WWE Attitude Era 2.0 Game over nWo'd

[SnakePlissken]

So here's the plan then nexus, I'll protect you tonight, we lynch Papums then you kill IaI and we see how he cards fall tomorrow,mules I'm being really stupid and you and Kuribo are the scum team?!

[kuribo]

Snake, you're forgetting I'm double confirmed by both dead cops, and now confirmed not SK

[Nexus]

So here's the plan then nexus, I'll protect you tonight, we lynch Papums then you kill IaI and we see how he cards fall tomorrow,mules I'm being really stupid and you and Kuribo are the scum team?!

I can go with that plan. Kuribo is NOT SCUM. Not one iota.

[kuribo]

It became pretty clear to me that Nexus was either scum or SK with: 1) his reaction toward Wrath, 2) his buddying to me, and then there's the fact that 3) he clearly knew I was BPtown even when Wrath kept calling me the SK

It wasn't until you claimed Lord Tenzei though that I put two and two together and figured out that it fit perfectly with the powerbomb kills, then you cemented it by asking Snake if he was assuming I was the SK.

[Nexus]

I'm just a bad player to be fair

[kuribo]

So Nexus, is Snake a town doc, or is he scum?

[kuribo]

Either Snake or IaI could be scum based on MoI yesterday:

MoI helped push IaI's guilty to save Snake and get Lance lynched
However, IaI's guilty saved Snake's ass

So both of them help saved Snake, because he was dead-to-rights, and wasn't even denying visiting the dead Yates.

[Nexus]

Scum. I think that Pappums is fo deffles scum and I think Snake is probably his mate. If we lynch Pappums today, we can test Snake's claim overnight, that way if he's telling the truth Town wins, if he's lying then you lynch him tomorrow.

Does a doc protect work if you shoot him?

Lynch Pappums today. I genuinely can't think of anything he's done this game, he's just faded into the background like a good scumbag.

[Nexus]

Is it at all possible that there's 1 NWO left and 1 Insiders? Like, the scumteams are 4 v 2 and then the SK? Or are you convinced that there's two scumbags left and they're both the same team? The Insiders power doesn't look that strong...

[pappums rat]

MOI saving Snake is more telling than anything IAI did, who claimed a guilty and scum was lynched because of it. MOI actively was trying to prevent Snake's lynch.

I would say that it is definately 2 NWO left, 4 vs 2 does not sound balanced at all to me.

Lynch Pappums today. I genuinely can't think of anything he's done this game, he's just faded into the background like a good scumbag.

Maybe that's because the last two days have been quicklynches and I have not had a chance to comment on what was going on. I was V/LA from Friday to Sunday the first day and the second day I got off one post before the quickhammer. The long nights havent helped either.

Nexus, what makes me scum? Can you point out anything that is scum motivated in my posting? You say I am defiantely scum and dont give any reasoning whatsoever.

I encourage everyone to go through my ISO, you will see based on my actions that I am town.

[SnakePlissken]

So your brilliant hypothesis is because MoI "Saved me" therefore I'm scum? Genius theory people. Ever heard of WIFOM? Text book.

Ever occurred he knew exactly what he was doing to get the towns Doctor lynched in end game? Seriously the only people who are seriously committed to lynching me are scum.

[kuribo]

Endgame? If there were three of them, he didn't have to worry about it. Had he lived the night, nWo would have won.

He was obviously trying to finish off the Insiders.

I'm not "committed" to lynching you, but I'm damn well not gonna just assume you're telling the truth.

[pappums rat]

No Snake, I was saying between their reasons given between who made more sense as scum between you and IAI, their reasoning on you made more sense. As I have said before, my main reason for thinking you are scum is that 2 faction cops makes sense, therefore IAI is town. That along with your scummy play throughout the game and the limited number of people left in the game, by process of elimination you are scum.

[I Am Innocent]

However, IaI's guilty saved Snake's ***

Actually, it saved Shotgun's butt. He had 3 votes in a row, led by an NWO MOI. Who else got on the wagon of the backup NWO cop prior to my investigation on Lance announcement:

Sawyer (Insider)
Snake (?)

Based on the information today as well as the info above, I actually think I am leaning towards Snake.

[I Am Innocent]

PS - Snake was also the 1st to follow me on the Lance wagon post investigation announcement. Pappums was no where to be found, which is not what I'd expect from NWO at that point.

[Nexus]

Pappums didn't post again after you claimed guilty on Lance....

[kuribo]

Is it at all possible that there's 1 NWO left and 1 Insiders? Like, the scumteams are 4 v 2 and then the SK? Or are you convinced that there's two scumbags left and they're both the same team? The Insiders power doesn't look that strong...

No Snake, I was saying between their reasons given between who made more sense as scum between you and IAI, their reasoning on you made more sense. As I have said before, my main reason for thinking you are scum is that 2 faction cops makes sense, therefore IAI is town. That along with your scummy play throughout the game and the limited number of people left in the game, by process of elimination you are scum.

2 faction cops make sense

2 faction cops AND a backup cop?

[kuribo]

Pappums didn't post again after you claimed guilty on Lance....

Right, because MoI quickhammered lance right after I voted

[I Am Innocent]

Thinking out loud for a minute

If it is 2 vs 2 vs 1, we either:

1) lynch the SK, NWO NKs town, game over NWO
2) lynch NWO, which allows for town to still have a chance to win
3) lynch town, which means NWO will shoot SK and SK will kill NWO and draw?

If it is 3 vs 1 vs 1, we
4) lynch SK, town NK'd, 2 vs 1 with a reasonable chance at a town win
5) lynch NWO, town dies at night, town lynches SK for the win
6) lynch town, same as #2 above

Assumptions: Kuribo is truly BP town, and Nexus is truly the SK.

That means to me that Pappums and Snake are both scum in 1, 2, and 3 above, or one of them is scum and the other town in 4, 5, and 6.

With 2 NWO cops and 1 Insiders cop + lack of night kills, call me crazy, but I wouldn't say it is impossible this is a 15 vs 3 vs 2 vs 1 setup. Esp if the 2 have stronger power roles (roleblocker + ? is already > neighborizer).

Since #1 has already been established as an auto loss, I think the SK is off limits today, but based on #5, I think if the next day starts with 3 players, SK should be auto lynched.

Kuribo has been investigated by both cops, and with a claimed SK, he is also off limits. If he is scum or some other 4th, 5th, whatever party member, hats off to him. I'll personally nominated him for a scummy.

Which means it is me, pappums or snake.

I think the 3 of us should vote first, the order decided by Kuribo, followed by the SK voting 4th, then Kuribo, if needed hammers.

If there are 2 NWO left, the 3 of our votes will not matter as the townie would be voting for NWO guaranteed based on the assumptions above. It isn't until the SK votes that a pile on would have to be worried about.

If there is 1 NWO left, then same issue. NWO's 1st chance to hammer is not until the SK votes. The key difference in this scenario is that town has a much better chance at winning by nailing the last NWO today and removing one of the NKs. That is secretly my hope, because all else feels like a long shot at anything better than a draw.

Please state whether you agree or disagree with the underlined plan above.

[pappums rat]

Is it at all possible that there's 1 NWO left and 1 Insiders? Like, the scumteams are 4 v 2 and then the SK? Or are you convinced that there's two scumbags left and they're both the same team? The Insiders power doesn't look that strong...

No Snake, I was saying between their reasons given between who made more sense as scum between you and IAI, their reasoning on you made more sense. As I have said before, my main reason for thinking you are scum is that 2 faction cops makes sense, therefore IAI is town. That along with your scummy play throughout the game and the limited number of people left in the game, by process of elimination you are scum.

2 faction cops make sense

2 faction cops AND a backup cop?

I cant wrap my head around the idea of there being one cop for the insiders and not one for the NWO, so yes. It just would not make any sense whatsoever balance-wise.

I dont know if I like IAI's plan, once the voting starts it's not like anyone can be prevented from voting, so the scum could quickhammer if it was advantageous to do so. And Im still not 100% convinced that SKkuribo and scumNexus aren't trying to pull off some sort of collaborative gambit with their claims to get a better antitown lynch then they could otherwise get. So I still need to think things over before I would agree to anything like that.

[kuribo]

I don't think lynching you requires your consent


you're also the only person still trying to pretend I could be SK, a necessary PoE position since you claim to have a townread on IaI.

[kuribo]

face it paps, you're gonna get strung, and your scum buddy will have to shoot nexus and hope that Nexus misses.

[Nexus]

Why the fuck would I lie about being a SK? More to the point, why the fuck would I go to the effort of making myself look like a vig?

[kuribo]

paps, have you roleclaimed yet?

Nexus, are you gonna try and kill nWo tonight, or do I have to worry about you killing town and getting myself endgamed when the nWo kills you? Or are we headed to 1v1v1 kingmaker?

[Nexus]

I don't know. My gut wants me to shoot Snake.