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Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:52 pm**

Also F16 if you could post that ffery meta thing soon, that'd be baller. I want to partially put on my big boy pants and develop a ffery read independent of Nacho.

(hi AP)

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:22 pm**

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:46 pm**

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Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:01 pm**

Holy crap. So many posts in my sleep. I'll catch up when I can.

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:07 pm**

plz stop prod dodging and do something useful.

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:18 pm**

I will. It's hard to keep up when 100 or so posts are made in my absence.

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:51 pm**

"Why did you make a post about weeds?"
"Go read your drunk posts."

Sorry sorry I know it's not content but cmon you guys definitely need to hear this stuff.

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:10 pm**

I am intimately acquainted with weeds. After 6 months of total neglect my gardens are a little shop of horrors.

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:05 pm**

Well this pagecount keeps going up fast. I'm contemplating shifting to a more stream of conscience method.

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:06 pm**

EBWOP: Because this is getting to be too long to catch up on.

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:20 pm**

↑ Murder of Crows wrote:
↑ F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
↑ Murder of Crows wrote:
VOTE: F-16

Town-you would NOT interact with me for that many pages and come away with such a shit read. A scumread, maybe. but not that one.

Condescending? Could not be further from the truth. I don't think I've ever interacted with you with less candor than I have since you joined this game.

I am not scumreading for being condescending.

I expect town-you to be plenty condescending and talk about how I'm a poor scumhunter. I don't expect town-you to expect me to read you correctly. You are pulling the same shit on me that Tammy did in Fantasy Camp "read me as town or else you are shit at reading me/are scum." It feels manipulative as fuck and designed to get me to back off.

Don't care. Pretty damn sure this is scum-you. A couple days ago I linked a post to AP where I thought you were hitting some notes that reminded me of the Serum and Steel game. I put it aside and tried to meet you half way because you were interacting with me, and interaction was what I desperately needed to get my head into this game.

This time, I think you believe I'm lynch-vulnerable. I am. And I hope to hell that my flip burns you and your team hard.

This was not the reaction I expected from scum-you. I still have concerns about the way you reacted to the wagon on D1. It felt like you posting a ton of analysis so as to look productive and pro-town but the analysis was so bare and not in-depth that I can't follow any of it and I feel that you tend toward minimalism as scum if you feel that you are caught.

Your interaction with me early game still feels weird. Why did you immediately ask me if why I was enquiring about you and Cabd when I replaced into the game? It read as an extremely defensive response to a simple question.

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:23 pm**

What seemed similar in my play here vs Serum and Steel?

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:24 pm**

No meta post and Nacho is awake, so I guess my big boy pants stay around my ankles.

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:26 pm**

I've outlined my meta concerns in my previous post but I'm nowhere near as sure I was before based on the response so probably not going to do a case at this point. I think it would take Ffery having improved her scumgame by a mile to 1v1 with me in response to my suspicion.

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:28 pm**

↑ Murder of Crows wrote:Don't care. Pretty damn sure this is scum-you. A couple days ago I linked a post to AP where I thought you were hitting some notes that reminded me of the Serum and Steel game. I put it aside and tried to meet you half way because you were interacting with me, and interaction was what I desperately needed to get my head into this game.

This time, I think you believe I'm lynch-vulnerable. I am. And I hope to hell that my flip burns you and your team hard.

This specifically. The passion and fire in this post is beyond what I've seen from scum-Ffery.

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:34 pm**

↑ F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
↑ Murder of Crows wrote:
↑ F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
↑ Murder of Crows wrote:
VOTE: F-16

Town-you would NOT interact with me for that many pages and come away with such a shit read. A scumread, maybe. but not that one.

Condescending? Could not be further from the truth. I don't think I've ever interacted with you with less candor than I have since you joined this game.

I am not scumreading for being condescending.

I expect town-you to be plenty condescending and talk about how I'm a poor scumhunter. I don't expect town-you to expect me to read you correctly. You are pulling the same shit on me that Tammy did in Fantasy Camp "read me as town or else you are shit at reading me/are scum." It feels manipulative as fuck and designed to get me to back off.

Don't care. Pretty damn sure this is scum-you. A couple days ago I linked a post to AP where I thought you were hitting some notes that reminded me of the Serum and Steel game. I put it aside and tried to meet you half way because you were interacting with me, and interaction was what I desperately needed to get my head into this game.

This time, I think you believe I'm lynch-vulnerable. I am. And I hope to hell that my flip burns you and your team hard.

This was not the reaction I expected from scum-you. I still have concerns about the way you reacted to the wagon on D1. It felt like you posting a ton of analysis so as to look productive and pro-town but the analysis was so bare and not in-depth that I can't follow any of it and I feel that you tend toward minimalism as scum if you feel that you are caught.

Your interaction with me early game still feels weird. Why did you immediately ask me if why I was enquiring about you and Cabd when I replaced into the game? It read as an extremely defensive response to a simple question.

Because it seemed like an odd thing for you to focus on. You said you weren't caught up, but my interaction with Cabd was the first (and at the time only) thing you asked about. There was the nolynch. There was the reaction to boonskii's action claim. And there were dozens of other little things.

Your flippant, condescending (there's that word) reply was what reminded me of Serum and Steel.

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:44 pm**

Why do you believe what's interesting or important to you should align with what is interesting to me?

There was no condescension coming from my side.

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:27 pm**

Also, if you are so sure I'm scum, why aren't you trying to convince anyone about it?

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:44 pm**

↑ F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Cabd-Ffery sorting dances are one of the more entertaining ones to watch (you should make it pay per view), and I found it to be the most interesting thing in the game so far.

What struck me was Cabd didn't seem enthusiastic so I was surprised to see a town read coming out of it. I don't really understand what you mean by "tonal content" and "how vulnerable would scum-Cabd make his strategy with weak presence early on?"

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:48 pm**

That was supposed to be joke. Perhaps I'm not as funny as I think but I'm lost as to how in the world you read that as condescending.

And are you actually claiming that I'm scum because I'm condescending (by your definition) and I'm scum for calling you scum for being condescending (which I wasn't, but you misunderstood it and concluded that I was scum)?

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:49 pm**

It immediately reminded me of this post from Serum and Steel.

I'm not even sure why it made me think of that post, aside from the sense of condescension I got from it.

That S&S post was also on my mind in the FF10 game, and was the reason I said something about mutual disrespect possibly having something to do with our not doing much with our common ground in games.

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:56 pm**

↑ F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:That was supposed to be joke. Perhaps I'm not as funny as I think but I'm lost as to how in the world you read that as condescending.

And are you actually claiming that I'm scum because I'm condescending (by your definition) and I'm scum for calling you scum for being condescending (which I wasn't, but you misunderstood it and concluded that I was scum)?

No, it's not based on hypocrisy if that's what you're asking.

I'm not pushing it, not yet, anyway, because I'm rolling it around in my head. I don't like that it was a reactive thing, but a bunch of niggles crystalized all at once when I saw where you were heading. I expected that interacting with me, especially when I was being way more candid than I usually am about what's running through my head, wouldn't have solidified a scumread.

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:00 pm**

↑ F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:There is too little condecsension and too much OMGUS but I'll elaborate in a bit. Would like Nacho to explain the townread and I'd also like Anti to explain it considering her reaction to his push on her in Serum and Steel was way, way, way different.

i don't remember it being way way different

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:03 pm**

↑ Antihero wrote:
↑ F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:There is too little condecsension and too much OMGUS but I'll elaborate in a bit. Would like Nacho to explain the townread and I'd also like Anti to explain it considering her reaction to his push on her in Serum and Steel was way, way, way different.

i don't remember it being way way different

The biggest difference I saw was that Ffery upon being pushed as town normally goes into observation mode making remarks about the gamestate. Whereas when scum, she puts emphasis on posting analysis/reads to talk her way out of it and as a last resort cuts down on her interactions with other players. What similarities did you find here vs Serum and Steel?

Posted: **Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:04 pm**

i don't rely on meta

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