Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Gamma Emerald]

Wonder if Gamma will be on the "Pro-Elsa" side or the "Anti-Elsa" side.

At the very least, we get another active member in the discussion. New voice and all that jazz.

This is a fun thing to walk in on

[ruru]

votecount

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

NicoRobin (4):	Malakittens (1191),	Reasonably Rational (1200),	Flicker (1207),	TPFKAP (1274),
TPFKAP (3):	BuJaber (1258),	Elsa Jay (1266),	Thor665 (1275),
Thor665 (3):	Jingle (1295),	CheekyTeeky (1328),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (1329),
Flicker (2):	northsidegal (153),	Chickadee (1241),
Reasonably Rational (1):	NicoRobin (473),
Elsa Jay (1):	Toogeloo (729),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Chara (776),
BuJaber (1):	Skygazer (881),
Not voting (1):	Gamma Emerald,

(expired on 2018-10-16 02:00:00) remain.

[Toogeloo]

I think Drixx mentioned this, but I believe you were present in Heroes Wanted, though I was dead and flipped by the time you joined. Were you in that game during D2? And/or did you read D2, and come away with the impression that tryharding is out of character for me?

I replaced in Day 3, and I didn't read anything in that game except one player's iso (the lynched scum). That game had too much noise and far too many posts to reasonably expect any replacement to read.

I'd like more details on why you view what I said as overanalysis. You're familiar with RC, yes? Is anything RC does something that should ever be accepted at face value, or analyzed minimally?

I am familiar with RC. More importantly though, there are certain aspects of RVS that I almost immediately do not think are worth over analyzing since I know they can just as easily be there for conversation starting purposes, and many players do it that make it NAI.

Why is this post minimizing the reasoning you gave for the vote? Previously you had expressed a (singular) specific reason, but now you've changed it to a vague statement. What were you trying to accomplish here by downplaying your own reasoning, while downplaying everyone else's even more?

My gut said scum, I tried to simplify the reasoning.

The last couple all go together. At least, the Elsa Jay part. Why are you pushing for their lynch today so hard, if you agree that mechanically lynching them at any point in the game is the same? It feels like you have the same reasoning as Jingle, but instead of arriving at their conclusion that Elsa has to be lynched at some time prior to LYLO, you decided they need to be lynched NOW. I don't understand how the two of you applied the same logic and arrived at such different conclusions.

Can you elaborate on NDS and Bujaber scumreads?

Scum is scum. Elsa presented herself on a silver platter on the only day in the game where we have the complete luxury of taking them out with practically no recourse. This opportunity will not present itself again and becomes a double edge sword if we start to fall behind. Tomorrow, night information or analysis of kills will put her lower on the "to lynch" list, and if town fails to kill mafia within the first two lynches or so, we won't even have the ability to lynch Elsa anymore because it will become even more imperative to lynch mafia.

Elsa does not share the same wincon, and even though it's a bit drastic of a comparison, you wouldn't leash a serial killer just to get them to maybe shoot some mafia.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I tried.

Anyway, voting up a dude who claimed to be in a Masonry?

Now admittedly, because this is (probably) Multiball he COULD theoretically be scum. But voting him?

VOTE: Malakittens

Obviously you COULD be joking, but this seems like a decent start.

lets be real. rc is prob joking

why so serious?

I don’t like this response

[Elsa Jay]

Jesus, have you not even read a single post of mine, Too?

Are you ignoring all my thoughts and contributions?

Why the damn hate boner to lynch a survivor.

Holy fuck.

[Gamma Emerald]

Jesus, have you not even read a single post of mine, Too?

Are you ignoring all my thoughts and contributions?

Why the damn hate boner to lynch a survivor.

Holy fuck.

Oh I see what the deal is here
Yeah no for now I’m pro-Elsa. If the game goes poorly Elsa will need to die but for now he gets to live

[Jingle]

Elsa does not share the same wincon, and even though it's a bit drastic of a comparison, you wouldn't leash a serial killer just to get them to maybe shoot some mafia.

This, btw, is provably false wrt me at least. I recently finished a game where town won because a leashed sk shot 3/4 of the scumteam.

If a 3rd party is going to work with town, I'm all for letting them be another town voice for as long as possible. The only caveat is that they have an expiration date. Either way, there's not enough support to get that lynch today, so it might be worth your time to work on your other suspects or convince people on your townreads.

[Jingle]

My mental notes escape me atm, but I think I had...
Elsa Kay
Nancy Drew Toranaganate
BoogerJabber
...as scum reads.

I'm struggling to keep up with the pace since I'm on business in DC right now (and another week more). Hopefully I'll be dead after Night 1 though, so it wont be much an issue.

Color me intrigued. Tell me more about the two whom are not Elsa and less about the one that is and I'd be happy to spend some time engaging you. As it is, it feels like you're beating a dead horse.

[BuJaber]

I find it strange that you persist in maintaining this position when I've been rather quiet the last 48 hours or so. Why aren't you suspicious of me, if that early play is, as you said, excessively exhausting? I would expect someone who believes that to expect us to slow down if scum, which is something we've done.

Well if you

were

doing it just for the towncred then it doesn't make sense for you to stop doing it and risk losing one of the very few people you've potentially pocketed (me). So actually this gives my townread more credibility, not less.

[BuJaber]

I think someone asked what info can be gained from lynching Elsa.

People can still have stances on other reads and lynch the claimed scum, plus night brings in a lot of information as well which almost always substantiates previous positions or opens new avenues of discussion.

The game is designed to try and prevent swing, but that doesnt mean it isnt possible, and if town loses too many members before scum loses even one, Elsa automatically becomes a non facto member of the scum team. Lynching her later in the game is still a mislynch in the eyes of the mafia team.

Sure we'd have his reads. But they wouldn't mean anything. It would be the same information wise as knowingly mislynching townie. We wouldn't get any associative reads to work with.

I agree Elsa does not make it to end game, but now is not the time to kill him.

+1

Chick, very likely town here.

Toog, probably unintentional scumsiding town. Lol

Why? Why not just straight up scum? Why go for the complicated answer instead of the simple one?

[Jingle]

Snip.

Other than the not-a-townslip that we resolved, the reads being specifically on who they were on (RC, CT, Tora) doesn't particularly strike me as scum trying not to ruffle feathers. The NR vote seems more like doesn't give a shit than optimistic (NAI) and the beetlejuicing seems more snippy than concerned, which makes that less likely to be of alignment significance imo.

On the other hand, NR strikes me as aggressively doing fuckall, especially given that she appears to be posting once every other day. I'm totes down to drown that in a fire, pending a meta dive to determine if that is a town or scum indicative move. You know, after I'm done hitting beehives with a stick to see if anything tasty drops out.

Voting RR right now seems like a waste of both of our time. The wagon died, and I don't particularly want it back at the moment, despite the use it had a few days ago. I've seen what RR does under pressure this game, and now I want to let them have their space and see how that changes the things. I'll get back to you if I decide resurrecting the dead wagon is useful, but I'm quite satisfied with the three wagons we have at the moment for now.

Speaking of which, what do you think of the votes on you? What are your experience levels with the CT and the members of the Shogunate, or possibly more relevant their experience levels with you?

[Jingle]

Whoever is out there engage with me and direct my attention where you desire. I'm also going to be poking Drixx to see if I can get a short version of his thoughts on the game state, since he told me he had caught up with the game.

Hmm. I don't have a list of people I'd like you to poke, but I do have a list of people I'm planning on poking/don't care about at the moment. If you can make the NotPorkens or the NR make more wordnoises, it would be appreciated. If you're not a witch and limited to reasonable requests, I'd enjoy attempts to sort/draw content from/elaborations about anyone not on the following list:


Toogaloogaloog
Elsa
GEmerald
Thor
Cheeky
Toraganate
Skygazer
TPFKAP
NR
Chara
Chick

If you could pick two of the not them players, and then talk about them I'd be

Feel free to talk about me. I love hearing about me.

[Jingle]

Mala I would love to hear about the relevance of TPFKAP's identity as Porkens.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Tor what happened to your scumread on Mala?

Did you answer this?

Tora said he thinks Mala might be masons with RC/Chara because he thinks they or RC softclaimed it or something.

Hopefully he will elaborate further on this.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Elsa does not share the same wincon, and even though it's a bit drastic of a comparison, you wouldn't leash a serial killer just to get them to maybe shoot some mafia.

This, btw, is provably false wrt me at least. I recently finished a game where town won because a leashed sk shot 3/4 of the scumteam.

If a 3rd party is going to work with town, I'm all for letting them be another town voice for as long as possible. The only caveat is that they have an expiration date. Either way, there's not enough support to get that lynch today, so it might be worth your time to work on your other suspects or convince people on your townreads.

+1

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

I think someone asked what info can be gained from lynching Elsa.

People can still have stances on other reads and lynch the claimed scum, plus night brings in a lot of information as well which almost always substantiates previous positions or opens new avenues of discussion.

The game is designed to try and prevent swing, but that doesnt mean it isnt possible, and if town loses too many members before scum loses even one, Elsa automatically becomes a non facto member of the scum team. Lynching her later in the game is still a mislynch in the eyes of the mafia team.

Sure we'd have his reads. But they wouldn't mean anything. It would be the same information wise as knowingly mislynching townie. We wouldn't get any associative reads to work with.

I agree Elsa does not make it to end game, but now is not the time to kill him.

+1

Chick, very likely town here.

Toog, probably unintentional scumsiding town. Lol

Why? Why not just straight up scum? Why go for the complicated answer instead of the simple one?

Oh because of meta. He got mislynched in Heroes for similar anti-town behaviour but sure, he could still possibly be scum here. I think that keeping EJ alive rn is good for town, because she has bp and is unlikely to be NKed, unlike say a town doc, so town has potentially a unique weapon in Elsa, to influence the NK.

[Chara]

i'm also pro-Elsa. if nothing else because policy lynching him sounds very boring.
but also because i think he's much more likely 3p than scum.
there's also some very minor mod meta at play here but i'm not sure if that would be relevant or not. it makes me think i definitrly don't want ro lynch her day 1, however.

and, i'm really sorry for my lack of contribution. the one day i did have time to read and post, i was unable to due to an IP issue, and now i've been working all weekend with about 4 hours of sleep a night.

i'm here tonight, though.

[BuJaber]

Mala I would love to hear about the relevance of TPFKAP's identity as Porkens.

I don't think it's AI or anything but I really like this question and would also like answer.

[BuJaber]

@chara - how well do you know RC? How well do you know Tora? What do you think of my reads on Tora and your slot?

[BuJaber]

Toogaloogaloog
Elsa
GEmerald
Thor
Cheeky
Toraganate
Skygazer
TPFKAP
NR
Chara
Chick

Does this mean you think all of these are townies? Or are these all the non-null reads?

[CheekyTeeky]

I do have a list of people I'm planning on poking/don't care about at the moment.

@BuJaber

Hoping I'm a "don't care about" read.

[BuJaber]

Yes but he's saying he wants to hear about/wants RR to poke people NOT on that list. It implies that if you're on the list he's sorted you already.

It's a very strange post if you ask me. It's oddly specific yet very vague at the same time and reading it actually tells me nothing about where his reads lie. It's literally just a list of some of the players.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Tor what happened to your scumread on Mala?

Did you answer this?

no

both mala and RC are talking about each other as if they know the other is town. I think mala said RC was town for ~reasons the last time she spoke about him, and RC had mala as top town for no reason. so there's a mason softclaim there between the two and it's not something I wanna poke today.

-tor

[Chickadee]

sorry guys, I'm working a 9 hour shift today and am gonna feel pretty dead when I get home. I'll try to be around a bit tonight

[Gamma Emerald]

where's rule #9?

Why ask at this point
Feels a little staged