Mini 2084: Pokemon Ruby Mafia - Game Over

[Pink Ball]

But ofrhz voted me and I think that comes from town!ofrhz

Why?

Consistency instead of starting an easier wagon or jumping on an oportunistic one. She's not under the radar, so I don't think that voting me is an attempt to do that or to avoid conflict.

[Menalque]

I don’t think menalque is just making up meta. A couple of cinnamons posts do seem like busywork. Cinnamon asking Tim for his townreads is a pretty general/vague question whereas cinn seems to only have asked questions about a specific player in his completed town games.

As in, I don’t see why you think “he started with a conclusion and found reasoning afterwards” in his cinn case. Can you explain that klick?

I don't think Menalque's reasoning is entirely fabricated, but I think the many things he quoted in evidence against CinnaGamma aren't the reasons he's pushing the slot. He replaced in and immediately scumread Cinnamon, and I doubt he had all those reasons in mind when he started scumreading him. Basically he seems to have confirmation bias, except he shouldn't have confirmation by any means.

I read the game before I read my role pm and cinn pinged me hard

So I may not have had the exact clarity on the ways in which he was pinging me when I did that intial readthrough but I think everything that I included in my case and elaborated on was the stuff pinging me

Also there was some stuff I couldn’t talk about when I joined bc ongoing games

[Gamma Emerald]

It's like people don't understand that replacements catchup posts should not be over analyzed as scum or town. They have an advantage of no interactions and they can pick and choose what to talk about and be somewhat honest about old posts.

I both agree with this and think there was merit to pushing a narrative that Gamma was towny to encourage that level of contribution from others yesterday. Regardless of actual alignment I think Gamma's early posts were pro-town.
But now that I'm finished reading into Gamma's ISO I'm left feeling almost entirely null about him, which surprises me.

Okay no this looks like scum trying to find an excuse to walk back their town read on me
VOTE: Klick

I also recently came around to scumreading your slot, but you didn’t mention that in your catchup. Can you talk about why you treated my slot differently from Klick’s?

Because I didn't feel your progression was unnatural.

[Gamma Emerald]

That's a pretty bad entrance?

Also I spoke to cinnamon unrelated to this game and he had a family member in the hospital; you're kind of pushy about this Cinnamon didn't siteflake thing.

But he didn’t though? Didn’t know about the family in hospital thing and I’m sorry to hear it but doesn’t change the fact that he didn’t

Yeah you're coming off as irl scum so really back this the fuck up

I’ve played with Cinn before and there’s no way that slot is town lol

Where did I say “Cinn never does C as town”? I’m saying that I think Cinn was playing completely out of character here from what I know of him, and I’ve read some of his meta and think it seems off for that too

The whole family thing does throw me off a bit, but I also think it makes total sense for Gamma to come in and try to be as obv town as possible as the cinn!slot was getting somewhat scumread when he entered the game

So Cinnamon playing out of character is enough to call him obvscum, but you say to not judge you off your own obvtown game you had? Not buying it.
VOTE: Menalque

Did Menalque post that case at all, if not at this point he should probably be lynched

Also I just realized Mena flat out lied in his wall about me

Also yeah, my bad on the not voting PB thing

If you think that’s scum!indicative tho then lmao

No way scum!me outright lies in a wallpost about something that obvious to disprove, esp not when scum are already gunning for my lynch

Oh I missed this

As evidenced by me not having my vote on you, I didn't regard it as a reason to lockscum you

because I'd already concluded it was also very possible you were tunneled town. However the last line of the quoted post has me confused as to your mindset, as you are arguing scum are pushing scum!you in that scenario.

Looks like you had me pretty much lock!scum here I’m coming from

I did not explicitly say that and I was not ever thinking that. Honestly I'm around nullscum on you rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Also yeah, my bad on the not voting PB thing

If you think that’s scum!indicative tho then lmao

No way scum!me outright lies in a wallpost about something that obvious to disprove, esp not when scum are already gunning for my lynch

Oh I missed this
As evidenced by me not having my vote on you, I didn't regard it as a reason to lockscum you because I'd already concluded it was also very possible you were tunneled town. However the last line of the quoted post has me confused as to your mindset, as you are arguing scum are pushing scum!you in that scenario.

Yeah, now I think about this it doesn’t make sense

The basic thought was that it makes no sense for scum!me to lie because you’re already gunning for my lynch and that would give you something else to push on

And as I think you’re scum it would be bad for me to give you more ammo

But obv it doesn’t make sense that we’re scum together

So it makes no sense for scum!me to do it because in a world where you’re town it makes me more likely to be lynched, and it makes no sense for town!me to do it bc why would I?

So either way it’s NAI

Cool, thanks for explaining that, I definitely like how you're not stonewalling up against me

[Gamma Emerald]

It's like people don't understand that replacements catchup posts should not be over analyzed as scum or town. They have an advantage of no interactions and they can pick and choose what to talk about and be somewhat honest about old posts.

I both agree with this and think there was merit to pushing a narrative that Gamma was towny to encourage that level of contribution from others yesterday. Regardless of actual alignment I think Gamma's early posts were pro-town.
But now that I'm finished reading into Gamma's ISO I'm left feeling almost entirely null about him, which surprises me.

Okay no this looks like scum trying to find an excuse to walk back their town read on me
VOTE: Klick

Why did you just walk back your townread on me?

Because the point about "hoping to encourage contribution" reads as an excuse meant to exonerate yourself of any previous town feelings on me.

[Klick]

There's not much I can say to that other than that's actually where my mind has been irt you. It's a thought process backed up by this post:

Gamma is unlikely to get lynched today for very similar reasons to why you said it's a bad idea to lynch the potential scum in your town pool. Gamma's contributed a strong amount so far, and if he's town and gets lynched today we'd lose an important voice.

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess I see that but it still feels shady
VOTE: RedPanda

[RedPanda]

Spoiler: formenalque

I'm officially making this wagon a serious deal:

VOTE: Klick

There:

VOTE: Detective Pikachu

I'm officially making this wagon a serious deal:

VOTE: Klick

There:

VOTE: Detective Pikachu

So much for making the Klick wagon a serious deal. Why swap?

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

LUV is another town

RedPanda's iso feels pretty bad and like he's trying to be townread for his 'moving the game forwardness'

I'm frequently trying to be townread for moving the game forward









as town

Ceejay / URAP isos are toxic waste.
Creature is missing some zest and hasn't been approaching this quite like I expect him to as scum.
I'm still diffident about Detective Pikachu.
LUVs's iso feels pretty bad.
RedPanda's iso feels pretty bad and like he's trying to be townread for his 'moving the game forwardness'
PB ???
Chemist also leaning scum to at least some extent.

It's either town trying to move the game forward or scum trying to get townread for it which is why I said it's not alignment indicative and to read me based on how i'm hunting scum.

Still think RedPanda is town.

Yeah Gamma is town. One less to determine

Tim is town too, good to know

Oh and Espresso Patronum too. 3 solid townreads, that's great for actually doing nothing. I think I can get 3-4 if I get started

Suddenly getting three confident townreads then going stationary is so newscum!me.

Creature, what are your thoughts on PB/URAP2/Chemist1422?

Pink Ball is probably my less confident scumread.

URAP2 and Chemist both look pretty meh, though if they're both scum, I'd expect a more active third scum.

What do you think of me Other Kirby?

You're adorable

Pink Ball is now 100% conf-town!!

This interaction looks awkward TvS

His posting in day1 felt towny to me but these are the posts that pinged town for me.

[RedPanda]

Also I think scumcreature wouldn't risk losing control of town by defending gamma.

[RedPanda]

Actually now that I typed it out, I'm not 100% sure about that last post so disregard it.

[RedPanda]

Gamma came in strong when he replaced in and now it feels like he's completely shut down.

[RedPanda]

Which is funny bc apart from being way off base on me and FB I could conceivably see it being DP and creature w/ gamma

DP is town check post 746 750.

It's gamma pine and maybe klick or chemist.

I'm sort of confident about pine but I'm all over the place about klick and chemist so don't take that read into account anymore.

[Pine]

Done got prodded.

I've been trying to keep up and have largely been failing. Unfortunately, the last ~10 days has been the toughest of the year for me, as we train 70 staff members and get ready for the summer camp season. Now that it's actually started, I'll still be hella busy, but I'll have a more regular schedule and can set aside time every day.

I could just dump my overnight catchup post and call it a day, but what I've seen so far D2 has made me question some of those reads. I will have more time this afternoon to update that catchup and give you the Pine you deserve.

This game has my highest priority, as I haven't been fair to it.

[Klick]

I for one would love to see what you have right now, even if you disagree with it in hindsight.

[Micc]

Votecount 2.03

Gamma Emerald (4) -

Menalque, RedPanda, Chemist1422, EspressoPatronum

Chemist1422 (2) -

Pink Ball, Detective Pikachu

Pink Ball (1) -

ofrhz

Menalque (1) -

Creature

RedPanda (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (2) -

Pine, Klick

With 11 players alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2019-07-19 09:05:00).

[Gamma Emerald]

I for one would love to see what you have right now, even if you disagree with it in hindsight.

Same

[EspressoPatronum]

I for one would love to see what you have right now, even if you disagree with it in hindsight.

Agreed. I've been asking people not to post their reads on you yet in an effort to not taint your catchup post. It'd be more informative if you post what you have right now, then follow up with why you think differently.

[Creature]

I'm back to take back what's mine.

[Creature]

wow gamma

wow

[Creature]

I'm somewhat agitated today, so forgive me

[Creature]

Apparently I'm not feeling hype, I'm feeling sad

[EspressoPatronum]

Apparently I'm not feeling hype, I'm feeling sad

I'm sorry to hear that. You okay?

[Detective Pikachu]

Gamma if you're town why should I be townreading you?

[Gamma Emerald]

I really don't know, I tried to be helpful but I feel like I'm close to scum!me rn