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whats "BoP" mean

also pls point out what posts from me struck you as slightly scummy.

In post 1375, skitter30 wrote:

vla for a couple of days

@emps - wiki burden of proficiency.

In post 1377, teacher wrote:

In post 1375, skitter30 wrote:

vla for a couple of days

can we get an extension so that the day phase doesn’t entirely consist of replacing sushi and a weekend? Monday-ish?

^ please

Dealing with something irl, won't be able to be here until after my weekend vla (late tomorrow night), apologies

In post 1376, emps wrote:whats "BoP" mean

also pls point out what posts from me struck you as slightly scummy.

Burden of Proficiency is the concept that a strong player, known to have good reads when playing town, who has scumread a townie or townread a scum, cannot have inaccuracy or ineptitude attributed as a cause of their misread, and therefore need a different cause for their misread, which is that the player is scum. It's an element of the game that can't be extricated (except if you were to play anonymous mafia which has logistical issues) yet is a little infamous/undesirable. Sort of like intentional walks in baseball, the fans hate it, the sluggers hate it, but you gotta do it.

I actually know very little of skitter's meta though so it's a less offensive variant here. I think she was in that Boon game with me, but maybe that was skygazer, those feminine "sk" words, they give me a hard time.

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emps: Not a lot of change. I hated that "Menalque seems to be trying convince teacher that teacher is scum instead of convincing us that teacher is scum" was glaringly resonant.
Selynee: Seemed mostly like more of the same, I feel pretty happy betting the game on this slot being green and watching the LyLo participants do the same if it comes to that.
skitter30: Maybe she is townier in some parallel universes where she WKs Menalque day2, but I'm not sure I have parallel universes where I WK Menalque day2. With the fiery 1v1 that consumed the whole day kind of everyone gets a pass on accomplishing things day2 or not. Do you guys really have to swear so much?
skitter is one of the slots I could sequencing the mason kills in the order they had. The newbie philosophy going into N1 would be, shoot the player with more experience. The pro philosophy going into N1 would be, shoot the active player. Suffocate the canary in the coal mine. Create a hellscape which favors the mafia. Stage selection is the first attack of the battle. You'll damage the collective performance of the several experienced players so much more than simply gunning one of them directly.
teacher: teacher made several mostly-convincing "circumstantial alibis" about his positioning over the course of the game.
Menalque is 100% sure this player is scum. But I deadsheep ideas, not players, and I never really saw Menalque develop the reasons I am supposed to be scumreading Menalque. His skitter case, which he promised to restate then refused to restate for no ingame advantage, at least had some points to it.
The three components to VT are identifying the scum, persuading others to identify the scum you've identified, and [smalltext]looking town[smalltext]. Was really missing number 2 from him this game. Appealing to a fear that I will lose the game if I don't do a particular lynch is not reasoning or even a farcical parody of one, unless you ever get into one of those metas where players decide they'd be okay losing to player A but not okay losing to player B which is (this word should be reserved for when it's appropriate) disgusting.
Selfhammering really robbed this town of a lot of benefit.
teacher's reaction to the self-hammer and his attitude towards should-be-cleared twilight Menalque seemed off for a town teacher, but I'm not upset enough with it to outbalance the other things the slot has done this game, so he's one rank above being in the lynchpool for me.
Hectic: Oh, wow, apparently Hectic has two posts.
There's nothing wrong etiquette/sportsmanshipwise with claiming "town goon' in your first post for lols, but when that's the only backdrop for his bizarre replace-out post that's even more upsetting.

In post 1376, emps wrote:also pls point out what posts from me struck you as slightly scummy.

Getting to this in a minute and I appreciate you keeping it docketed

In post 51, emps wrote:

In post 10, Farkran wrote:

In post 9, Selynee wrote:Why do you think I'm targeting you? What do you think of Menalque vote?

With no investigations available so far, and not knowing any player from previous games, i'd say both votes are for the sake of information fishing. It's ok, but i'd rather hear some reasoning first. I am personally voting you for picking me, i could have voted Menalque for randomly voting a different player, but you have chosen me.

why are you against getting information from you? if ur town, its good because we find out//think you are town. if ur scum, its bad cuz we find out/think ur scum. why exactly are you against them getting information from you?

sry this is probs worded terribly but i think u know what i mean

Farkran is essentially bemoaning the low-information stage of the game. That should be resonant to emps. Instead, emps criticizes Farkfran for bemoaning a >0 information phase of the game, and recharacterizes a stronger stance against it than Farkran actually took.

In post 86, emps wrote:i dunno farkran could be lynchbaity town

some newbs just are

This post had no town-aligned incentives whatsoever, as Farkran is not even at L-3 yet. What's the motivation behind the post? It doesn't help him sort Farkran, it doesn't prevent a Farkran mislynch. The only goal is to suggest low culpability for a D-1 Farkran mislynch. Scum would like for there to be about 9 slots that could be lynched with low culpability, ideally.
It'd read better as town paranoia if Farkran was in any danger.

In post 108, emps wrote:no, at

least

not till everyone has checked in.

In post 109, Menalque wrote:Why does that matter?

In post 111, Menalque wrote:Oh, I see you

Saving it for that juicy, juicy hammer are you

In post 113, Menalque wrote:Everyone has checked in tho

In post 115, emps wrote:oh everyone has?

In post 116, emps wrote:wow everyone has checked in on pg 5 of a newbie is this some sort or record

we had no siteflakers!!! (Yet)

In post 117, emps wrote:VOTE: [farkran/v]

Emphasis mine.
This exchange looks really bad.
emps: We're not at a point in the gamestate where an L-1 is a good idea, that's my feeling right now. One correlated indicator, not all players have checked in. (the use of the word "at least" suggests this paraphrase is accurate. "I'll vote once everyone checks in" is different")
Menalque: Everyone has checked in.
emps: Ok, literally nothing has happened to the gamestate except this exchange, but my feeling that it's too early in the gamestate mysteriously vanished, now I'm voting.

The technicality of whether every user has ego posted is clearly not the key measure of whether there's enough progress for an L-1. Emps had his own measure of that that hinges on several factors, and I think that part is NAI, I think both emps don't L-1 here. But I think only scum!emp is overly conscious of Menalque's eyes on him about whether he'd vote, and he uses technical point as an excuse when his -feelings- on an L-1 shouldn't have changed at all.

In post 147, emps wrote:"yeah i see you fake hammering and trying to get me to scumclaim if im scum so basicaly doing town shit, also i dont tr u as hard anymore"

This post is so devoid of empathy and so interested in being technically correct instead of sorting Farkran. emps shouldn't be expecting a no-avi player to work out on their own that the fakehammer was protown. But he's trying to hit his quota of being "right" in the thread enough time by posting a characterization of the fake hammer that all the experienced players echo.

In post 152, emps wrote:idk farks logic is very backwards and weird to me i dont see how they arrive to those conclusions

An illogical unfollowable player should be a nullread, not a slot you comfortably L-1. This again makes Menalque egging him up to L-1 concerning. We all know the possibility of a lolhammer is real in this queue.

In post 176, emps wrote:also fark, why do ur reads changed based off of ppls read on u?

Like the previous quote's -actual- intent, emp is doing so much indicting instead of sorting, at such an early phase of the game. It's a stark contrast to Selynee's previous post about Fark's inexplicable NMSA townread, where Selynee is seeking to understand Fark and sort him. emps just wants him incriminated enough to die starting as early as when he decided Fark was "scum that could be lynchbaity town".

In post 193, emps wrote:what do you guys think of farks reads being reactive to everyone elses reads on them?

Again.. indictive questioning.. Which would be much more fine if emps sold us on the point that Farkran was confscum, in that case, convincing everyone would be his wincon as town.
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The extent to which he asked for the L-1+intent claim more times and more consistently leans scum for me, although town could get frustrated by it too.


Most stuff after that (much of which is in the pages 1-30 range) is closer to null rather than scummy for emps.

I'm not sure whether I find emps or skitter scummier. I'm hoping I don't actually end up having to choose for the multitude of reasons I may not.

Pops I’m appreciating your rep in and takes, but your slot is pretty irredeemable for me (at least) so I’d love your help sorting btw emps and Skitter. I think emps has a couple posts that are pretty unlikely to come from scum!him, like locktowning me on page 36 after a mason claim. Like he couldn’t foresee Menalques flip against me, and that seems anti-wincon to creste a third hard town when you know for a fact that it’s going to be 6v1 with two confirmable masons already. That seemed genuine and not pockety.

That solidity, v. Skitters fence sitting on both me and emps, is why my solve is you>skit. I agree with you on Selynee and would lose the game there pleasurably.

Pedit: wrote this before the wall but not going to try to react to the wall before posting.

NOOOO THE ONE THING I DON'T WANT TO DO

In post 1370, teacher wrote:. Like I still think if people’s solce is sushi>me it should be me today. .

Could you explain why this is a thing, teacher?

Because I don’t think I could win a 1v1 v skitter whereas I think your slot could be redeemed. I think your slot surviving til tomorrow (and it would) would be better than my slot surviving (and it would), because I think people’s views on your slot are less defined/hard.

(I.e., that positioning is based on the assumption we are both town; if that is peoples solve, it is optimal from town!me’s perspective to have you survive).

How come you don't believe in yourself and your ability to slander skitter 1v1 in the Thunderdome

I think my brain says emps but my heart says skitter

My problems with emps seem less compelling once they're written down, my problems with skitter seem more compelling once they're written down.

Don't really see any benefit from scum!teacher to pretend he doesn't know Mena was town after the self-vote and continue that whole conversation. Think it would have been easier to say "sorry, my bad I was really wrong" and bring up that he wasn't the only person who wanted him lynched.

Also, once the whole Fark being killed first to frame teacher was aired, it sort of became too confused to try to read (IMO).

Well, I'm not reading that heavily into it and it's kind of irrelevant, if I get to see 2 lynches I like happen this game teacher's rarely one of them and if I'm only getting one it's never teacher.

last scum for me is in pops/teacher/skitter

i dunno if i can sort skitter/teacher tbh...

i should probs meta teacher and skitter...

In post 1379, skitter30 wrote:

In post 1377, teacher wrote:

In post 1375, skitter30 wrote:

vla for a couple of days

can we get an extension so that the day phase doesn’t entirely consist of replacing sushi and a weekend? Monday-ish?

^ please

Dealing with something irl, won't be able to be here until after my weekend vla (late tomorrow night), apologies

On a human:outside of game level, best wishes. You’re one of my favorites and I hope everything is well

In post 1396, emps wrote:i should probs meta teacher and skitter...

My only start to finish scum is normal 2016

In post 1390, popsofctown wrote:How come you don't believe in yourself and your ability to slander skitter 1v1 in the Thunderdome

2 conf town have called me scum. Like .5 for her. Plus I think you get more mileage out of the D1 Menalque wagon vCard than I do