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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:44 am
by AaronFrost
In post 1355, Luca Blight wrote:
Skitter is Town
, if that still needed pointing out. SS I’m pretty sure is Town as well.
Mind walking me through this read? I'm still unsure about skitter.

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:44 am
by nomnomnom
I don't want to waste a mislynch on me considering that we profit from revisiting other slots.

You will learn absolutely nothing about the scumteam by lynching me. You'll end up in day 3 scratching your head and stuff. I'm a bad lynch.

I still think Aaron is a good lynch by the by. His last posts feel like preparation to justify a vote on me. Keep this in mind if you actually go through lynching me today.

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:49 am
by AaronFrost
In post 1376, nomnomnom wrote:
I don't want to waste a mislynch on me considering that we profit from revisiting other slots.

You will learn absolutely nothing about the scumteam by lynching me. You'll end up in day 3 scratching your head and stuff. I'm a bad lynch.


I still think Aaron is a good lynch by the by. His last posts feel like preparation to justify a vote on me. Keep this in mind if you actually go through lynching me today.
Of course I'm going to go through other slots and see how they acted with Billy/how Billy acted with them but right now you're my main suspect based on your interactions with Billy.

Bolded statements feel like generic filler scum defense.

So what's your opinion on Luca's vote then if you think I'm trying to 'justify' a vote on you?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:56 am
by nomnomnom
Luca reads fairly townie through and through and plays exactly like the game I played with him, plus he pushed Billy's wagon fairly well so I have no reason to doubt he's town you know?

You on the other hand...

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:58 am
by nomnomnom
Besides I'm not really scared, I know I won't be today's lynch. It's just a matter of how much time we're wasting on me today before other townies can vote other scummy slots like yours ;)

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:04 am
by AaronFrost
Spoiler: Every single mention of nom by Billy Pilgrim (Hint: There's not that many)
In post 298, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Ok catching up from my absence.
@nom - in 89, what part of the setup spec was flying over your head?
In post 319, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 299, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 298, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Ok catching up from my absence.
@nom - in 89, what part of the setup spec was flying over your head?
not really the setup, more like the numbers discussion I'd say.
I don't buy this. Your 99 was more than competent. I dont know that I see a scum motivation for you claiming incompetence when you clearly had it, but if something starts to feel off, I'm going to revisit this.
In post 322, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 320, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 319, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 299, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 298, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Ok catching up from my absence.
@nom - in 89, what part of the setup spec was flying over your head?
not really the setup, more like the numbers discussion I'd say.
I don't buy this. Your 99 was more than competent. I dont know that I see a scum motivation for you claiming incompetence when you clearly had it, but if something starts to feel off, I'm going to revisit this.
my what
Your post 99.
In post 656, Billy Pilgrim wrote:@nom - referring to 406. given that someone (it may have been you) said S_S plays pretty passively as scum wouldnt his lack of scumread also be part of his scum!game?

If I missed something then let me know but as far as I can tell, Billy never gave an actual read on nom and every single interaction with her felt like generic filler questions made to look like they were interacting.

PEDIT: You keep telling yourself that buddy. Meanwhile I'll be focused on actually scumhunting ;)

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:05 am
by AaronFrost
What's the plan if I flip town nom?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:25 am
by Kerset
In post 1376, nomnomnom wrote: You will learn absolutely nothing about the scumteam by lynching me. You'll end up in day 3 scratching your head and stuff. I'm a bad lynch.
Who would provide us information about scumteam?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:55 am
by PMysterious
In post 1358, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 1084, PMysterious wrote:
AaronFrost wrote:I'm gonna ISO Billy. I did feel a little sketched out by him but I don't exactly remember why.
I just read through Billy's ISO. It seems fine to me. Sure, he's not likely a power role, but granted, there doesn't seem to be anything that says he's scum, at least in my point of view.
In post 1086, PMysterious wrote:
In post 1085, Luca Blight wrote:Pm, are you fully caught up?
I'll be going back and forth with catching up and discussing the current issue at hand. Like I said, I don't see any issue with Billy, but granted, I will need to look at the context of each important post he made.
PM looks sketchy as well.
Alright, I'll bite. Sketchy because I didn't see anything wrong with Billy's ISO? Or sketchy because I didn't know the context? Either way, since Billy was Mafia, I'm willing to admit I was wrong on my deduction. It just means my intuition isn't the best and I'll need to work on it. That's all.

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:09 am
by Something_Smart
VOTE: Aaron

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:24 am
by Wooper
In post 1316, TheWizard wrote:
Billy Pilgrim (8):
Xayah, Luca Blight, skitter30, Wooper, Kerset, rb, AaronFrost, Sujimichi
Xayah (2):
Sirfetchd, Billy Pilgrim
Kerset (2):
Flubbernugget, nomnomnom
rb (1):
PMysterious

Not Voting (1):
Something_Smart

Billy Pilgrim is today's putative lynch. If Governor and/or Vengeful exist, they should submit their actions now.


Twilight ends in:
(expired on 2019-11-03 19:38:00)
I didn't fully expect to get a redflip either akshuly but sometimes DESTINY extends its hand and this wagon felt like DESTINY.

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:26 am
by Wooper
BTW I finally rolled scum in a large game off-site and I got that "urge to kill them all" out of my system and I feel a lot more zen/mellow about mafia afterwards : ]

I'll continue to effort exactly as much as I can. can throw down newest scum meta if ppl are keen too.

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:50 pm
by Luca Blight
In post 1375, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 1355, Luca Blight wrote:
Skitter is Town
, if that still needed pointing out. SS I’m pretty sure is Town as well.
Mind walking me through this read? I'm still unsure about skitter.
Skitter’s interactions with Billy make her Town.

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:52 pm
by Wooper
agree fwiw
i've seen skitter bus but
never this well

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:08 pm
by Sirfetchd
Hey all. My house flooded at the end of yesterday. Still sorting stuff out but I'm mostly fine. Expect me to take a backseat for a little though, my game time will be reduced to posting while wagging off work at the moment.

I don't think Xayah is off the hook, a Xayah/Billy scum team still tries to direct off. And it was skitter that swung momentum, not anyone else so it's kind of out of control. Which sucks for me because it means I was off on my skit read.

Can someone talk me though the nom suspicion bc I don't see the Billy wagon presenting much info other than skit town?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:09 pm
by Something_Smart
Yikes, hope everything's ok.

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:10 pm
by Sirfetchd
that was poorly worded. Xayah is stronger than Billy, so I don't see any reason to give a relational town read.

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:12 pm
by Sirfetchd
In post 1390, Something_Smart wrote:Yikes, hope everything's ok.
My courtyard roof door wasn't sealed off and this was the first major rain since I moved in. So it was only my study. But assessing damage to the roof and if any of the stuff in the room needs replacing including my partner's camera gear.

So not like a whole house flood or anything like that, more of an inconvenience. Still, means I am stressed and busy.

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:18 pm
by Wooper
be safe sirf

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:32 pm
by Luca Blight
In post 1383, PMysterious wrote:
In post 1358, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 1084, PMysterious wrote:
AaronFrost wrote:I'm gonna ISO Billy. I did feel a little sketched out by him but I don't exactly remember why.
I just read through Billy's ISO. It seems fine to me. Sure, he's not likely a power role, but granted, there doesn't seem to be anything that says he's scum, at least in my point of view.
In post 1086, PMysterious wrote:
In post 1085, Luca Blight wrote:Pm, are you fully caught up?
I'll be going back and forth with catching up and discussing the current issue at hand. Like I said, I don't see any issue with Billy, but granted, I will need to look at the context of each important post he made.
PM looks sketchy as well.
Alright, I'll bite. Sketchy because I didn't see anything wrong with Billy's ISO? Or sketchy because I didn't know the context? Either way, since Billy was Mafia, I'm willing to admit I was wrong on my deduction. It just means my intuition isn't the best and I'll need to work on it. That's all.
It was a soft defence, which looks bad considering you did nothing else all day apart from lurk and sit on a vanity wagon. You also didn’t follow through on your intention of analyzing Billy’s posts.

I’d like to hear your thoughts/reads. I assume you’re full caught-up by now?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:38 pm
by Wooper
this is the only post in pm's iso which isn't "hey guys! still here but i'll get to this later!" which is like scum coasting 101

can someone check it for billy association tells, he defs comes down on the wrong side of the argument and votes Rb for kinda dubious reasons but idk yet

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:39 pm
by skitter30
looking just at the vote counts i think suji, xayah, and kerset's interactions look the worst

i don't particularly like nom's opposition to the wagon or her repeatedly emphasizing her lack of read on him or how she kept pushing people who were on the wagon

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:45 pm
by skitter30
In post 1339, nomnomnom wrote:I don't think I was opposing it, I was just genuinely surprised people wanted to vote there because the slot produced almost close to nothing compared to everything and at the time it looked like potentially a wagon scum wanted to generate. Since Billy flipped scum I was proven wrong so that's good.

I haven't voted yet and I don't want to end today fast, I'm just saying where my lynch preference is right now. I feel like the initial suspicions on Aaron were correct from certain players. Possibly joined the end of wagon for townpoints.
your interactions with the wagon and stances on billy as the wagon was building/falling apart/building read like you opposed it and didn't want it to happen

the day probably isn't ending fast (?)

i kinda dislike suji's vote there more tbh.
i feel like if it's like 5 hours ot deadline or whatever and the game is dead and it's day1 you just vote whoever needs to be voted to make a wagon happen and the fact that he needed to be prodded to vote is ???

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:46 pm
by skitter30
In post 1344, Luca Blight wrote:not thinking about being lynched already.
ya i feel like she's acting like it's a much more ~immediate~ threat/eventuality than it actually is at the moment, it feels kinda survivalistic to me

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:52 pm
by skitter30
In post 1345, Kerset wrote:Back there i still wasn't sure whenever suji was aware that it was a hammer(at the moment of post), so i didn't want to start trivial argues in which he could make various standpoints.
this strikes me as townie
In post 1351, nomnomnom wrote:Also let's see what happens if I VOTE: Aaron
what's your read on suji?
In post 1358, Luca Blight wrote:PM looks sketchy as well.
he's basically coasting via wolfy pop-ins and refusing to take any sort of stance
In post 1373, AaronFrost wrote:I'm willing to give Suji the benefit of the doubt that they knew it was a hammer, but it was still a sketchy hammer imo.
i mean the hammer had to happen, i'm more weirded out that he had to be prodded to hammer