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I mean even before gobbles speculated, I had my own guess' on who was what.

Saying 'we dont need them to claim because we have enough info' is kind of what scum want. No scum worth their salt is going to not going to be combing through isoes.

What is better, is to have both claim, force scum to choose between a joat with a mystery shot, a mason, and a tracker, and see what they pick from that.

Potentially useful role or mechanical clear?

This whole day has become about hiding players that, at this stage, should not want to be hidden.

In post 1374, Titus wrote:EP, that assumes the mailman is actually a joat. We have no proof of such. The absence of proof means either a) eyestott is lying, b) the sender is scum or c) the joat is an idiot because people should think a or b.

Pisskop might have useful actions as much as this "joat".

I'm not sure what you're arguing here.

To reiterate, I am pro-reveal insofar as the JOAT AND mason reveal. This string of posts started because I was demonstrating to you why it can be pro-town for the JOAT to remain hidden here if they believe pk's lynch will go through without a full reveal. You evidently want the JOAT to reveal, but you're overlooking the fact that if the JOAT exists and they reveal, they will most likely die tonight. This result will deprive town of their additional actions. Those actions may or may not be better or more numerous than pk's X tracking, but that's irrelevant. If the JOAT comes forward and reveals, we kill pisskop (eliminating his tracking ability) and effectively sentence the JOAT to die (eliminating their additional abilities). Then we're left with nothing.

Your vote on me here doesn't make sense because voting outside of pisskop, eyestott, or any other potential senders does not resolve this issue. You're acting like the JOAT doesn't exist but you're pushing the problem to tomorrow.

pisskop wrote:I mean even before gobbles speculated, I had my own guess' on who was what.

Saying 'we dont need them to claim because we have enough info' is kind of what scum want. No scum worth their salt is going to not going to be combing through isoes.

What is better, is to have both claim, force scum to choose between a joat with a mystery shot, a mason, and a tracker, and see what they pick from that.

Potentially useful role or mechanical clear?

pisskop wrote:This whole day has become about hiding players that, at this stage, should not want to be hidden.

I'm assuming these are directed at me, so I'll reiterate my stance again. I agree that a mass claim would be useful here, as stated earlier:

In post 1068, EspressoPatronum wrote:I support a full claim today.

If we're actually in mylo, I'd prefer if the JOAT confirmed eyestott's story.

In post 1196, EspressoPatronum wrote:I really think today is the day to fullclaim, given all the claim shenanigans going on right now

However, given that , I think the JOAT staying undercover is the next best option. Please see my most recent posts for an explanation of why I think it is the next best option.

In post 1378, EspressoPatronum wrote:

pisskop wrote:I mean even before gobbles speculated, I had my own guess' on who was what.

Saying 'we dont need them to claim because we have enough info' is kind of what scum want. No scum worth their salt is going to not going to be combing through isoes.

What is better, is to have both claim, force scum to choose between a joat with a mystery shot, a mason, and a tracker, and see what they pick from that.

Potentially useful role or mechanical clear?

pisskop wrote:This whole day has become about hiding players that, at this stage, should not want to be hidden.

I'm assuming these are directed at me, so I'll reiterate my stance again. I agree that a mass claim would be useful here, as stated earlier:

In post 1068, EspressoPatronum wrote:I support a full claim today.

If we're actually in mylo, I'd prefer if the JOAT confirmed eyestott's story.

In post 1196, EspressoPatronum wrote:I really think today is the day to fullclaim, given all the claim shenanigans going on right now

However, given that

Titus, Egix, Eve, eyestott, and alimdia are evidently against a full claim

, I think the JOAT staying undercover is the next best option. Please see my most recent posts for an explanation of why I think it is the next best option.

No. Any mystical joat with a guilty should full claim. Period.

In post 1379, Titus wrote:

In post 1378, EspressoPatronum wrote:

pisskop wrote:I mean even before gobbles speculated, I had my own guess' on who was what.

Saying 'we dont need them to claim because we have enough info' is kind of what scum want. No scum worth their salt is going to not going to be combing through isoes.

What is better, is to have both claim, force scum to choose between a joat with a mystery shot, a mason, and a tracker, and see what they pick from that.

Potentially useful role or mechanical clear?

pisskop wrote:This whole day has become about hiding players that, at this stage, should not want to be hidden.

I'm assuming these are directed at me, so I'll reiterate my stance again. I agree that a mass claim would be useful here, as stated earlier:

In post 1068, EspressoPatronum wrote:I support a full claim today.

If we're actually in mylo, I'd prefer if the JOAT confirmed eyestott's story.

In post 1196, EspressoPatronum wrote:I really think today is the day to fullclaim, given all the claim shenanigans going on right now

However, given that

Titus, Egix, Eve, eyestott, and alimdia are evidently against a full claim

, I think the JOAT staying undercover is the next best option. Please see my most recent posts for an explanation of why I think it is the next best option.

No. Any mystical joat with a guilty should full claim. Period.

Feel free to dispute my ideas with reasons of your own rather than dogmatic assertions.

In post 1349, gobbledygook wrote:Also possible. Could be that one scum doesn't have a vote right now. *cough* Egix *cough*

Very good point. Its also very hard to do VCA because of this

In post 1370, Titus wrote:The joat is only conftown if it claims. The mason is conftown regardless.

Why is JOAT conftown?

VOTE: Eyescott

In post 1381, alimdia wrote:Why is JOAT conftown?

If it claims, then we can confirm the Pisskop guilty. The guilty confirmation makes it conftown.

If not, it's a lie.

Sorry, I'm not in the mood to play mafia and I couldn't get a confident solve before this so I don't know who to vote here.

I'm fine defaulting to consensus, town is winning substantially more than losing nowadays.

Is our consensus one of [eye/pk]? I'm fine voting whoever of them come to L-1.

no the scum joat could fakeclaim a guilty and buss for towncred

if you claim i'm lynching you joat

In post 1383, Churros wrote:Sorry, I'm not in the mood to play mafia and I couldn't get a confident solve before this so I don't know who to vote here.

I'm fine defaulting to consensus, town is winning substantially more than losing nowadays.

Is our consensus one of [eye/pk]? I'm fine voting whoever of them come to L-1.

No. EP is scum.

However, Pisskop is at L-1.

In post 1384, Eve wrote:no the scum joat could fakeclaim a guilty and buss for towncred

if you claim i'm lynching you joat

You just plummeted my read on you.

In post 1385, Titus wrote:

In post 1383, Churros wrote:Sorry, I'm not in the mood to play mafia and I couldn't get a confident solve before this so I don't know who to vote here.

I'm fine defaulting to consensus, town is winning substantially more than losing nowadays.

Is our consensus one of [eye/pk]? I'm fine voting whoever of them come to L-1.

No. EP is scum.

However, Pisskop is at L-1.

Nah, he’s at L-2.

The votes on EP make literally no sense given the current situation.

I wouldn’t say literally no sense. I can think of multiple reasons why people might be scumreading EP, even if I don’t agree with them myself.

Well, these people are voting EP in light of thinking the guilty on PK is fake. Why would those people not be voting for eyestott, the claimer of the guilty they think is fake, or vote for someone who could have the mailman ability now that it’s been revealed EP’s night action is not to send mail?

How does that turn into an EP vote?

In post 1390, gobbledygook wrote:Well, these people are voting EP in light of thinking the guilty on PK is fake. Why would those people not be voting for eyestott, the claimer of the guilty they think is fake, or vote for someone who could have the mailman ability now that it’s been revealed EP’s night action is not to send mail?

How does that turn into an EP vote?

Because both scenarios deal with could be not what actually is. It could be that Alimeda lied and sent a fake guilty (scum did that in Boon There done that) or eyestott could be lying. I have more confidence in EP scum than mechanical could bes.

how this day still not over i'm getting sunburn over here

wut why would I claim mailman then?

Eve talk moar in our chat plx

this game makes my head hurt

In post 1393, alimdia wrote:wut why would I claim mailman then?

That's why I don't like you as I fake guilty person. You could just be getting ahead of it. Remind me who you sent mail to?

sorry alim i'm writing up my reads in there now

tell me what you think before i post them to the thread

I'm a bit better than before

I'm going to try to decide after coming from V/LA

I don't think the day should take much longer either.

In post 1391, Titus wrote:

In post 1390, gobbledygook wrote:Well, these people are voting EP in light of thinking the guilty on PK is fake. Why would those people not be voting for eyestott, the claimer of the guilty they think is fake, or vote for someone who could have the mailman ability now that it’s been revealed EP’s night action is not to send mail?

How does that turn into an EP vote?

Because both scenarios deal with could be not what actually is. It could be that Alimeda lied and sent a fake guilty (scum did that in Boon There done that) or eyestott could be lying. I have more confidence in EP scum than

mechanical could bes

.

They're only mechanical "could be's" as long as (1) we don't have a fullclaim, and (2) we don't resolve the possibilities. You're against (1) and your vote shows that you have no interest in (2). If you had your way, you would willingly send town into likely lylo with unresolved mechanics that could have been resolved the day before.

Thankfully, the majority of people here seem interested in resolving (2) one way or another (ie. voting eyestott or pk) instead of pushing the issue to tomorrow.