Don't mind me, just solving mysteries and catching scum over here.
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:56 pm
by jankofan
bob pushing me if scum is an attempt to pocket datisi. thinks my townread on snow was a white knight attempt which only works if you're scum reading me independently since its ascribing scum motivation to otherwise normal actions.
snow's exit/Bob's entrance were also scummy
this is E-1 (deja vu)
VOTE: bob
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:07 pm
by Iconeum
rawr!
catching up
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:07 pm
by jankofan
also ignores that I had snow town before the wagon started anyway and tries to paint it as if I came up with it to white knight.
In post 920, jankofan wrote:@datisi Ok I guess? still feels like a reach but w/e i cant really say im familiar enough with the game that i know whos sring npom, but its moot anyway because the read isn't faked at all. npom dedicates three posts to talking about how he missed the claim asking snow what it was. my intuitions about time management say that a cursory look at the last page would've been a lot quicker than writing three posts but i could see scum trying to emulate that sense of being idle and casual about the situation.
I'm townreading you because i feel like you're pushing me and it feels like you really want to be right about your take on me and that motivation and the tone that comes with it are obviously town
im pretty sure im still tring snow. of the ppl on snows wagon ico feels a lot like scum and im not sure who else was even on it
see this what scum do.
They town read the original wagon and push the second. All the while scum on the first guy stays put. And you get tvt situation that guarantees a town miskill
i'm not opposed to this assessment. It also reads like a pocket attempt towards datisi, while in the same breath also dismissing one of datisi's stronger reads (me)
can you explain what exactly you considered scummy about both of this?
yeah i really have a hard time with this
@janko
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:35 pm
by Iconeum
In post 413, jankofan wrote:hey there! sorry I had issues with my account and couldn't physically post on this thread, but now I'm good. Having just read through the last 6 pages of the game,
I'm currently at
closer to town: koba, snow, vp, gb
closer to scum: testarossa, iconeum, billy
idk about: everyone else. VOTE: iconeum
yo janko, i'd like to go over your opening post
what exactly made you scumread me again?
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:38 pm
by Iconeum
In post 421, jankofan wrote:I've read the whole game. Do you mean what gb was saying re your push on npom? If so, yeah kinda. It feels like you might've sensed an opportunity to attract some attention in your push on npom. starting a fight there doesn't jive with someone who has no agenda in this game other than solving. contrast that to snow who's sort of feeling her way through, it feels like she's legit trying to make sense of whats happening. And then how you've progressed in the game, my impression is that you're sort of annoyed at being called out, are doubling down on tone/aggression and force yourself into a townread position.
i already asked that at the time, and this was your response. Looks like you couldn't properly answer me, and had to back down from your opening statement that you 'only read the last 6 pages'. And when promped to explain your scumread, you couldn't help but be forced into saying 'no no i actually read the whole game'. Because you probably couldn't explain why you scumread me based on *exactly those pages* that you have claimed to have read at the time.
In post 427, Iconeum wrote:
did you happen to read the post i made where it shows the faulty logic used by VP in his push on me?
VP used meta from a game where NPOW was mislynched by town, and scum just sat by. Then VP applied it to this game where NPOW is once again being pushed, so his logical conclusion should be that it's probably town again but instead ends up scumreading me.
I got the impression that in VP's game scum chose to leave them alone and eventually NPOM attracted enough attention to fuel an all town wagon on them. Whereas in this game scum (you) have chosen to jump on them early and use the concept that NPOM is safely pushable to attract neutral/positive attention
early in the game
. Pretty sure thats what vp's point was?
Anyway my read on you extends past that concept and includes your progression from the early push even though it does circle back and tie in vp's initial argument
.
Yeah here it is again. Your 'scumread' on me is also because
progression.
But you opened with a scumread on me PRIOR to actually having read that part of the game lol
omg i can feel it
here we go
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:47 pm
by jankofan
lol I said I had *just* read the last 6 pages. I had read the previous pages aswell beforehand while not being able to post.
Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:54 pm
by Iconeum
ico's case on janko, gif'ified
Spoiler:
i'm done taking a backseat in this game boys and girls
ya'll can either push me because *reasons*, townread me and help me push this scum, or sort me based on whatever you want
janko opens with a scumread on me while only having read the last couple pages of the game, on which i haven't posted on several of those
when asked to explain that scumread, janko resorts to 'but i actually read the entire game'
This translates to Iconeum catching scum faking a read, which looks very similar to:
datisi begins to push back on Janko's scumread, saying the reasons are NAI at best. But that doesn't suit our friend janko, so it explains in a LOT of words, not very much:
In post 433, Datisi wrote:janko, do you think getting annoyed at people pushing you is scum!indicative?
talk to me friend
hey there! umm its context dependant and playstyle dependant. on the whole no, both alignments probably tend to get annoyed at being pushed. Although town might be annoyed i feel like they have a strong focus in and around scumhunting and that should be visible despite their frustration. Whereas, scum can just get a bit tunnel visioned defending themselves and having a lack of general awareness about the game and other slots since they naturally have to manually direct energy toward scum hunting since they feel defending themselves and tunnel visioning on their own pressure are more vital prospects. Whereas town are naturally inclined to scum hunt and task themselves with figuring out whether those pushing them are scum. I feel like scum would focus more on the pressure/push arguments (like what i think icon is doing) whereas town would also be visibly focusing on the persons pushing them and who is scum in general.
which basicly translates to: yes ur right datisi it's not AI except for now when it is
In post 906, jankofan wrote:vp was reacting to stuff similar to how i would in their catch up post, and I'm seeing sincere motivation and perception behind andres' posting
npom could be scum. "missing" snows claim and asking her what it was instead of just scrolling back and finding it is giving me scum pings. seems to be "active lurking".
anyway i'm sheeping koba's list and would vote to hang in {testa, ico, npom}
it is simply NOT POSSIBLE to scumread both me AND npow at this stage. You just spent a lot of effort in showing why my push on npow is scum!motivated, which left no room for you to be able to read it as a S vs S interaction. Yet 2 of your 3 scumreads are exactly that.
In post 920, jankofan wrote:I'm townreading you because i feel like you're pushing me and it feels like you really want to be right about your take on me and that motivation and the tone that comes with it are obviously town
absolutely not a legit take when your number 1 scumread is your townread's (top?) townread, if you know what i mean
In post 938, jankofan wrote:I think the reason I'm tring snow is that she seems like she'a actually introspecting and also that she seems focused on things that people who are solving tend to be focused on
you keep scumreading me despite you townread datisi who is YELLING at you that i'm town, and I've been hard townreading snow TOGETHER with you but i'm still scum with no room for re-evaluation?
and then we have the great switch
In post 1379, jankofan wrote:bob pushing me if scum is an attempt to pocket datisi. thinks my townread on snow was a white knight attempt which only works if you're scum reading me independently since its ascribing scum motivation to otherwise normal actions.
snow's exit/Bob's entrance were also scummy
this is E-1 (deja vu)
VOTE: bob
weren't you just townreading this slot? i'm very curious what exactly was so scummy about both the rep out AND the rep in
