Open 794 Pick Your Power X/Y (finished)

[Something_Smart]

I think there's huge scum equity in what they're pushing, but I don't think both surviving scum dive into such a bad opinion when it's transparently unpopular. I actually think it's probably +scum for Gypyx more than word.

Where did Gypyx dive into it...? He said it was NAI for Umlaut.

[the worst]

I thought i wanted to say a thing.

Then I realized that I really didn't have anything to say to someone makes the excellent deduction, if we believe A B and C is scum, then there necessarily is a scum in A B and C; and give the inspiring hot take, if two people have the same thought process, its rly high probabilities that one of em is scum and one aint

Uhh what, might be because it's 00:30 where i am but could you explain what you mean there? I don't see what your point is even applying to

hmm i thought this was shadier on first read than it actually feels

[Something_Smart]

That just reads like confusion to me. And it's justified because the quoted post was confusing.

[the worst]

it is a bit confusing in retrospect.

[Umlaut]

Hmm. I was just about to unvote Dolittle because, among other reasons, "scum!Dolittle would just claim UB," but would scum!Dolittle actually be able to claim UB and get away with it?

• Sure, because there is no rolecop to contradict that.
  
• Except no, because then he has to explain why he never uses his inherited vig shot.
  
• Except yes, because "oh gosh I guess I got roleblocked" is a hard excuse to contradict.
  
• Except still maybe no, because with two scum roles spoken for the odds are pretty good that scum
  don't
  have a roleblocker and may even know that
  some town player knows
  scum doesn't have a roleblocker.

If this final scenario is true then Dolittle would pretty much have to truthfully claim Rolecop here, even if he's scum. Losing a second scum due to being caught out by mechanics would be completely disastrous from a scum POV.

[Umlaut]

Kind of want to wagon Word, actually. Feels like he's lining up ly--uh, 'liminations (dependent on Dolittle being town) and I don't like his pivot from me to Dolittle as soon as I was no longer a convenient target.

[the worst]

do it. coward. i dare you.

[Umlaut]

It's not much of a wagon if only I do it though.

(And anyway I still have mixed feelings about Dolittle.)

[Something_Smart]

would scum!Dolittle actually be able to claim UB and get away with it?

Almost surely not? We'd just make him shoot?

[Umlaut]

Eh, I guess all I really have on him is "rolecop = scum" which I don't think even I am all that confident in after seeing his response to that idea.

VOTE: word

[the worst]

It's not much of a wagon if only I do it though.

(And anyway I still have mixed feelings about Dolittle.)

dolittle is easy to feel conflicted about. word hasn't been pressed yet. what are you waiting for, drdo's permission?
i thought you were a badass umlaut. don't let me down.

pedit: yeeet
VOTE: word

[Umlaut]

i thought you were a badass umlaut. don't let me down.

I honestly have no idea why you would have ever thought that. Does this look like the avatar of a badass?

[the worst]

i mean, i was just being provocative, but incidentally yes.

[Iconeum]

rawr!

what did i miss?

[Iconeum]

who even needs a rolecop just kill the people who are good at mechanics and scream until everyone massclaims

[Iconeum]

is it bad that like, an hour ago i wrote a mental note like "my current ez game ez lyfe solve is gypyx/word"

oh god why are we mindmelding

is duck scum again

i have many thoughts at this point

duck being scum ain't one of em - quite the opposite in fact

[the worst]

awww thank u dragon ^_^
what are your thoughts on tha tpost?

[Iconeum]

Hmm. I was just about to unvote Dolittle because, among other reasons, "scum!Dolittle would just claim UB," but would scum!Dolittle actually be able to claim UB and get away with it?

• Sure, because there is no rolecop to contradict that.
  
• Except no, because then he has to explain why he never uses his inherited vig shot.
  
• Except yes, because "oh gosh I guess I got roleblocked" is a hard excuse to contradict.
  
• Except still maybe no, because with two scum roles spoken for the odds are pretty good that scum
  don't
  have a roleblocker and may even know that
  some town player knows
  scum doesn't have a roleblocker.

If this final scenario is true then Dolittle would pretty much have to truthfully claim Rolecop here, even if he's scum. Losing a second scum due to being caught out by mechanics would be completely disastrous from a scum POV.

Kind of want to wagon Word, actually. Feels like he's lining up ly--uh, 'liminations (dependent on Dolittle being town) and I don't like his pivot from me to Dolittle as soon as I was no longer a convenient target.

[Iconeum]

awww thank u dragon ^_^
what are your thoughts on tha tpost?

that datisi post?

i think i misread it first time around, maybe? i think the part calling u scum was less serious then on my first read…

word + gypyx doesn't feel like a solve to me, at least not the word part of it

[the worst]

do u think it's umlaut/gypyx?

[the worst]

that was kinda my initial thought but when ss bonked me on the head and i reread it, the gypyx/word interaction didn't feel as..mm...opportunistic? pocketyish? as it did the first time

[Iconeum]

@Umlaut

can you explain to me how you scumread a player that selected *the same bracket you did*?
you also said that rolecop is a big + scumrole, so why can't DDL be town who denies scum that role, while still having use in it?

not saying it necesarilly points towards town!DDL, but it should be more NAI then scum indicative I think

[Iconeum]

do u think it's umlaut/gypyx?

i've been reading umlaut today and… I don't like what i'm reading but it's also not really calling scum to me if that makes sense. Like, I have no clue what scumlaut is trying to achieve here.

Gypyx is still independently scummy. I don't like SS, who feels very pockety thrughout the game.

[Iconeum]

I also found the 'why doesn't scum50 hammer some random townie in order to get his shot off before being killed' very compelling

[the worst]

i think we should end this phase by brutally murdering gypyx tbf.
what struck you as pockety or scummy from SS? like at what point did you start to think he might be scum