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In post 1374, PlusJOYED wrote:cuz im leaning town on kerset and their avi is cute

I’m not arguing that having a TR of Kerset is Scummy or a SR of Tayl0r is Scummy. What I’m arguing is Scummy is you directly saying that you want people on Kerset to vote for you so that Tayl0r gets executed. THAT doesn’t make sense. If all you’re going to say for Kerset Town is that you like their AVI and you just personally lean Town, then yeah don’t be surprised if you don’t sway too many people. I think you explained your Teacher SR. How about Tayl0r?

In post 1331, Menalque wrote:

In post 1317, PlusJOYED wrote:if kerset is red i think osuka is town
i don't see scum osuka not pursuing another wagon while his scum bud dies day 1
same for teacher but to a lesser extent

Is this pinging anyone else

It’s pinging *me*. It sounds planned. How does plus go from:

In post 424, PlusJOYED wrote:I'm still leaning towards IV being scum the most but if only me, shelly, and lurkerman think so and the rest think IV is town there's not much I can do since the read is pretty gut based. I'm willing to join on a taylor wagon though since they seem second scummiest.

To that post I don’t know. Like it doesn’t sound like a plus thought.

it is still cryptic yes

and yeah this is... a weird turn of events. i appreciate you asking nicely to move my vote but plus you’re neither a townread of mine nor are you giving me reason that i should move my vote other than what your reads are, especially the kerset one since i don’t know why you tr kerset right now?

so.... kerset is kinda scummy maybe but like... just hasnt done anything. do people finally understand why im scumreading plus though? will people join me on a plus wagon? find out next time on MItGBSMoD.

VOTE: plus

no i do not finally understand

In post 1379, innocentvillager wrote:no i do not finally understand

so you think plus' posts in the past 10 pages come from town?

why can’t they

In post 1376, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 1331, Menalque wrote:

In post 1317, PlusJOYED wrote:if kerset is red i think osuka is town
i don't see scum osuka not pursuing another wagon while his scum bud dies day 1
same for teacher but to a lesser extent

Is this pinging anyone else

It’s pinging *me*. It sounds planned. How does plus go from:

In post 424, PlusJOYED wrote:I'm still leaning towards IV being scum the most but if only me, shelly, and lurkerman think so and the rest think IV is town there's not much I can do since the read is pretty gut based. I'm willing to join on a taylor wagon though since they seem second scummiest.

To that post I don’t know. Like it doesn’t sound like a plus thought.

Can you elaborate I’m not following you

In post 1381, innocentvillager wrote:why can’t they

i think the burden of proof is not that things cant come from town, but that on balance, they come from scum more than likely.

ok

In post 1382, innocentvillager wrote:

In post 1376, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 1331, Menalque wrote:

In post 1317, PlusJOYED wrote:if kerset is red i think osuka is town
i don't see scum osuka not pursuing another wagon while his scum bud dies day 1
same for teacher but to a lesser extent

Is this pinging anyone else

It’s pinging *me*. It sounds planned. How does plus go from:

In post 424, PlusJOYED wrote:I'm still leaning towards IV being scum the most but if only me, shelly, and lurkerman think so and the rest think IV is town there's not much I can do since the read is pretty gut based. I'm willing to join on a taylor wagon though since they seem second scummiest.

To that post I don’t know. Like it doesn’t sound like a plus thought.

Can you elaborate I’m not following you

If Kerset flips Scum, does your mind immediately go okay Osuka is probably Town because they unvoted there and didn’t push anyone else to save their buddy? Is that your first conclusion?

Never mind that we should be waiting on an actual flip to draw some of these conclusions btw. Which seems TMI’ish to me.

In post 1360, PlusJOYED wrote:uhhhh at work but
teacher has been swapping his votes/sr a lot based on public opinion of those slots, he's flip floppity
he thought iv was scummy early when I did then he stopped later around when i stopped
he did the same thing with voting taylor then abandoning it
he also voted ndmath for inactivity also same time i expressed sr on slot
but then when kerset was at e1 he expressed intent to hammer and i don't think he ever even sr kerset before that

Is this TMIing a scum claim? I’m scummy for having similar thoughts to you??? I’m baffled.

Also - speed read update: @mena, I think my reads look somewhat like that but have shifted on the fringes. Bob has slid down,, Kerset down, and saud up. I’m also forming more solidified reads on IV (up, above ydrasse) and plus (down, below osuka). I think that’s about it but will give a better snapshot when not on mobile.

Also, lol at me being agreeable. This is probably my second most antagonistic game on site.

In post 1385, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 1382, innocentvillager wrote:

In post 1376, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 1331, Menalque wrote:

In post 1317, PlusJOYED wrote:if kerset is red i think osuka is town
i don't see scum osuka not pursuing another wagon while his scum bud dies day 1
same for teacher but to a lesser extent

Is this pinging anyone else

It’s pinging *me*. It sounds planned. How does plus go from:

In post 424, PlusJOYED wrote:I'm still leaning towards IV being scum the most but if only me, shelly, and lurkerman think so and the rest think IV is town there's not much I can do since the read is pretty gut based. I'm willing to join on a taylor wagon though since they seem second scummiest.

To that post I don’t know. Like it doesn’t sound like a plus thought.

Can you elaborate I’m not following you

If Kerset flips Scum, does your mind immediately go okay Osuka is probably Town because they unvoted there and didn’t push anyone else to save their buddy? Is that your first conclusion?

no but none of plus’s other conclusions are my first conclusion either, I don’t see how it’s scummy

I don’t think it’s tmi if kerset flips green also lol

if he flips red we can worry about plus later

In post 1386, Andresvmb wrote:Never mind that we should be waiting on an actual flip to draw some of these conclusions btw. Which seems TMI’ish to me.

you think anyone speculating on this kind of stuff is a TMI scumtel?

The other point is look at plusJOYED’s ISO. Read what drives the VAST majority of their reads. They are all directly based on something the specific player did or said, or a gut feel they gave them. That’s why that post sticks out so much. It’s like in a sea of simple, direct thoughts (nothing wrong with that at all mind you - some excellent Town players I know are very concise in their posts), we get that ONE post saying why osuka might be Town if Kerset flips Scum because of something they did related to that wagon and failed to do once they Unvoted. Not saying it can’t be a legitimate post following a flip. It’s just that I can’t square it with everything else plus has posted.

In post 1390, innocentvillager wrote:

In post 1386, Andresvmb wrote:Never mind that we should be waiting on an actual flip to draw some of these conclusions btw. Which seems TMI’ish to me.

you think anyone speculating on this kind of stuff is a TMI scumtel?

There’s no balance in that post. There’s no if Kerset flips Scum, you know this could be the case. However, if Kerset flips Town, then this other thing might be true.

maybe

I mean do you expect town!plus to really have static posting and approaching the exact same way across the whole game even as we start to near our first flip of the game

and why does scum!plus say this if kerset flips green

It’s not about being static all game. This is still D1. The only person that I’m seeing really try to give wagon analysis without flips as far as I can tell is Bob. And I have a good feeling as to why that is. And no I won’t expand on that.

In post 1392, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 1390, innocentvillager wrote:

In post 1386, Andresvmb wrote:Never mind that we should be waiting on an actual flip to draw some of these conclusions btw. Which seems TMI’ish to me.

you think anyone speculating on this kind of stuff is a TMI scumtel?

There’s no balance in that post. There’s no if Kerset flips Scum, you know this could be the case. However, if Kerset flips Town, then this other thing might be true.

i don’t understand why this is scummy

for someone of plus’s play style it’s even more possible that his thoughts are incomplete and random

if x then y (without mentioning if not x) doesn’t necessarily mean he’s likely to know that x is true, maybe we disagree on this

scum!plus isn’t exactly doing a great job of bussing/defending scum!kerset

I feel like to read plus we have to approach it from town!plus angle not town!andres angle

I get the sense you’re sort of trying to compensate for that but I think it’s harder to do something like this than we think

idk maybe I’m just biased bc I townread his earlier posting

In post 1394, Andresvmb wrote:It’s not about being static all game. This is still D1. The only person that I’m seeing really try to give wagon analysis without flips as far as I can tell is Bob. And I have a good feeling as to why that is. And no I won’t expand on that.

yeah but as we said we’re nearing our first read flip of the game so it’s not surprising that someone would try to speculate on conditional outcomes as the thoughts come to us when there was no point to doing so before

For someone having incomplete and random thoughts, the train of thought that ends in if Kerset is Scum, osuka is Town for unvoting and not pushing someone else to protect their buddy seems mighty elaborate to me.

Anyway there’s been more than a few things that have sort of pinged me on plus. I’m decidedly negative on the slot, and it isn’t just these latest posts. Their speculation around the Roles and trying to argue that one of NDMath/Me was Scum because of it seemed super fishy too.