I actually kind of like shelly's case here. The scumpings on Jackson being agreeable are legit, and 717 is a very bizzare reason to think someone isn't scum, especially since it was kinda clear to me that shelly was playing along with Jacko's IC reveal joke. This makes me like shelly a little more, and maybe Jacko
very
slightly less, but not by much. 1042: I townread fluff, Noraa. You better not stop. 1043 is a lot of IIoA (Information instead of Analysis) from Mundivore, but honestly, I still like it for the way they're applying it to this game.
Page 43:
Tayl0r acknowledges my case is fine in 1063, and says: "its just i couldnt follow why youd push that rather than another case."
This was addressed by me in 994 - I ISOed the slot I was most unsure about. I seem to have addressed all of her reasons and she doesn't have problems with the case, yet still implies she would wagon me if there were more support in 1065. I'm wondering if she's forcing herself to scumread me despite not having proper reasons, in order to go against the grain and look towny for it. Tinfoil, but I don't like it from her.
There's also 1059:
Tayl0r
, why do you have a PoE already for someone who replaced in 30+ pages in and started reading from that point? Do you townread everyone else?
when i said your case was fine i meant that. it wasnt good. it was just ok, some of it was very bad and some of it was kinda good. but the reasoning behind it was questionable.
as for the PoE, there are some null slots who havent really done anything, but i havent really sorted them one way or another.
Scum:
Saudade (but I have been told this is his town meta)
this feels weirdly fabricated to me
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:42 am
by Morning Tweet
Bat Fact #10:
The longest-living bat on record lived for 41 years.
While it is said that smaller animals generally have shorter lifespans, bats break that rule and live for a relatively long time.
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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:43 am
by PlusJOYED
In post 418, Mundivore wrote:I'm clownreading shelly. This super aggressive behavior seems detrimental to her no matter her alignment.
And I think you all know what I think about clowns.
VOTE: shellyc
man i wish jackson was here he seems cool
this is a mundipost, i think they qre just natrually elimhungry
right now im looking for who derails the shelly wagon
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:47 am
by PlusJOYED
In post 545, Grendel wrote:Actully, i think that Jackson's world view just makes more sense to me as town then mafia.
Since everybody is digging into Shelly's meta i feel obligated to read some of her past games, but i'll have to do it tomarrow.
What exactly is questionable? I want you explain why you think my explanation of "oh, I don't have any real scumreads outside of shelly, I should ISO people I'm unsure about, let's start with Saudade who I'm most unsure about" is questionable to you.
Are you using the term "PoE" as the name for your scumpool? PoE is usually used when you townread everyone else so you start eliminating in the remaining players (process of elimination)
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:52 am
by PlusJOYED
gut read Norwegian town ez
i think scum would wanna take advantage of the noisy townies and lay low day 1
What exactly is questionable? I want you explain why you think my explanation of "oh, I don't have any real scumreads outside of shelly, I should ISO people I'm unsure about, let's start with Saudade who I'm most unsure about" is questionable to you.
Are you using the term "PoE" as the name for your scumpool? PoE is usually used when you townread everyone else so you start eliminating in the remaining players (process of elimination)
no its PoE. because for now im writing off the nulls as likely town. theyre added to PoE because there is content and they arent sorted as town.
and im still waiting for you to iso other people then.
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:00 am
by Odd Day Jester
That's... a weird system, but probably NAI.
I'll ISO Morning Tweet for you, but JUST THIS ONCE.
My scumpool ftr atm fyi is shelly, Tayl0r, Saudade
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:02 am
by Odd Day Jester
The wagonomics are interesting, none of the wagonees are voting for each other at the moment.
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:05 am
by Odd Day Jester
I'm fine with Redados's answer regarding why he's less emotive this game btw. It's what I figured and at times I get this "this is really irritating but I'm going to stay cool" vibe from him when replying to scumreads line Noraa's and I find that kind of tone really town-indicative.
Still need to catchup on page 49 to 54(?). I'll probably skim some stuff but will still be on the lookout for anything particularly towny or scummy.
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:06 am
by PlusJOYED
page 42, ironic that shelly attacks me before i even arrive
at least most of this topic is fluff
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:11 am
by PlusJOYED
In post 1206, Redados wrote:I’mhappy with UNOwen’s response, I feel like we can have a good discussion.
Nora, I don’t feel like your last few posts have been helpful.
the response where they called you insincere lol?
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:15 am
by PlusJOYED
all caught up
first impressions from quick reading and no iso diving (unordered)
townish: shelly, jackson, suade, noraa, odd day (i take it back vca leads to him being townier), NE, mundi (meta), duppin, bug, un
reddish: reddados, grendel (taylor was better), mini,
In post 1206, Redados wrote:I’mhappy with UNOwen’s response, I feel like we can have a good discussion.
Nora, I don’t feel like your last few posts have been helpful.
the response where they called you insincere lol?
also with UNOwen he says stuff where I disagree and I say why I disagree. I see stuff where I see where he's coming from, and the only thing I can do is just to keep posting! which is fair. that doesn't make me upset.
In post 1023, duppin wrote:I was okay with Tayl0r's predecessor but not sure what to think of the slot at the moment. I know Jester already asked you to explain why you find his read on Saudade opportunistic but I would also really like to hear your read on Saudade since you did throw slight shade towards him earlier saying him being silent is a scum tell, I am well aware you were being sarcstic about your vast experience with him but still you never mentioned him after that.
actually i'd also like to hear your read on Mundivore since you said one of their posts concerned you but then you never mentioned them after that either
thats basically how i operate. youre gonna see me throwing some random shit at random walls for a while until i get settled
sure that's fair, but i would still like to hear your read on Saudade
It feels like there hasn't been any really consequential scumhunting at all in these entire forty-two pages. Nobody has made behavior with actual
stakes
. I don't know if I can confidently eliminate even a single pair of scumbuddies with any degree of confidence.
Things won't happen unless town starts voting for people. I've been part of the problem, but it's easy enough to fix.
VOTE: Saudade to E-2.
I actually don't like this wagon. I like Saudade for town. However, either this entices scum out to put more votes on people, or I get shown a more compelling wagon, right? But somebody really needs to start taking risks for us to actually
learn
things.
why do you like saudade for town?
If I'm going to be honest? It's simply because I don't understand the cases against them, and because nothing they've said pinged my scum radar. I've not gotten a gut 'ping' against them, and with the amount of output this thread is creating, keeping up with it is all I can do. Rereads are prohibitive with how long this thread is. If you still feel like your case is strong, and can succinctly summarize it or easily reach a link back to the primary context, I'd appreciate it.
hm okay i can maybe buy this, my initial concern was that Saudade had done absolutely nothing to warrant a town read in my opinion (unless it's a meta read of course). Don't get me wrong I don't think Saudade has been super scummy either but i find it slightly suspicious if someone has a townread on him because it gives me the impression they know something i do not. It actually makes me lean slightly more towards Saudade possibly being town simply due to the fact that I have a hard time understanding how a town player would have a townread on him at this point especially since several of the players in this thread seem to suggest that Saudade is a really good player. I have personally never played with him before but if he is a strong player then it does not really make sense to me that people are townread him when he hasn't really done anything so far since he has some real life stuff going on at the moment. so yeah when you call a townread on him to me it comes across as you trying to gain some towncred in case he is town and is mislynched, and the fact that you voted on him even though you thought he was town is just.. weird. It gave me the impression you wanted to vote on him but wanted to avoid the lashback at all cost in case he is mislynched (if we assume he is town in this scenario), but on the other hand I just think it's such a weird way for you to do that if you are scum
This solve might be correct, but if it is, it's boring.
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:23 am
by duppin
oh as for my own read on Saudade I said early on why I thought he was slightly suspicious earlier, generally it comes to me getting the impression that he was just trying to be heard and make sure he had a presence without actually attempting to game solve. My initial plan was to just give him some time and wait for him to do something. he and a couple of other players talked about him having good reads and I have to admit I thought it was a bit odd how he kept talking about his own good reads while also saying he had no real reads yet since it is early on in the game. Don't get me wrong it obviously makes sense for him to not have good reads yet and it is definitely not fair for me to call him out for that, but i think you will agree that it is harder to fake good reads as scum which was why I wanted to give him some more time to see if he would come with these so called "god reads", but then a little later norwee decided to vote on him which I did not expect, but I decided to join the wagon since I thought it would be interesting to see what would happen. Unfortunately he had to deal with some real life stuff which made the push rather lackluster in my opinion
agreed that annoys the fuck out of me
i like this jackson guy he's probs town
im also gonna challenge odd day jesters first 10 pages of wifom and say he's probably scum so far. I get wanting to do a gambit like that to look for an early elim hungry fellow but in reality he's being way too overt so I don't think that's his real goal here, he just wants to look like a crazy towny
Townreading ur own slot like its not urs is a really bad look.
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it was a breath of fresh air