Page 56 of 97
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 9:00 am
by Bingle
In post 1365, Gypyx wrote:and yup no fakes guities, although we can't have real ones too se psych is now basically useless
Untrue. They're an IC claim at worst, and might potentially have a conditional inno/hard guilty.
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 9:05 am
by GrandpaMo
In post 1374, Bingle wrote: In post 1356, Gypyx wrote:why no lim? like yeah we're on evens but better keep as many voices as possible alive
Actually mathematically suboptimal. No lim is better earlier in this case because we have the additional flip info earlier and scum has less to work on to narrow down the psychologist kill, when outing the psychologist is disproportionately more powerful the later it happens.
Also, I don't think there's an obvious NK right now and I want to know who scum would choose, which I can do without losing any potential town utility.
i dont like what u said in bolded...
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 9:23 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 1371, Gypyx wrote:i got like a lotta exams, that i didn't study for, but normally tommorw afternoon will be good for a decent while
wbu?
im killing people left and right
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 9:54 am
by GrandpaMo
wtf pooky u can meme anymore like this in day 3 ffs
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 9:54 am
by GrandpaMo
cant*
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 11:25 am
by T3
All my experience comes from chat mafia (Em, mafia.gg) so any posts longer than 5 lines I subconsciously don't analyze. I have no idearight now.
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 1:29 pm
by Bingle
? What do you not like about it?
8 alive with 2 scum. That's two mislims to lose.
If we no lim, we have 7 alive with 2 scum. That's two mislims to lose.
There is no opportunity in the setup at this point to net a mislim.
There is no lost utility to the setup if we no elim, as opposed to a closed where we might have a hidden doc or a previous day phase where we could still have a successful protect that nets us an extra miselimination.
The counter argument of course is "More town voices" but I think "Who would scum kill here?" is more valuable than any individual POV solve wise. I don't think there's a single universal townread that scum would simply always kill here.
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 1:45 pm
by Almost50
Nice bloody play. I concede the game to the scum team.
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 3:27 pm
by GrandpaMo
In post 1381, Bingle wrote:
? What do you not like about it?
8 alive with 2 scum. That's two mislims to lose.
If we no lim, we have 7 alive with 2 scum. That's two mislims to lose.
There is no opportunity in the setup at this point to net a mislim.
There is no lost utility to the setup if we no elim, as opposed to a closed where we might have a hidden doc or a previous day phase where we could still have a successful protect that nets us an extra miselimination.
The counter argument of course is "More town voices" but I think "Who would scum kill here?" is more valuable than any individual POV solve wise. I don't think there's a single universal townread that scum would simply always kill here.
i was really talking bout the subjective part of what you said and not objective. like how you said "which i can do without losing any potential town utility."
can u elaborate on that?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 3:29 pm
by GrandpaMo
i hate ppl like this.
i want to always try no matter what happens.
and i agree with bingle says objectively; even tho i have an idea on who scum might kill-- and won't reveal that info yet (due to wifom kill etc)
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 3:32 pm
by GrandpaMo
In post 1380, T3 wrote:All my experience comes from chat mafia (Em, mafia.gg) so any posts longer than 5 lines I subconsciously don't analyze. I have no idearight now.
i came from mafia.gg... what is ur excuse?
especially coming from someone who posts wall posts and analytical posts and doesnt usually do that on mafia.gg
so again, whats ur excuse?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 3:33 pm
by GrandpaMo
i think johnny flipping town >>> then the most likely kill which can be both VFP and lukewarm >>> t3 is probably still scum :/
@a50 why did u back down from pushing t3?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 3:41 pm
by Almost50
Where did I do that? I kept pushing T3 all day and I said Johnny was Town and still people piled on Johnny and then Bingle hammered. I can't even tell which is more scummy, Bingle or Pooky!
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 3:42 pm
by Almost50
^This is why I whiteflagged. You won't get it but they do. Whichever is Scum between the two has already won the game.
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 3:56 pm
by GrandpaMo
In post 1387, Almost50 wrote:
Where did I do that? I kept pushing T3 all day and I said Johnny was Town and still people piled on Johnny and then Bingle hammered. I can't even tell which is more scummy, Bingle or Pooky!
so y not keep pushing t3 then? instead of giving up?
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 4:30 pm
by Almost50
They are going for a no lim. I did my best (reached my peak) yesterday. I am not going to consume more of my energy on a lost cause. If you feel strong enough, you can push T3 and I'll follow (i.e. I will vote him), but I am telling you right now that they are going to NO LIM today, and then I hopefully will get shot at night and you can do whatever you all wanna do.
P.S. Weren't you one of the people who voted Johnny?? Now -if you are town- take responsibility and try to make up for your own mistake. I don't like talking and listening to my own echo while people do just whatever they want to do and hand scum the win. This isn't something that relates to this particular game. The whole site is now turning into a circus and people have been stubbornly doing their own thing (or to be precise what the MAFIA tells them to do). I am obviously overly upset so it's better not to discuss this anymore. You have the same vote-weight as mine.
VOTE: No Elim
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 7:52 pm
by GrandpaMo
In post 1390, Almost50 wrote:They are going for a no lim. I did my best (reached my peak) yesterday. I am not going to consume more of my energy on a lost cause. If you feel strong enough, you can push T3 and I'll follow (i.e. I will vote him), but I am telling you right now that they are going to NO LIM today, and then I hopefully will get shot at night and you can do whatever you all wanna do.
P.S. Weren't you one of the people who voted Johnny?? Now -if you are town- take responsibility and try to make up for your own mistake. I don't like talking and listening to my own echo while people do just whatever they want to do and hand scum the win. This isn't something that relates to this particular game. The whole site is now turning into a circus and people have been stubbornly doing their own thing (or to be precise what the MAFIA tells them to do). I am obviously overly upset so it's better not to discuss this anymore. You have the same vote-weight as mine.
VOTE: No Elim
i dont think i voted johnny.
i wanted them both out. i thought that johnny flipping town will make t3 scum vice versa.
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 7:55 pm
by GrandpaMo
In post 1390, Almost50 wrote:They are going for a no lim. I did my best (reached my peak) yesterday. I am not going to consume more of my energy on a lost cause. If you feel strong enough, you can push T3 and I'll follow (i.e. I will vote him), but I am telling you right now that they are going to NO LIM today, and then I hopefully will get shot at night and you can do whatever you all wanna do.
P.S. Weren't you one of the people who voted Johnny?? Now -if you are town- take responsibility and try to make up for your own mistake. I don't like talking and listening to my own echo while people do just whatever they want to do and hand scum the win. This isn't something that relates to this particular game. The whole site is now turning into a circus and people have been stubbornly doing their own thing (or to be precise what the MAFIA tells them to do). I am obviously overly upset so it's better not to discuss this anymore. You have the same vote-weight as mine.
VOTE: No Elim
also sorry for the passive aggressive questioning-- im just confused atp... and tryna figure out where everyone is out before we waste this day wit a no elim...
i just wanna hear from t3 first mainly + mena
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 8:14 pm
by GrandpaMo
also @bingle isnt it better to see who mafia kills during night 4? think about it...
the likelehood of t3 flipping scum here is high..
ELIM SCUM: we assume t3 flips scum >>> it becomes 1:5 during day 4 >>> 1:3 during day 5 >>> (NO ELIM) >>> 1:2 during day 6.
ELIM TOWN: we assume t3 flips town >>> it becomes 2:4 during day 4 >>> (NO ELIM) >>> 2:3 during day 5
NO ELIM: (NO ELIM) >>> it becomes 2:5 during day 4 >>> 2:3 during day 5
no eliming and eliming a town this day is practically the same. however the difference is that there is a possibility for t3 to roll scum and that goes for any elim we do today since we can't no elim already having doing so today or mafia would win. it also gives us better insight on the night 4 kill, questioning who would mafia kill here.
i think i rather have the mafia figure out to kill between towncore players that have been townread all this game (and this would make the kill now based on associates and question why did they make that kill) not ppl like pooky/mena/t3 who have had sum doubts bout other ppl.
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 8:39 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 1388, Almost50 wrote:^This is why I whiteflagged. You won't get it but they do. Whichever is Scum between the two has already won the game.
At least this time I won't get shot by my own teammate mwahahhahaha
Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 1:48 am
by Menalque
VOTE: Bingle
Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 1:48 am
by Menalque
Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 1:50 am
by Menalque
The hammer + the accurate NK + the retreat into mechtalk today all makes bingle a scumboi I think
Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 1:51 am
by Menalque
Man I’m so confused by what scum are doing this game lol
I really can’t get into their heads
Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 1:53 am
by Menalque
Hmmmm maybe it’s VCA time