Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Datisi]

can someone explain to me why enchant is town? but like, in simple terms that aren't "tstbs".

[Enchant]

Sheep mentality i quess?

[Gamma Emerald]

can someone explain to me why enchant is town? but like, in simple terms that aren't "tstbs".

idrt that's anyone's logic for enchant!town
why is enchant scum for you?

[Datisi]

can't really say i scumread them for something since they haven't done anything

it's more like an absence of anything completely townie for me

[Fun and Games]

reviewing Echant's iso

I think his first post is kinda townspewy

and everything else feels decentish? like I can see town!him saying the things he types in here

probly at greater than rand town for me

[Fun and Games]

Where my head is currently.

I probably should have more of a read on VP/SleeplessA -.-

~pooks

[Datisi]

can u tell skitt to stop bullying me

[Fun and Games]

I would not stand between a hungry tiger and her food (^_^)

I am not

that

bad

[Fun and Games]

also I can't believe Enchant made it onto the list twice

w i l d

[Enchant]

Where my head is currently.

I probably should have more of a read on VP/SleeplessA -.-

~pooks

i am so towny i am twice in this list

[Fun and Games]

fix'd

[Sleepless Assassin]

Datisi,

Iconeum- I think I've covered this at length but I think only a green flip would be enough to convince me this slot isn't scum. He didn't post often but when he did something always stood out. He entered the game answering a simple "what is your alignment " with "I'm sad" rather than simply saying he's town and it just got worse from there. Came back to not acknowledge anything said about him. Then Darby coming in and talking down Iconeums play doesn't look good either

VP Baltar - Right since the beginning there had been little things that make me feel like he's scum but it's not enough to push that feeling over the edge. In the interaction with me, it felt like he had the motive of calling me scum rather than figure out my stances or reasons for them. The mixup where I thought he made Bingles post has me second guessing this but on reflection Bingles post had differences I should have noticed and I think I just had carried over frustration when reading that post from dealing with VP up to this point. I'm not as confident as I was but I still wouldn't be surprised if VP was scum here.

Not Mafia - It's probably outdated as hell but the way to read him used to be as town he'd have little moments of one liner reasoning and trying to find and vote scum. As scum he'd meme post or just flat out not say anything. If this is still the case this is his classic scum game. I'd shoot him as vig.

Almost50- like I said before he is obviously playing WIFOM games with everyone and trying to play a certain way to make us think certain things about him. I don't know what it is or why. Someone said he's trying to look like a power role. I don't want to speculate on whether he actually is one but my big thing is why prioritize that over scumhunting and discussion like he's started to do. He was pretty involved early on and I know he can be a strong player. So it's weird. Also could see him as a buddy to Iconeum.

Gamma- It's kind of hard to say. I'm still ok with a compromise on him for Day 1 if absolutely needed but I don't see anything all that telling in his play. Like I said before, his apathy towards being wagoned once it was explained seemed logical. But it doesn't make him town either. This read is a straight "idk" read.

Penguin - I don't like that he's added his vote to every big wagon and not contributed a whole lot to the discussions on those players' alignments but he says he likes wagons and cares more about wagon composition on Day 1, I assume for later analysis. So I think I'm reserving judgement until later.

Bingle - I didn't like him just talking setup early on but I suppose it's normal for him. He eventually came in with reads and later with reasons and while I do somewhat worry his reads seem to go with the flow too much, he seems to believe them and want to understand everyone's points of view and make his own clear. Thinking town for now.

Enchant - seems to be sticking to what he believes and not lettingmothers tell him how to play or vote. Doesn't seem willing to explain which is annoying but more likely a playstyle thing. (Auto correct made playstyle say playtime and I almost didn't notice so of this post or any others say something weird ask me because that probably happened)

Dunn- Until he was wagoned his play felt very interested in other people as opposed to himself so while he didn't use a lot of words I think his mentality was on finding scum rather than how he's coming off. I know I've said it over and over but he came out of the Fun And Games exchange looking town in my eyes. It's also worth noting he didn't have interest in voting Gamma and he feels like a player who wouldn't be ashamed to vote opportunistically as scum.

Sircakez - I know at one point I stopped townreading people for questioning town reads on them because so many people were faking that tell for townpoints, but he feels more genuine in doing that here. I also like that he's got some unpopular opinions. It makes them seem more like real reads.

Fun and Games (skitter30 & PookyTheMagicalBear) - Iso is full of hard questioning and solid stances. This isn't a slot that I'd expect to catch as scum on Day 1. There is absolutely no reason for me not to town read them.

Datisi - I can follow a very detailed thought process. If you're scum, you should take up an acting career. I'm not ruling it out because it's Day 1 and I don't have a single town read I'd bet real money on but you're my strongest town read and I'm pretty confident in it.

[Gamma Emerald]

How is the pingu only lean town for you Pooky lol

Also I have a kinda goofy reason for why I think skitter is town here

[Sleepless Assassin]

also, sidenote: i find it interesting how both baltar and sleepless are accusing ico of being scum with the other. i don't know what that *means* exactly, but it's something

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Wait did VP say I'm scum with Iconeum? I missed that. That's actually really surprising.

___________

Ugh. Are those really Pookys reads? You're supposed to be obvtown

[Sleepless Assassin]

also, sidenote: i find it interesting how both baltar and sleepless are accusing ico of being scum with the other. i don't know what that *means* exactly, but it's something

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Wait did VP say I'm scum with Iconeum? I missed that. That's actually really surprising.

___________

Ugh. Are those really Pookys reads? You're supposed to be obvtown

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Forgot this

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I’ll be more proactive once I can work from a flip

[Fun and Games]

How is the pingu only lean town for you Pooky lol

Also I have a kinda goofy reason for why I think skitter is town here

I only need townlean to beat skitter and I'm all about doing the absolute minimum

[Fun and Games]

I think I’ll be more proactive once I can work from a flip

I guess I'm just used to seeing more proactive solving from town!you in every completed game I've played with you in my recent memory and here you're just using a rando excuse that I remember using as scum once upon a time.

[Sleepless Assassin]

I think I’ll be more proactive once I can work from a flip

I guess I'm just used to seeing more proactive solving from town!you in every completed game I've played with you in my recent memory and here you're just using a rando excuse that I remember using as scum once upon a time.

Was he proactive on Day 1 in those games or just in general over the course of the game? And how recent?
Was he proactive on Day 1 in thos

[Fun and Games]

this one just ended:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=88043


also examples:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87498
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87397
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=87412

[DArby]

how the fuck am i the same rank as n_m, dunn, ico slot, and sleepless?

lack of anything that feels distinctly towny from you post read purge
also, I'd probably most like to lim Dunn, N_M, or potentially SA
Datisi and DArby at least seem active enough to warrant a pass for today

Active isn’t the right word
Should have said “engaged”

I was about to say…

[DArby]

i don't know why, but darby's 1188 and 1190 give me a scummy vibe, in a sorta cognitive load way? what i mean is, the answers to those questions seem relatively easy to figure out if you read the post that skitter is literally quoting there. and the fact that he's *still* asking for clarification there strikes me as if he didn't quite get it because way too many other things are on his mind (i.e. he be informed)

someone let me know if i am getting too biased here, but those two just pinged me as Wrong

To answer Penguin’s question earlier, I do have a read on you now: town. You’re absolutely tunneling me but I think it comes more from not knowing how I play vs actively taking my questions in bad faith.

[Sleepless Assassin]

this one just ended:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=88043


also examples:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87498
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87397
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=87412

Was he proactive on Day 1 in those or just generally speaking?

I'll go check dates I suppose

[Sleepless Assassin]

I'm also curious if he was wagoned on Day 1 in any of them

[Sleepless Assassin]

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