Do we think Furtive's push on Pooky comes from scum? I said earlier Furtive was the weakest vote on my wagon and it's feasible they could begin looking elsewhere to avoid drawing attention to themselves as having fairly weak reads. By the same token though bit of a bold move...not a slot likely to get eliminated for most of today and if Rad somehow isn't scum here no reason for Furtive to throw things into jeopardy. Unless they're teammates I guess in which case I dunno the angle.
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:09 pm
by MalcolmTucker
In post 13849, Rad wrote:There's like 0 chance of pooky wagon going anywhere.
You don't want to lose town!Pooky here anyway. You want to lose town!rad cause that will improve town's chance of winning. Only 2 people have openly claimed they will read me town at endgame. I'm the endgame mislim waiting to happen.
I will escape this island before you pooky. You must stay and suffer.
I really can't figure out if this is a gambit where you want to make yourself look more townie because I'm going to be eliminated and you don't want to appear as obvious scum next turn, or if it's genuine. I'm not sure you necessarily need to do this to assert yourself as townie this turn, which had me leaning more town on you, but thinking ahead I get why you'd consider the approach if you're confident you won't be voted out.
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:13 pm
by Rad
Malcolm, consider me town for a moment. Is there a better endgame mislim in this game than town!rad?
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:13 pm
by MalcolmTucker
Like Rad's play right now does not feel like scumplay at first glance but from my read of them they've been involved in a lot of self-preservation over the past couple of turns. The Mala wagon was convenient and worked well from a scum POV and Rad was instrumental in said wagon.
But by the same token a scum Rad knows I am town and therefore knows if I'm eliminated this turn they're toast. The only way to try and save face is then surely to do something that doesn't look scummy at all, no? But it still feels overly bold, overly ambitious.
I'm remembering back to the last turn when Rad didn't find Mala's self-vote townie and instead read it as scummy, and that's interesting. Is Rad's willingness to do this an indication it's a scum tactic they like and will employ to win over sympathy? Or is it again too bold for them to attempt this one turn after they criticised someone else for doing it?
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:14 pm
by Rad
Listen to Malcolm, I'm scum and everyone needs to vote me out immediately
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:15 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
shit everybody wants off the island
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:15 pm
by BlueBloodedToffee
VOTE: Rad
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:16 pm
by Rad
Ty bbt. I think my other town read csf should do the same.
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:16 pm
by MalcolmTucker
In post 13852, Rad wrote:Malcolm, consider me town for a moment. Is there a better endgame mislim in this game than town!rad?
Probably not, no. I guess the same could be said for me - barring some absolutely wild scum theatre if you come back scum then I'm clearly town, and the same would be true if I were hypothetically scum, which I know I'm not.
I've been willing to accept myself as the solvey town day elimination in the past and have taken it for the team but find myself instinctively less willing to do so this time - I dunno, maybe it's just because I'm actually starting to enjoy this game and I'm enjoying trying to solve, but I'd rather not lie down and just accept elimination knowing I'm town personally.
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:20 pm
by MalcolmTucker
In post 13854, Rad wrote:Listen to Malcolm, I'm scum and everyone needs to vote me out immediately
For what it's worth I am genuinely more on the fence because of your approach here than I have been for a while.
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:21 pm
by Rad
Malcolm if you got fight in you then keep it up. I do not. I'm spending all my time defending myself and most of my ideas here are silly wifom bs that people scum read me for. Bell scum read me, Luke scum read me, if you're town and we flip you I'm even more a liability and I bet I wouldn't even die tomorrow if you flip town today. I'll die at endgame with town. This isn't even me complaining here, this is me recognizing the correct move for town.
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:23 pm
by Rad
Even if everyone in the game locktowned me here, I'm still picking the wrong person to flip at endgame. This game has been super fun but this is where my slot has to leave.
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:25 pm
by MalcolmTucker
In post 13860, Rad wrote:Malcolm if you got fight in you then keep it up. I do not. I'm spending all my time defending myself and most of my ideas here are silly wifom bs that people scum read me for. Bell scum read me, Luke scum read me, if you're town and we flip you I'm even more a liability and I bet I wouldn't even die tomorrow if you flip town today. I'll die at endgame with town. This isn't even me complaining here, this is me recognizing the correct move for town.
I agree we probably need to be solved to some degree here.
My wariness comes from a world where we're both town and scum are lapping up this scenario.
But if this is somehow not a scum gambit from you and you're town I think the votes on you would be quite informative. I TR BBT anyway for example but the vote above is incredibly townie - I don't think scum just boldly vote for someone they've TR'd in the thread to get an easy elimination, especially when I'm town as well and still viable to a degree. In a world where you're town along with me I think scum are extremely careful here.
I still think we just auto win this if we run down the list of top scum reads.
For instance if we flip another townie today after both BBT and Best Bird have their wagons killed for the 6th day in a row, then maybe we should stop voting out people who are only peripherally scummy but not as great at defending themselves.
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2022 3:27 pm
by Best Bird
Good to see you, Roden. Make sure you don't keep missing that prod timer by too much.
In post 13806, furtiveglance wrote:I've been quietly sussing Pooky for a bit now, I was slightly hesitant to raise it because I know butterflies is hard townreading Pooky and I know what they can get like, and so is Rad and apparently half the lobby.
1) They suggested Rad/Malcolm was scum/scum which has been practically impossible for a few days now (13718)
2) They keep switching their vote when the mood feels like the energy is dying on a wagon. The first time I noticed this was 13657 - Rad to Malcolm, reason given is "I'm bored and you're annoying". Then there's 13734 - back to Rad, reason given is "I guess I can go back to this". Then the latest thing is 13800, over to Johnny, reason is "Rad has cried enough".
3) 2-shot Cop is a weird role to be in a game like this. It doesn't seem balanced for a game like this, and checking 2 now dead town, who didn't seem likely to be eliminated, with the reason of 'paranoia' feels really convenient.
4) Pooky is guilty of hypocrisy regarding ProfessorDrapion. 13222 is a good example of this, Pooky is also an investigative, and hasn't been killed.
Anyway this is my current big sus.
VOTE: Pooky
lol - this so bad...especially point 4, but also point 3 and 1...point 2 applies to Rad as well!
