No one's going to give a more comprehensive case on a wagon today than what BB/Luke's presenting here, and that will follow me into end game if I continue to survive.
Lean town based on his interactions with Corwin/Math slot. If they were scum setting themselves to appears as if they were in a PT when they are not, they did a pretty good job as it looked legit to Luke.
I believe that this is the first vote cast after that vote count, so this is the exact game state when she voted.
Bella decided not to bus Math, and instead moved C/G from 3 votes -> 4
I don't think that it makes a ton of sense for C/G to be scum in this world.
He also feels that Bella would have chosen to vote either Math or BBT if C&G were also scum. He thinks if all three were scum she would have landed on Math, and if just Math and C&G were scum she would have landed on BBT.
Lean town based on his interactions with Corwin/Math slot. If they were scum setting themselves to appears as if they were in a PT when they are not, they did a pretty good job as it looked legit to Luke.
I believe that this is the first vote cast after that vote count, so this is the exact game state when she voted.
Bella decided not to bus Math, and instead moved C/G from 3 votes -> 4
I don't think that it makes a ton of sense for C/G to be scum in this world.
He also feels that Bella would have chosen to vote either Math or BBT if C&G were also scum. He thinks if all three were scum she would have landed on Math, and if just Math and C&G were scum she would have landed on BBT.
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 4:50 am
by Rad
People could push a Malcolm wagon or C&G wagon or CSF wagon here and maybe get one through, but tomorrow is still Rad vs that case and none of those people flipping red clears me of it.
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 4:54 am
by butterflies
Well @BB, I was hard tr him as was Flea until he pushed me for absolutely ridiculous reasons and even now, I still am really not sure what his read on me even is. But yeah, hedgey paranoia filled reads are probably still the main reason after that why I haven’t moved my vote. I don’t see in what world my 180 on BBT post hard doc claim, is ever remotely scummy.
Lean town based on his interactions with Corwin/Math slot. If they were scum setting themselves to appears as if they were in a PT when they are not, they did a pretty good job as it looked legit to Luke.
I believe that this is the first vote cast after that vote count, so this is the exact game state when she voted.
Bella decided not to bus Math, and instead moved C/G from 3 votes -> 4
I don't think that it makes a ton of sense for C/G to be scum in this world.
He also feels that Bella would have chosen to vote either Math or BBT if C&G were also scum. He thinks if all three were scum she would have landed on Math, and if just Math and C&G were scum she would have landed on BBT.
Yeah, I think DNA ISO seemed pretty damned townie.
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:01 am
by Rad
The BBT thing was me misremembering stuff and talking about it openly without re-checking things first. It is what it is. I backed off when you pointed out your past post where you had already made the change on your read. Town can trip here. I'm far less likely to trip like that as scum. You don't need to believe me here though and even if you do, I believe you should keep your vote on me.
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:04 am
by butterflies
In post 13953, Rad wrote:People could push a Malcolm wagon or C&G wagon or CSF wagon here and maybe get one through, but tomorrow is still Rad vs that case and none of those people flipping red clears me of it.
My issue is that in none of your posts, have you allayed my reasons for voting you. Scummy push, paranoia on me and others, bargaining with me to tr each other, etc. Like if you compare your posts to BBT, none of his posts seem in anyway agenday. Which continues to solidy my now extremely hard tr of him, because he’s playing very differently now than before he made the doc soft. Didn’t like Malcolm’s shading of Taly slot either fwiw.
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:06 am
by butterflies
In post 13956, Rad wrote:The BBT thing was me misremembering stuff and talking about it openly without re-checking things first. It is what it is. I backed off when you pointed out your past post where you had already made the change on your read. Town can trip here. I'm far less likely to trip like that as scum. You don't need to believe me here though and even if you do, I believe you should keep your vote on me.
Well what about what BB just pointed out then? All of the hedgey paranoia reads? Like you have to have some slots you’re confidently tr?
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:12 am
by Rad
In post 13957, butterflies wrote:Like if you compare your posts to BBT, none of his posts seem in anyway agenday
Meh, scum doesn't need to play like they've got an agenda. I think scum!BBT is fully capable of playing without an obvious agenda. Malcolm's hard stance on me having a constant scum agenda is what made me scum read him so hard. It's kind of a rigid view on BBT here tbh. I read him town specifically for how he interacted with my wagon in a previous day but there's nothing about his play here that is outside his scum range IMO.
In post 13957, butterflies wrote:Like if you compare your posts to BBT, none of his posts seem in anyway agenday
Meh, scum doesn't need to play like they've got an agenda. I think scum!BBT is fully capable of playing without an obvious agenda. Malcolm's hard stance on me having a constant scum agenda is what made me scum read him so hard. It's kind of a rigid view on BBT here tbh. I read him town specifically for how he interacted with my wagon in a previous day but there's nothing about his play here that is outside his scum range IMO.
I disagree. His recent play is very different than his play pre-doc claim. I don’t understand how you’re not seeing that?
In post 13956, Rad wrote:The BBT thing was me misremembering stuff and talking about it openly without re-checking things first. It is what it is. I backed off when you pointed out your past post where you had already made the change on your read. Town can trip here. I'm far less likely to trip like that as scum. You don't need to believe me here though and even if you do, I believe you should keep your vote on me.
Well what about what BB just pointed out then? All of the hedgey paranoia reads? Like you have to have some slots you’re confidently tr?
I gave me most recent reads in 13736. I hard town read CSF and BBT atm. You're probably my other highest read. I hard read RCE as town before replacing out.
In post 13957, butterflies wrote:Like if you compare your posts to BBT, none of his posts seem in anyway agenday
Meh, scum doesn't need to play like they've got an agenda. I think scum!BBT is fully capable of playing without an obvious agenda. Malcolm's hard stance on me having a constant scum agenda is what made me scum read him so hard. It's kind of a rigid view on BBT here tbh. I read him town specifically for how he interacted with my wagon in a previous day but there's nothing about his play here that is outside his scum range IMO.
I disagree. His recent play is very different than his play pre-doc claim. I don’t understand how you’re not seeing that?
It's weird how different people can see things differently huh? I dunno how that's a scum tell for you, but it's whatever.
Drap's my paranoid scum read along with the masons. But that's probably bullshit paranoia and he's probably just town tracker
who's not all that invested in the game
.
@RAD please explain this read. In what world is Drap “not that invested in the game”?
Drap pops in and yells that me and Johnny are town and pops out. Over and over.
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:25 am
by Rad
I feel like Drap probably doesn't read the entire thread either. Like why didn't he respond at all to this question from his top town read?
In post 13707, Rad wrote:Drap can you give some general thoughts on why you're sure Malcolm is scum? Or point to a post where you spell them out? I can't remember if you've posted one like that.
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:25 am
by Yeet
In post 13947, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Scum are almost certainly happy with the game-state because there has been barely any movement anywhere else.
Game is stale as fuck
How did you come to this conclusion, is this why you think both Malcolm and Rad are town? What sort of “movement” would you have expected to see if scum weren’t happy?
Drap's my paranoid scum read along with the masons. But that's probably bullshit paranoia and he's probably just town tracker
who's not all that invested in the game
.
@RAD please explain this read. In what world is Drap “not that invested in the game”?
Drap pops in and yells that me and Johnny are town and pops out. Over and over.
So how are you reading that as “not invested”? He also keeps trying to find alternative wagons to you and Johnny and ONLY you and Johnny. He apparently doesn’t care about his hard tr on Taly slot or his inno on me, which I think is wild.
But he is one of the most highly invested slots in the game. I think only you and BB would rank higher on that paradigm, wouldn’t you say?
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:28 am
by Yeet
Without reading much my initial impression on Rad is lot of flailing which isn’t really that AI. Malcolm seems stoic/boring which I loosely scumread him for but I think I just naturally tend to get scumreads on this kind of style - I tunneled him incorrectly the last time we played for that.
Drap's my paranoid scum read along with the masons. But that's probably bullshit paranoia and he's probably just town tracker
who's not all that invested in the game
.
@RAD please explain this read. In what world is Drap “not that invested in the game”?
Drap pops in and yells that me and Johnny are town and pops out. Over and over.
So how are you reading that as “not invested”? He also keeps trying to find alternative wagons to you and Johnny and ONLY you and Johnny. He apparently doesn’t care about his hard tr on Taly slot or his inno on me, which I think is wild.
But he is one of the most highly invested slots in the game. I think only you and BB would rank higher on that paradigm, wouldn’t you say?
You think BB is highly invested in this game? Lol I don't see it.
You and me are from what I can tell the most invested people in this game. Maybe Luke trumps us if he's still actually making cases from the dead LOL
In post 13957, butterflies wrote:Like if you compare your posts to BBT, none of his posts seem in anyway agenday
Meh, scum doesn't need to play like they've got an agenda. I think scum!BBT is fully capable of playing without an obvious agenda. Malcolm's hard stance on me having a constant scum agenda is what made me scum read him so hard. It's kind of a rigid view on BBT here tbh. I read him town specifically for how he interacted with my wagon in a previous day but there's nothing about his play here that is outside his scum range IMO.
I disagree. His recent play is very different than his play pre-doc claim. I don’t understand how you’re not seeing that?
It's weird how different people can see things differently huh? I dunno how that's a scum tell for you, but it's whatever.
I’m just pointing out what I see as super obvious. He was playing deliberately scummy pre-doc claim and his play post doc claim has been really really townie. Now granted since I obviously do believe the claim, it could possibly be affecting that read but I don’t think do. I probably wouldn’t have been sr him in the first place had he been playing like this all along but it definitely makes sense now.
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:33 am
by butterflies
In post 13968, Rad wrote:I feel like Drap probably doesn't read the entire thread either. Like why didn't he respond at all to this question from his top town read?
In post 13707, Rad wrote:Drap can you give some general thoughts on why you're sure Malcolm is scum? Or point to a post where you spell them out? I can't remember if you've posted one like that.
Well you’re not the only one paranoing on him. But he’s not actually helping either you or Johnny because, he’s just annoying people with that.
