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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 1:58 pm
by MonkeyMan576
Either.

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 2:05 pm
by ferretlover
Okay.
  1. Nobody can know, unless they are one.
  2. Indies are possibly not a threat to us; while scum faction(s) definitely are a threat.

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 2:10 pm
by MonkeyMan576
I don't see how. More than likely indies probably want town dead as much as scum.

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 2:22 pm
by ferretlover
The only Indies that I can think of that want Town dead are Survivors and SK's.

And drug dealers

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 2:58 pm
by Skullduggery
Once again:
In post 1396, Skullduggery wrote:If GCBC was self-aligned, he would not have flipped "Heyman-Aligned Rolecop." He would have flipped "Self-Aligned Rolecop."

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:10 pm
by ferretlover
But what if there was a faction that didn't have a NK? That would make sense in GCBC's case.

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:23 pm
by The Goat
In post 1391, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1389, Svenskt Stål wrote:ehumm, pretty sure me and nero are just having fun here bro.
this. Though I actually do think its pretty obvious that heymans are a scum faction but still...its not something we should be discussing. Lets talk about who we will lynch.

I will also lay out my Goat case and I want comments on it to see if I am unfairly tunneling town or if his "oh you suspect me!!! I hate this game" hissy fit is an scum ATE.
For what it's worth, it was more of a "wtf is your problem, you tool" reaction than a hissy fit. Probably difficult to differentiate without enough feedback from me.

I'm generally going to disregard you for a couple days to see if that helps.

And Sven, to answer your question, expect feedback at some point in time tomorrow night. Mother's Day wasn't particularly conducive to analysis.

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:36 pm
by ferretlover
You can't just "disregard" someone in a game like Mafia. You have to read everything and make logical, educated decisions. If you just "disregard" Nero because he suspects you then you will definitely be seen as scum.

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:44 pm
by Darthe
In post 1401, ferretlover wrote:Okay.
  1. Nobody can know, unless they are one.
  2. Indies are possibly not a threat to us; while scum faction(s) definitely are a threat.
What is this? Possibly not a threat? They are a non-town faction. Even if they aren't scum they are less valuable than town and they do not hold the same agenda. The dissimilarity makes them a target for us.

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:45 pm
by Svenskt Stål
In post 1398, MonkeyMan576 wrote:@Stal: How do you know Heyman is indi and not scum? Secondly what is the difference as far as we are concerned?
I know because heyman is not spelled shield.

The diffrence is in tendencies of all "anti town" faction players.

A "anti town" faction player will not know the identity of all "anti town" faction players, this will effect their decision making AND should effect our judgment.

For example, it okay to say "i get scummy vibes from X because blah blah blah" This is okay and can refer to both factions of anti town.

I cant precise it better

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:47 pm
by Svenskt Stål
In post 1401, ferretlover wrote:Okay.
  1. Nobody can know, unless they are one.
  2. Indies are possibly not a threat to us; while scum faction(s) definitely are a threat.
Heymans are def a threat. I would be very suprised if heymans didnt have killing power.

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:49 pm
by Svenskt Stål
In post 1403, ferretlover wrote:The only Indies that I can think of that want Town dead are Survivors and SK's.

And drug dealers
No.

I think the pm for the heymans says that they win when they reach parity with town and nothing can stop them... so in that sense I view them just the same as shield.

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:50 pm
by Svenskt Stål
In post 1404, Skullduggery wrote:Once again:
In post 1396, Skullduggery wrote:If GCBC was self-aligned, he would not have flipped "Heyman-Aligned Rolecop." He would have flipped "Self-Aligned Rolecop."

I love your posts.

Who do you trust so far?

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:51 pm
by Svenskt Stål
In post 1405, ferretlover wrote:But what if there was a faction that didn't have a NK? That would make sense in GCBC's case.
This is speculation that we might get answered tonight.

I dont understand the connection to gcbc.

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:53 pm
by Svenskt Stål
In post 1407, ferretlover wrote:You can't just "disregard" someone in a game like Mafia. You have to read everything and make logical, educated decisions. If you just "disregard" Nero because he suspects you then you will definitely be seen as scum.
Good post.

I actually told goat to ignore nero for awhile, in the cases where goat is town he have to be in a stress free environment. =)

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:09 pm
by ferretlover
But Mafia is a stressful game...

So you're saying that Shield and Heymans are kind of like Mafia and Werewolf? I guess we'll find out tonight...

Lynch Suspects! Who shalt thy lyncheth?

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:12 pm
by The Goat
In post 1407, ferretlover wrote:
You can't just "disregard" someone in a game like Mafia.
You have to read everything and make logical, educated decisions. If you just "disregard" Nero because he suspects you then you will definitely be seen as scum.
Wanna bet?

I'm gonna chill out for a couple days, like I said. You and he got under my skin.

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:16 pm
by Svenskt Stål
No dont chill, you have been chilling, focus on other stuff, ignore them.

Give me stuff.

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:42 pm
by xMALCOLMx
In post 1357, Doctor C Niall DeMencha wrote:@Malcolm: top three players you'd lynch?
That's not how I play. You and RatedR are lesser suspects, however.
In post 1357, Doctor C Niall DeMencha wrote:By the way, @whoever said I was one-way sniping, 100% right. I'm convinced Krabs slot is scum and Mutt has done nothing to dissipate this. It's worrying how fast the wagon collapsed -people on it must not have believed in it. Will re-read.
Tunneling one player isn't effective as more than 1 person is scum on day 1. The Mut wagon stalled. We've pretty much gone past the initial deadline, so if it was gonna happen, it would've happened. I'm currently voting other options but whoever you believe in being scum, present your case and vote?
In post 1415, ferretlover wrote:So you're saying that Shield and Heymans are kind of like Mafia and Werewolf? I guess we'll find out tonight...
hmm..didn't someone refer to this as a werewolf game before gcbc flipped?

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:42 pm
by xMALCOLMx
[Kise]

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:45 pm
by Svenskt Stål
There is also the case of scum having a harder time to move their votes and changing their reads. Thats true for me atleast.

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:46 pm
by Svenskt Stål
So say that someone is tunneling on someoneelse for 2 weeks, thats not a good look

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:48 pm
by Nero Cain
Jesus Christ, stop being such a fucking baby, Goat.

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:52 pm
by Amethyst Actor
Dad here,

And My brain is full of WTF is going on?

Right now I agree with Mom that whoever is playing Krabs now (I forgot the player's name Mutley I think?) is likely scum and that Stal is prob scum for the reason that he "knew it was multiball from the beginning," YET "knows nothing about wrestling..." Which I confess I know little about it too... But my automatic assumption wasn't that it was multiball, I actually assumed that the scumteam would consist of 5 or 6 players.

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 5:01 pm
by Svenskt Stål
Fantastic stuff as usuall AA.

Not.