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Post Post #1400 (ISO) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:30 pm

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Post Post #1401 (ISO) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:34 pm

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I dont understand, but I'm going to try to put this game out of my mind. I don't understand why they didn't kill to make the game end and I don't even want to think about this right now.
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Post Post #1402 (ISO) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:36 pm

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2 scum it is then. gut reaction points to gamma and the fact that he was preparing for d4 the entire day, continued to act like he wasnt confirmed town even after the porkens lynch and brought up 2 scum as a possibility and was very eager to quickly dismiss it at the slightest "really?" from me. im not completely sold on it not being linger though and i could just be confbiasing. tammy i still think is most likely town. i dont think (im sayin that with 1 of those faces where youre not entirely convinced but you really just want that to be the case) her stuff was faked. she probably would have been a little more over the top with it if she were scum.
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Post Post #1403 (ISO) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:37 pm

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In post 1401, Tammy wrote:I dont understand, but I'm going to try to put this game out of my mind. I don't understand why they didn't kill to make the game end and I don't even want to think about this right now.
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Post Post #1404 (ISO) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:42 pm

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they didn't kill. they should have cuz the game would end. but why didn't they?
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Post Post #1405 (ISO) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:47 pm

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because theres only 1 scum left. if it was 2:2 the game would be over
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Post Post #1406 (ISO) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:50 pm

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maybe its 2:1:1 with like a survivor or something? but theres most definitely only one mafia left or the games done and spyrex isnt the kind of mod to play out a pointless day
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Post Post #1407 (ISO) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:51 pm

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that's weird.

also kanye, if I'm ever able to fka ethe amount of turmoil I went through the past few hours in trying to get it right for town, I don't just want a don corleone nomination and win, I expect people to knock on the oscar committee's doors and push through a nomination here. And guess what? That's not happening.
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Post Post #1408 (ISO) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:30 pm

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is it possible that it's still two scum who weren't given a night kill past night two because of the two mason suicide kills?
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Post Post #1409 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:38 am

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tammy if theres 2 scum left and only 2 town we CANNOT get a majority on scum. spyrex is not the kind of mod who would allow the game to continue in that situation just for shits and giggles.
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Post Post #1410 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:52 am

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Okay so I was thinking maybe there was a mafia traitor that didn't know the mafia and maybe that's why but then that would be stupid too because the traitor could just out himself and force a no majority. But then plurality lynch is the thing and usually in a tie of two whoever got to the highest number first works. So if two of us feels like we know who the other two is then we could beat them to it?

I also for a second thought that maybe we didn't have mafia alive but there were nightkills after fate was killed so that's dumb there's still mafia.

In the case of a survivor wouldn't town just have won outright though? I mean there would be one mafia and two town so the survivor would be with the town, right? Maybe I don't know how survivors work.

Also I was also thinking about a potential lyncher but in that case we pretty much have no chance to win right? If we choose the lyncher, mafia kills one of us and then wins so our only chance is to get the mafia. right?

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Post Post #1411 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:10 am

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it theres a survivor the day still has to play out since the survivor could vote either way and town doesnt know who the mafia is. town can lynch mafia and the town can still mislynch. if theres a lyncher and he needs to lynch town he can just claim that and have mafia vote with him. i thought more about the various possibilities last night and i just dont see anything other than one mafia + three town or one mafia + two town + one not explicitly antitown third party as being the case here.
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Post Post #1412 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:10 am

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any combination that has 2 mafia means that mafia should have just endgamed us
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Post Post #1413 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:19 pm

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kanye if you don't think me making fun of you for having a scum read is not me making fun of being conf. town to you i dunno what you were expecting

also making non-obvious insights to setup stuff scum would know is something i'm pretty sure i've never done intentionally as scum and never ever plan to? It's not even remotely worth the possible tiny town boost and it's a dumb trap for people who want to try to be right about everything and think that doing that will make people think they're town somehow

@tammy-possible third party stuff doesn't matter, if there is one then shrug, if there isn't one then also shrug. there's nothing that can be done about it now that there's only 4 players left so the best thing to do is just ignore the possibility and assume that there's only 2 scum in the setup.

i'm going to drink and enjoy the snow tonight and then follow my own advice and go through most of the game again probably tomorrow. i'd like it if other people would do the same.
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Post Post #1414 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:18 pm

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okay, I was thinking about this while cleaning tonight and I'm thinking it's lnngggrrrr. I think everyone else really sounded like we thought the decision last night was the final one. At least that's what I think right now. Lnnnggggrrrr is really the only one that I didn't get that sense of urgency about things from. I mean he did say things like Porkens deserved to win which would suggest an expectation for the game to end, but unless kanye is really good at faking it, which I do think he's good at faking things, and gamma too, they all sounded like they expected it to either end yesterday or continue with us looking for the third scum. Also, I kind think his talking about the setup sounds like he thinks it's an unfair setup, which I could see coming from scum. idk
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Also, I'm not going to have time to actually reread through the game before Friday/Saturday probably.
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Post Post #1415 (ISO) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:24 pm

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If you lynch me, the game is over, period.

Regarding my reaction, frankly, I'm just aggravated at this game. There's no solid reads to go off of, no vote count analysis, no super towny people, no anything. I want the game to be over, preferably with a town win, but over one way or another. I mean, if there's only 2 scum then I guess the game is balanced (because scum can't win D2, and it gives town 3 mislynches which seems to be the norm), but I'm not a fan of the low powered game.

Scum lies somewhere between Kanye and Gamma. The argument for Kanye is that Kanye himself said there was a dichotomy between Porkens and himself, plus I didn't like his avoidance of my questions earlier. The case against him is, why would he say there was a dichotomy if he was scum, if he knew (and I'm assuming he would) that it wasn't LyLo? Sure, there's some WIFOM involved in that but it doesn't make a lot of sense.

The case against Gamma is that he has been waffly all day, he ended up lynching Porkens who was town, and he just has been a complete non-factor and active lurker. Hasn't pushed cases, hasn't firmly called anyone town, just floating.

Tammy, listen to yourself. You say, "Unless Kanye is really good at faking it, which I do think he's good at faking things"... so, why even use that as a point for him? lol That makes no sense. If you're going to vote me, at the least read my ISO instead of relying on one read from yesterday before you vote. If you vote me it's not the end of the game (because there can only be one scum left, and I don't see a good reason for a survivor-type to hop on a quickhammer), but since you're the only one I trust as town, I would like to be on the same page.
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Post Post #1416 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:32 am

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Lnnngggrrrr I'm not voting anyone until I read through the game again. I won't have time to start doing that before tomorrow/Saturday though.
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Post Post #1417 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:53 pm

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Sure.
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Post Post #1418 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:45 pm

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yeah spent yesterday throwing snowballs at people and today getting a few things done then having a break day so i'll make a post that isn't non-game garbage tomorrow night (possibly pretty late into the night but it'll happen)
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Post Post #1419 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:05 pm

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i got around to looking at linger. 1261 is definitely weird setup spec that i could see coming from scum, and he definitely didnt really seem to care that much about who was lynched d3 but still wanted to perpetuate the 1v1 and split the wagons to make it look legit. 1271 is also weird to come from town who believes this is lylo since gamma is basically confirmed scum to him. and i really cant find any logic that lead him to vote me over porkens either, considering he spent the entire day going "gosh i dunno who to vote gamma porkens and kanye are all sos cummy." he spent a lot of the early day urging someone else to vote first: this is what i expect scum to do here. if he can convince another player to vote first he gets a free trip through the day based on everyone thinking its lylo.

so basically i can imagine both scenarios where either gamma or linger are scum. tammy ive ruled out because while i do think she could sort of fake her d3 stuff, i think she would have been a lot more over the top with it and not very convincing. also her play today feels subtly different than when she played dumb as scum before, more like shes trying to figure shit out rather than the "i dont get it!!!" that i got from her as scum.
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Post Post #1420 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:13 pm

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In post 1415, LnGrrrR wrote: Scum lies somewhere between Kanye and Gamma. The argument for Kanye is that Kanye himself said there was a dichotomy between Porkens and himself. The case against him is, why would he say there was a dichotomy if he was scum, if he knew (and I'm assuming he would) that it wasn't LyLo? Sure, there's some WIFOM involved in that but it doesn't make a lot of sense.
can you explain how this makes me maybe scum?
, plus I didn't like his avoidance of my questions earlier
can you also explain the scum motivation in me avoiding your early questions (with the reminder that i did in fact answer the question you repeated, but merely did not correct your assumption)
The case against Gamma is that he has been waffly all day, he ended up lynching Porkens who was town, and he just has been a complete non-factor and active lurker. Hasn't pushed cases, hasn't firmly called anyone town, just floating.
can you explain how gamma helping lynch porkens implicates him as scum?
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Post Post #1421 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:16 pm

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In post 1375, Gammagooey wrote:don't troll tammy like that

bad kanye

tammy i'm still town
okay i read this again and actually feel a little better about gamma. for some reason i remembered it as being more of a "im town dont lsiten to him im not scum w. kanye" but actually its just a completely reasonable "kanyes trolling" (sorry again tammy lmao)

im gonna eat dinner and then reread gammas d3
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Post Post #1422 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:22 pm

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Kanye, I voted you for two main reasons: avoiding my question earlier, and Gamma, who I thought was scummy, voted for Porkens. I wanted to see who Gamma voted for that reason.

And I was fine with ending the Day because we were literally going around in circles. What info were we getting? Just a bunch of WIFOM and no strong cases.

Kanye, the whole dichotomy thing could've been a subconscious slip, or maybe a gambit. Don't know you well enough as a player. It's grasping at straws but that's all I have right now. Re: the question, I would've preferred a simple T/S list, and it bugs me when people don't give easy lists. It's not necessarily scummy, but I think that responding to requests helps town more often than not.

Gamma lynching Porkens... eh I guess it doesn't implicate him, since if there's only one scum left and lynching you would've led to the same thing.

Here's how it looks: it's either you Kanye, playing very well as scum; or it's Gamma, just trying to lurk his way to a win without sharing any strong reads or info throughout the game. Not sure which one it is, and frankly, I have no idea which it is. If we are going to lose, I think you have done more to earn it Kanye, so I am leaning towards Gamma.

Does anyone here have an actual case? Against anyone? This game is frustrating as all heck.
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Post Post #1423 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:30 pm

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Players not voting: Gammagooey, kanyeknowsbest, LnGrrrR, Tammy

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Post Post #1424 (ISO) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:33 am

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Yeah trolling me wasn't nice :(

I started rereading this last night but fell asleep. I dreamed I was a serial killer though! So apparently I really have no clue who scum is and am subconsciously doubting my own alignment.

Anyway, hopefully I will get through this today. Um have I mentioned yet how much I wish we didn't lose fate so early? Or that seanald was completely gone? Some interactions to go off of would be nice.
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