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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:59 pm
by mastin2
Dr Pants wrote:better phrasing perhaps: given how day 2 went down, who was the most likely vig target that night if there was one?
Speaking objectively (as in, not what I subjectively as a vig would do), zMuffinman of course. Lead D2 wagon, saved by moderator error, widely suspected and if the vig is among those suspecting him, perfect shot.

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:04 pm
by Dr Pants
mastin2 wrote:
Frankly, as a vig it'd be tempting to not shoot at all, but I'm sort-of thinking you're asking about the possibility of an even-night vig which would be a specific role, and if I got that, I'd of course think that I'm supposed to shoot using it and would take a shot. Who, I dunno, my largest scumread maybe? Perhaps my second-largest if I thought the scum were onto me being a vig. I'd have to check what my reads were D2 to see, but from memory the player that profile would fit would be Bookittty, yet once zMuffinman replaced in, I'd have avoided shooting him, and shot elsewhere. So whoever my second/third scumreads were. Xisi, SKOT, think it'd probably have been one of them.


ok town has stalled enough and we're likely close enough to lylo for this to be ok.

I'm a 2-shot vig. Given the ways both day 1 and day 2 went, I decided to use my vig shots to catch up town since both lynches ended up being non-informative for town.

Night 1, I shot PV. This is also why I spent day 2 pushing people who were questioning his death.

Night 2, I shot Bookitty. This is one reason why I was skeptical of Vezok being town. Since Bookitty was the most likely lynch, I figured if that slot was scum then it would be protected. You'll notice that Bookitty/Muffin is very alive in this game. Does this add anything to how you think about Muffin?

I'm a glorified VT now. I had basically no suspicion on me anyways, so its not like I become any more or less of a target. And if scum kills me over Ven/Majiffy, then thats a win for town.

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:05 pm
by Dr Pants
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Muffin

I'll stop being ego pants and go back to smart pants

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:07 pm
by mastin2
Yep, saw that coming.

Did you ask the mod what happens if you're roleblocked?
'Cause you DID hint at your role D2, and if you were roleblocked, that'd be why zMuffinman's still alive.

If you keep your shot when blocked but still lost it, then it's time for a zMuffinman claim.
...Actually, before you answer, it's time for a zMuffinman claim and THEN you answer.

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:08 pm
by Dr Pants
yup

this is why I've been yelling for his lynch for 2 days

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:11 pm
by zMuffinMan
i'm VT

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:12 pm
by zMuffinMan
some black dude

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:12 pm
by mastin2
Oh, and thought.

N1, either vezok saved Messiah or scum didn't shoot.
You'd expect some marking of kill overlaps given flavored deaths.
Scum couldn't have shot a commuting Antihero, since he didn't know the game was going.
Thus, save or no-shoot.

The latter's unlikely since no scumteam combo I can realistically come up with misses the deadline for a kill.
Thus, former's more likely; Messiah's town.

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:13 pm
by Dr Pants
I lost my vig shot on night 2

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:14 pm
by mastin2
In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6134262#p6134262]post 1406[/url], zMuffinMan wrote:some black dude
Would love specifics.

Anyway, I actually do have theories running through my mind. Not impossible for zMuffinman to be town, though I think that even if I think he's town (Meh, not sure yet), he's objectively the right lynch today. Need to think things through with a clearer head.

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:15 pm
by zMuffinMan
savino bratten if flavour matters

and i have no idea why i didn't die if you shot me so whatever

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:15 pm
by mastin2
Dr Pants wrote:I lost my vig shot on night 2
Did you ask the mod what would happen if you were roleblocked, though?

As in, "If I was roleblocked, would I lose my shot?".

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:17 pm
by mastin2
(Basically, want to run things through my head. This extra info is a push in the right direction since it kickstarts stuff, but I need to make sure that if we lynch zMuffinman and he turns up town, it's not a waste.)

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:17 pm
by Dr Pants
i didnt

@ Toast: if RB'd do I lose my shot?

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:18 pm
by mastin2
(So need some time to think things through.
Best done after time away from the computer.
So while I'm here, hanging around, don't expect serious thoughts on it until I've had time to mentally 'cool down' so to speak. Brain's firing too many neurons right now.)

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:18 pm
by mastin2
Dr Pants wrote:
@ Toast: if RB'd do I lose my shot?
He's not gonna answer publicly; you'll need to ask privately.

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:20 pm
by Dr Pants
@ Toast: answer privately

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:22 pm
by mastin2
(By the way, if an x-shot BP got shot N2, now's the time to claim it.
Also, one theory that entered my head was a redirector targeting vezok N2 to zMuffinman, so if any role like that exists, now's ALSO the time to claim it, what with the whole thing in consideration and all.
'Nother is of course a scum JK, but like I said, theories are a spinning; need to give my mind time to process them and systematically go through the probabilities.
Correct play is PROBABLY barring one of the first to bearing fruit to lynch zMuffinman, but I also need time to process THAT.)

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:05 pm
by TheAdrienC
If I know who roleblocker him, is that information I should reveal?

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:08 pm
by Dr Pants
yeah that would be important

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:08 pm
by zMuffinMan
if it pertains to night two, yes

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:10 pm
by TheAdrienC
Ah. My info is for night three. Never mind.

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:13 pm
by zMuffinMan
still possibly relevant if you know someone roleblocked him

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:15 pm
by TheAdrienC
I'm a watcher. I don't know what he did, all I know is SKOT visited Dr Pants night three. I thought if he was roleblocked that night, it would be a reason to go to him. Without knowing what the action was, info is kinda useless.

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:15 pm
by TheAdrienC
UNVOTE: