Open 583: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[mastin2]

Anti, not exactly buying beast's attitude anymore if you didn't notice.

Still, copper's scum, soooooo...yeah.

[Heartless]

MAAAASSSSTIIIINNNNNN

tell me i'm pretty

[vettrock]

Barring Team making a PR claim, one of copper, BBT, or me is scum and lying about their role. I'm leaning toward BBT, but given the power roles they claimed, I think copper is the safer lynch for town. If he truely is town, BBT is scum and he can venge kill him. If he flips scum, BBT can hide behind someone to escape the nightkill which makes him a safer PR to leave in the game.

I'm likely to be nightkilled. But will say if both flip town, I will 100% say you can lynch me. Unless someone is lying about their claim, one of the two has to be scum.

VOTE: copper

[Heartless]

BEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTT

WHERE DID YOU GO?

i wanted to feel your warm embrace while you whisper sweet nothings in my ear

instead, i feel nothing except the

coldness

and

loneliness

of the

dark

[beastcharizard]

sat on the sidelines twiddling their thumbs and came in to hammer like Beast did

You hammered the damn wagon, not me. This is so bad.

[beastcharizard]

The meta arguments he's making aren't true, and baffling given our game histories. As Antihero already pointed out, beastcharizard never played in Open 573. However, he did play an open game with us quite recently: Open 576.1: The Enemy of My Enemy. Saying me doing most of the posting is a scum tell for us is ridiculous and doesn't stand up to the mildest application of logic. First of all, our posting distribution was fairly even in Open 573 and we weren't exactly playing to our scum metas in that game either. And in the game beast was in, Open 576.1, we were posting fairly evenly until Day 3, which I was doing almost all the posting. We were town in that game.

Lets just out this now. I was MonkeyMan in that game. You know, the one who roleblocked your kill. So I did read the game and I was part of it.

[beastcharizard]

HOLY shit

do u think this is tth?

because i'm jstu fucking drooling out my anus at this point if you do

I know your mannerisms now. Also, I just thought it would be fun to call you an asshole. I don't actually think you are one but the oppurtinity was to good to pass up.

[beastcharizard]

BBT said he was going to go back into hiding after whining about nobody wanting to help him kill Aneninen

Did he say this in the PT yall share??

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 2.6

killapenwin (0) -
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - Heartless
Heartless (1) - beastcharizard
copper223 (2) - mastin2, vettrock
vettrock (0) -
Aneninen (0) -
Wickedestjr (0) -
beastcharizard (2) - killapenwin, Wickedestjr
Tean Samargo (0) -
mastin2 (1) - BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting: Tean Samargo, Aneninen, copper223

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is Tuesday, February 3rd at 10:30 pm PST which is in (expired on 2015-02-03 22:30:00)

[beastcharizard]

IIPHKTT

Cooper: Vengeful
BBT: Hide
Vettrock: 1-shot Tracker
Beast: VT
Mastin: VT
Heartless: VT
Anen: VT
Killa: VT
Wicked:
Tean:

This is where I am at. After the last two claims I might introduce a tin-foil hat theory for the scum team.

Town:
Anen
Mastin
Vettrock
Killa

Null:
Wicked
Tean

Scum:
Cooper
Heartless
BBT

Those are my reads. No this isn't my tin-foil hat scum team and one of the nulls is probably SK.

[beastcharizard]

I freaking show up and no one is here?

[Wickedestjr]

Caught up.

Still think we should have reaction tested Tean's replacement, but it's too late now.

I am a VT.

Thoughts coming

[mastin2]

tell me i'm pretty

You're pretty, you're oh so pretty~

[copper223]

@Vettrock
That's very disingenuous as you being alive if we both flip town means the game is over, I'm thinking of going on you.

@Beast
Your reads don't make sense, I want you lynched.

@Mastin
Also needs to be lynched, if you are town and Vettrock is a PR you should be embarassed, you would have managed to be the most mafia sided player this game, but it's a pretty sure thing to me you are scum.

If I can't make up my mind I might shoot 1 of these two.

[Wickedestjr]

But seriously, because Organic Chemistry was the exception proving the rule: when I am town, damn right any attempt to lynch me is gonna be scumdriven. Organic Chemistry had odd circumstances surrounding it, which are absent from this game. There, players knew me but I had just changed my style. Here, most do not, thus, this is their first full introduction to me.

Fair point.


The copper vs. BBT exchange was really weird. BBT's side doesn't really make sense for him as either alignment - the amount of 'derp' is hard to believe if he's town, but I also have trouble seeing him play so carelessly as scum. I am inclined to think his recent play has been genuine 'derp' but there's a considerable possibility he's scum trying to feign carelessness for town points. Regardless, if he's town, he needs to get his head in the game.

I'm not crazy about copper's posts in that exchange either. Specifically, copper's claim that he will request BBT's ban for his anti-town behavior if he's town is really suspect. Note that copper read BBT as scum at the time - so why would he be thinking about banning BBT if and when he flips town? He read BBT as scum and he believed BBT was ruining the game for town (by trying to get copper lynched without reading). If copper

really

thought BBT was scum then how would BBT's 'ruining of the game for town' lead to an intent to request banning (something copper would only do if BBT flipped town)? I would expect it to simply strengthen copper's scum read on him, because 'ruining the game for town' would fit perfectly in line with the scum read he already had at the time. His ban statement is a completely unnatural response for townCopper. On the contrary, it is a perfectly natural protective response from scumCopper (criticizing BBT's vote for him - it clearly worked because BBT switched his vote). I think this is a strong point, but I fear that I explained it poorly. Does it make sense?

I am growing significantly more confident in my scumCopper read right now. For that, and everything else, I am going to

Unvote. Vote: copper

.

[Wickedestjr]

I am

still

liking my beast/copper/Tean theory.

Really weak point: beast's consistent misspelling of copper's name (unless they have a prior experience that explains this) feels like it could be distancing.

I really want to know what Tean claims... it's pretty important.

Mod: Could we have an extension until Tean has been replaced?

[copper223]

Nope, this and the other point you brought up previously about missing the setup don't make sense because they are not alignment indivative or hint at me being town, you are definitely the same alignment as Vettrock so this makes me want to shoot him more.

I want a poll from each of you about who I should shoot, between the PR's and someone else if you think it would be better (if so add why).

[Wickedestjr]

Nope, this and the other point you brought up previously about missing the setup don't make sense because they are not alignment indivative or hint at me being town

I need to reread your setup speculation - I'll get back to you on this. The point I just brought up IS alignment indicative because your intent to ban BBT (if he flips town) is out of place / doesn't resemble town thinking if you also thought BBT is scum - it makes much more sense from a scum protective mindset, criticizing BBT's play to deflect his vote.

you are definitely the same alignment as Vettrock so this makes me want to shoot him more.

You are almost certainly right, but vettrock is an awful shot (I seriously don't understand how anyone can scum read him right now). Please explain your thinking.

[Aneninen]

I'm off the work and I must admit that I haven't read the latest posts thoroughly. (I've found Wicked's claim, though.)

Later today I'll write a longer post. But for doing so, I must ask this: what do you all think the possibility of a PR-claim from the Tean slot is?

Also, Vettrock: have you written somewhere whom you Tracked? (If so, please, repeat it.)

[copper223]

He said he did not use his shot.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I really like Wicked's 1414, not sure how I missed that.

VOTE: Copper

[mastin2]

I really like Wicked's 1414, not sure how I missed that.

Oi, I made it first, just in less specific words, more general terms, and at the time thinking you were scum, but made it all the same!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

My apologies, I skimmed the thread so I must have missed it.

I really like Mastin's *insert post number here* (even though she is scum-reading me)

Better?

[mastin2]

I really like Wicked's 1414, not sure how I missed that.

VOTE: Copper

Little bit, yeah.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

1229 - Heartless, can you explain the town-read on Anen?

1234 - Copper, in 1189 you were scum-reading Heartless. Here, they are no longer in your scum-reads. How did that happen?

1236 - Nah, I just derped pretty badly. I was/am playing in too many games and it's massively effecting my ability to play well. My own fault really. I keep forgetting we're in an Open set-up, obviously you cannot be scum and vengeful, just a pretty bad derp from me.

1237 - Wait, so you see

some

remote things that Mastin might not be scum, you see

very, very few

where Tean isn't and then you vote me based on associatives? That's pretty weak.