In post 13, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay so scum team is dragon, crazy and eggman. Thoughts?
So you think the scumteam in a 13-player game would be three people?
In post 267, Eggman wrote:I WAS looking for an answer there, although the intent seems to have not come across. Every mod can do things differently, as well, so I wouldn't know the exact ratio of a 13-player game, hence the question.
Would like to revisit this now. Eggman, were you of the opinion that a 13-player game would have a two-player scum team? Did you think there would be multiple scum teams?
2.)
atm487, please answer my questions from yesterday:
Why did you use the language that you "know for a fact" Creature is Town?
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b.)
Could you please rephrase your Eggman vote? Do you have anything to add to this vote now?
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c.)
Why do you seem so eager for an Eggman lynch? (See Post #405 and Post #573)? And further, do you agree that there is an "objectively sound case" on Creature?
3.)
Creature,
In post 1379, Creature wrote:F-oh-ex, wtf, if there's an SK we're literally on a MyLo.
Mind explaining why you think this?
4.)
Eggman, could you summarize your case on Smithereens?
5.)
MarioManiac4, could you try to honestly summarize how you think you play as Town, how you think you play as scum, and then how you think you have played this game?
Additionally, what would you say you more commonly claim when you are scum? Do you tend towards claiming power roles?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:26 am
by Creature
I find it very unlikely a vigilante would shoot Dwlee99 or Robbnva, therefore I believe there's an SK.
6:3:1
Mislynch
5:3:1
2 town deaths
3:3:1
And then we're kingmakers (we could still win but that'd be complicated).
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:49 am
by petroleumjelly
In post 1379, Creature wrote:F-oh-ex, wtf, if there's an SK we're literally on a MyLo.
In post 1401, Creature wrote:I find it very unlikely a vigilante would shoot Dwlee99 or Robbnva, therefore I believe there's an SK.
6:3:1
Mislynch
5:3:1
2 town deaths
3:3:1
And then we're kingmakers (we could still win but that'd be complicated).
Let's add some definitions. MYLO means "mislynch and lose." This is different from LYLO ("lynch or lose") in that MYLO does not
require
a correct lynch; No-Lynching may theoretically be the best option. There are some issues with your statement:
First, in the situation where there is a Serial Killer, you are assuming the opposing scumgroup is three people. It is very possible it is two people.
Second, you are assuming in the case of a mislynch today that there will be two town deaths, as opposed to potential crosskills, prevented kills, or a double-kill.
Third, you started Day Two with a vote for atm487, but then chastised F-oh-ex for placing the first vote on you because we are "literally in MYLO." There are all sorts of issues with this:
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a.)
It takes six votes to reach a majority today. Why are you so concerned about a single vote on yourself? Even if we were in LYLO (which to be clear is much worse than MYLO), we would still be safe having two votes on a single player since even a scumgroup of three players could not force through a lynch.
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b.)
If you're so concerned with single votes, I would think you would not also start off the day with a vote (especially before you are done 'gamesolving'). You also did not chastise Eggman for his Smithereens vote.
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c.)
If you are concerned about
multiple
votes on yourself, why did you not chastise Dragon of the West for placing the second vote on you?
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d.)
There is no proof we are "literally in MYLO." Even in the worst-case-scenario of 3 mafia and 1 Serial Killer, you are assuming the worst-case-scenario in nightkills. That is not how MYLO works.
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Your exaggerated concern for MYLO is just making me think you have more information about the set-up, which implies you are scum.
MarioManiac4, could you try to honestly summarize how you think you play as Town, how you think you play as scum, and then how you think you have played this game?
Additionally, what would you say you more commonly claim when you are scum? Do you tend towards claiming power roles?
I think my play as Town varies depending on the gamestate. Sometimes I just fail to get in, sometimes I chase someone looking to get out of RVS and sometimes I just chill and pick out things that are scummy. I can't really give you only one answer for that.
As for scum, I usually pick out someone to tunnel and pick on them actively for the first few days.
I think in this game, life has got through, I haven't got a foothold, and my play has been poor as a result.
As scum, I've never really been in a position where I were to claim D1 but if I were, I could claim VT or PR depending on the situation. Like, if PRs had already claimed I would claim VT, but if we had safeclaims I'd claim PR. In the majority of games in which it'd be even I would most likely follow my scumbuddies.
My trust in Creature's sure-of-himself reads is pretty much non-existent
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:27 am
by F-oh-ex
Creature is just a scum who thinks if he acts obnoxious enough, it'll be a towntell.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:44 am
by Creature
Did you get Smith flu?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:44 am
by Creature
petroleumjelly
2 mafia members + 1 serial killer in a 13 player setup looks anti-mafia.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:51 am
by Creature
Actually, forget my town read on F-oh-ex, he seems to be following an agenda now.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:52 am
by Creature
If F-oh-ex is scum, it'd make DotW look pretty town.
Scum team: F-oh-ex/atm487/petroleumjelly
SK: DrippingGoofball (not posting anything? scum)
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:54 am
by Creature
petroleumjelly
I don't disconsider possibilities, now that I've likely got the town and scum team correctly, I wouldn't be surprised to see two town deaths.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:02 am
by F-oh-ex
In post 1409, Creature wrote:Actually, forget my town read on F-oh-ex, he seems to be following an agenda now.
Since when did you townread me LMAO
Also, I've been scumreading you for a good 10 IRL days now. I dropped it to get majority lynch. Now that I go back to lynching you, you're saying I "follow an agenda"?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:03 am
by MarioManiac4
petroleum makes an excellent point in #1400, by the way. now that it's very likely we have a SK, the chances of egg being both sk and mafia rise, because if there are 2 mafia, and he hasn't played a 13p before, he might not bother to find out the normal number- or he might think that when there's sk there should be two mafia.
in which case he was entirely correct. 9v3v1;
*Mafia gets lynched; 9v2v1
*Two town die; 7v2v1
*Mafia gets lynched; 5v2v1
*Two town die again; 3v1v1
*Mafia gets lynched; 3v1
*A town dies; 2v1
Just like that, without mislynching, town is in LYLO. 3maf/1sk puts the game into nightplay way too much and needs some serious townpower to counteract it even if mini normals didn't already lean towards being scumsided.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:46 am
by Derek12
In post 1410, Creature wrote:If F-oh-ex is scum, it'd make DotW look pretty town.
Scum team: F-oh-ex/atm487/petroleumjelly
SK: DrippingGoofball (not posting anything? scum)
What's your case on petroleum? I'm pretty sure you were townreading him D1.
2 mafia members + 1 serial killer in a 13 player setup looks anti-mafia.
Then I don't trust your definition of balance very much. You also rather ignored all of the other reasons why even assuming there is a Serial Killer this is not "literally MYLO."
And please answer my question: what do you think of Eggman?
2.)
In post 1418, F-oh-ex wrote:On one hand SK will probably try to target Mafia. On the other one, eliminating him would get us rid of one NK.
In just about all cases we are
much
better off lynching mafia over a Serial Killer. If you need a more detailed explanation, please ask.
Please just read the game. While I agree with the sentiment that scum are more likely to hunt for a Serial Killer, it is similarly likely that scum would hunt for a hints at a potential Vigilante, which your questions are skirting.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:18 pm
by Derek12
In post 1410, Creature wrote:If F-oh-ex is scum, it'd make DotW look pretty town.
Could you explain this quickly?
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I really want to ISO DoTW, Eggman, and Fo-Oh-Ex. I'll get on that tomorrow.