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In post 593, Grib wrote:Also your catchup helps us learn precisely nil about your thought process and how you arrived at the reads you have. Your keyen read is incredibly fencesitty.

In post 1241, Grib wrote:Hey camntsuki, is he scum or do you just not like him?

In post 1250, Grib wrote:

In post 1243, camntsuki wrote:I think my partner doesn't like him.

also...
for real, please lynch us. pay attention to our wagon after the flip.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: camntsuki

Can you talk to me about why you would do this as town?

In post 1281, Grib wrote:"I don't want to talk to you because you're scum" is also incredibly dumb, unproductive, not to mention frustrating. I'd like to improve my read on them via direct interactions, talking about other people, and they're making it impossible.

Besides being pissy with me for calling them scum, I see absolutely zero evidence/indication that they actually think I'm mafia and want me lynched /for that reason/.

I also have a lot to say about the quality of town play on this site if they (or my other scumreads) turn out to be town, but that would make me sound even more insufferable than you all probably think I am so I'll keep that to myself.

Some of this is more me bitching about camntsuki's refusal to elaborate on anything, but it's the same sentiment, I think.

In post 1346, farside22 wrote:Imp: I'm curious what your scum reads are besides mj and waco.

I'm not the biggest fan of DS because he still hasn't done anything that I have to squint to see coming from as scum; his latest pursuits (BRO, you need to post more so people can read you!) have impressed me as in I have no idea how someone could be active as DS is, but still have absolutely no investment in the day itself. I liked his accusation of key because it seemed better than the rest of his posting combined, but I'd be a lot happier with the slot if the rest of his posting looked like that.

Also not sure about Magna; I remember skimming that he had a response to us more recently and I'll probably have a clearer view there but I think he's getting bogged down in dislike of different players and their treatment of him (which is reasonable enough, okay), but the conviction on them being scum isn't there to the degree it's been in literally every interaction I've had with Magna ever.

In post 1400, Grib wrote:Some of this is more me bitching about camntsuki's refusal to elaborate on anything, but it's the same sentiment, I think.

As engaging? I don't really think so.
My point is that most of your attempts to engage with camntsuki are in reality slinging shit at them; the one fair question they answered but things like "you're making it impossible to read you!" aren't going to get a productive response from anyone 99% of the time and "your catchup gives us nothing" is not exactly the start to a beautiful mutually beneficial relationship.

In post 1401, Imperium wrote:

In post 1346, farside22 wrote:Imp: I'm curious what your scum reads are besides mj and waco.

I'm not the biggest fan of DS because he still hasn't done anything that I have to squint to see coming from as scum; his latest pursuits (BRO, you need to post more so people can read you!) have impressed me as in I have no idea how someone could be active as DS is, but still have absolutely no investment in the day itself. I liked his accusation of key because it seemed better than the rest of his posting combined, but I'd be a lot happier with the slot if the rest of his posting looked like that.

Also not sure about Magna; I remember skimming that he had a response to us more recently and I'll probably have a clearer view there but I think he's getting bogged down in dislike of different players and their treatment of him (which is reasonable enough, okay), but the conviction on them being scum isn't there to the degree it's been in literally every interaction I've had with Magna ever.

but if your question was more "who are you willing to lynch?" my answer is still most of the game. I don't at all mind BRO's or camntsuki's mindset of thinning down the game a bit before making a more concentrated effort to gamesolve, but my preferred lynches are more people like Waco or any of the lurkers that both fail to produce or fail to anything that looks vaguely town to latch onto.

In post 1358, keyenpeydee wrote:Because I am 60% scum reading him.

...I was hoping more that I could get an answer for why you were 60% scumreading him...

In post 1360, Transcend wrote:How long has this day been going on for @Diamond

Waco vote sucks and has "easy nacho scapegoat" written all over it.

This sounds like someone with familiarity with my play.
Do you know me? Do you hate the wagon just because it feels easy? Or do you hate the wagon because of something you see in Waco's posts?

In post 1367, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Frankly I don’t think there is much to discuss. You basically asserted that no-one was able to read Snarky successfully. And a whole bunch of Null to Scum players took that ball and ran with it. Suffice it to say I disagree with you but the horse is out of the barn and I’m not going to waste time trying to convince you that my opinion holds merit when you’ve clearly made up your mind given the evidence I already laid out.

And yeah – you did ignore it ipso facto when there was not comment 1 made about it. I don’t know fact 1 about Tammy’s off board life and it feels like I was somehow expected to have some psychic power to be able to derive those facts given the lack of response.

Your case on Snarky seems to be that he didn't respond to you saying that you could read him successfully.
I don't think this is a significant case based on Snarky's lack of reading comprehension which he demonstrated quite soundly in Near Vanilla.
Do you have a rebuttal to that?

I didn't intentionally ignore your comment.

In post 1368, kraska77 wrote:Lmao my slot has a sweeping posting history
I'll be back when I've read 20 or more pages
Not today though bc I'm busy

not a great start here

In post 1367, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I’m not sure why you think a claimed VT who isn’t scum-hunting but chronically buddying and keep s waffling between “Oh we want this pain to be over” and “You can’t get me lynched” is a lynch that hurts Town.

Why is claiming VT early scummy? Because it is bad.
Why is chronically buddying scummy? Because it is bad.
Why is the vacillating between "we want this pain to be over" and "you can't get me lynched" scummy? Because it is bad.

Camntsuki certainly hasn't been breaking the door down with advanced reads and reasoning, but it's not like they are gleefully doing nothing at all, and it's not like I expect either head struggles horribly with giving reads + reasoning as scum so that in and of itself isn't a red flag for me.

I don't really see scum motivation in the early VT claim; you can say that they're appealing to AtE meta or whatever but this is well within their townrange and the obvious risk of drawing the hate of most players in the game doesn't really seem to outweigh the reward of appealing to the me/BRO/Cephrir/Fox group of players.

The buddying that they've done doesn't surprise me and is an expectation regardless of alignment. They buddy a lot.

The contradiction between "we want this pain to be over" and "you don't have the votes" also doesn't really bother me at all; in the same vein, I'm not really bothered by people who say they're giving up in thread and keep fighting. Sometimes you're annoyed with the game and you want to die, sometimes you're annoyed with a player and you talk shit to them.

And no, I don't really expect you to agree with these viewpoints, but I think you know me well enough by now to know that I'm not following onto a lynch just because the person in question is playing antitown.

In post 1385, Grib wrote:"blah blah where's the scum motivation" is a junk question. I can't explain why scum would play like they are, but it makes LESS sense to me coming from town.

If you can't understand why someone would do something as scum OR as town, then there's a pretty high chance that you just don't understand their play at all.

In post 1394, Firebringer wrote:Also I really wish I would have gotten a different character.
This was a horrible character.
Like, did anyone really watch this show as a kid? Asking you Eleven.

Can't answer this question without you telling us your show.

In post 1409, Imperium wrote:

In post 1385, Grib wrote:"blah blah where's the scum motivation" is a junk question. I can't explain why scum would play like they are, but it makes LESS sense to me coming from town.

If you can't understand why someone would do something as scum OR as town, then there's a pretty high chance that you just don't understand their play at all.

That is a fair assessment.

Still think they're scum and will pursue them to the brink of death, but thank you for your thoughts.

In post 1395, keyenpeydee wrote:Hi Welcome!!

Hi, how are you?

In post 1410, Imperium wrote:

In post 1394, Firebringer wrote:Also I really wish I would have gotten a different character.
This was a horrible character.
Like, did anyone really watch this show as a kid? Asking you Eleven.

Can't answer this question without you telling us your show.

Why does it matter?

In post 1336, Fox McCloud wrote:so whats the smoking gun here?

There isn't one? Like, I'm not going to go through every post and explain why it's coming from scum. One, I'm too lazy, and two, it's disingenuous to say that every single post, or even single posts at all, are strong evidence for someone being scum. It's a wholistic thing with his behavior.

In post 1414, Firebringer wrote:

In post 1410, Imperium wrote:

In post 1394, Firebringer wrote:Also I really wish I would have gotten a different character.
This was a horrible character.
Like, did anyone really watch this show as a kid? Asking you Eleven.

Can't answer this question without you telling us your show.

Why does it matter?

It doesn't.

In post 1339, Cephrir wrote:

In post 1321, BROseidon wrote:

In post 1289, Cephrir wrote:if it's real i'd like to preemptively report katsuki's first post in the dead thread

tbh my case against jumping on Waco is ~just not feeling it~, but camntsuki are super obviously town, so...

I'mma sit on my vanity wagon and wait for you guys to see the light.

did you think this post indicated i was scumreading camn? it didn't

also bro is town wow that was easy

Oh I was gonna quote that then didn't, then the quote stuck around because fuck this UX.

In post 1416, Imperium wrote:It doesn't.

Okay, so want to give me sums?

In post 1345, farside22 wrote:Can you explain this read to me because the points he made on Grib where based on 2 post out of a massive amount that has gone on.

Also I'll wait 2-3 days for everyone to realize this is scum before pushing it.

It's the consistent "honing in on the wrong things" from farside that makes me think he's scum.

In post 1415, BROseidon wrote:

In post 1336, Fox McCloud wrote:so whats the smoking gun here?

There isn't one? Like, I'm not going to go through every post and explain why it's coming from scum. One, I'm too lazy, and two, it's disingenuous to say that every single post, or even single posts at all, are strong evidence for someone being scum. It's a wholistic thing with his behavior.

Do you have a case beyond "he's just pushing stupid shit" or do you have a rebuttal for the feeling that he believes the stuff that he's peddling or...?

In post 1418, Firebringer wrote:

In post 1416, Imperium wrote:It doesn't.

Okay, so want to give me sums?

Not particularly, no.

probably should read pedits huh

In post 1420, BROseidon wrote:It's the consistent "honing in on the wrong things" from farside that makes me think he's scum.

wait is this a reason for a farside suspicion or a reason for a grib suspicion?