Mini Normal 2117: Mozart Mafia (Finale)

[kagesong]

The day will end 9 PM EST on March 6th.

out of respect for health situation i'm cool with waiting a few days for kage
again my vote is still going there failing any changes

[kagesong]

The day will end 9 PM EST on March 6th.

out of respect for health situation i'm cool with waiting a few days for kage
again my vote is still going there failing any changes

I just brainlessly tapped submit without typing anything on my phone. I meant to say that if I take that long to start feeling better then I definitely will replace out. I got a little bit of sleep and my head's not trying to fall off of my shoulders anymore so I'm going to try to get my computer hooked up and get access to my stuff

[Invisibility]

when I said that I was just trying to sort non but like I really can't

How do you read everyone else?

I think you and duck are definitely town and una is very likely town
I think kage is very certain scum and non would be poe

[kagesong]

Well, my computers back up. I need to get all my files. I'll try to get the thoughts I already had sent once I do. Staying v/la because I may still have long stints of doing absolutely nothing.

[the worst]

I think you and duck are definitely town and una is very likely town

What got you here after last night?

[kagesong]

My reads are in a discord message. I don't know if I'll get it installed tonight or not. They may be a bit dated by the time I get them here. But, I know that my mental state is affecting my gameplay, and I want to get an objective thought out. I've messaged RC and decided I won't replace for now for sure, because I need to stay connected so that I don't slide, and frankly, I don't have friends in life. So, this is the only socializing. So, I will do my best to not hinder the game longer than I kinda already am, given that I'm lynch choice. But, I'd truly like to stay connected and see the game through properly even if I'm lynched today. It would suck to end the day before I'm actually in the game mentally to try to play, is all I mean. I truly hope none of that seems like AoE or AI. This is purely Kage the player. ( crap nowing I'm crying, because I'm always going to go by kage, and she solidified that name)

[kagesong]

Okay, that said, I decided to PM Rabid because I clearly need anyone that's reaching out. I don't think I said anything that would be improper to the game. I did say that I'm upset because all of this is affecting my gameplay heavily and causing me to miss the results I need (IE - the night 3 jail, if you believe me). I of course left even context of the game out of the PM. It's probably super socially awkward or wrong for me to make this post, but I really don't know. Doctors say I never really got past 13 socially, I'm just really smart or something. I'm sure the first part shows.

[kagesong]

At least I can sit down with YouTube and an auto refresher and do watch the forums for a bit. Deal with my wallpaper and everything that needs 2fa later. Much later. I'll try to be mindful of my emotional spillage. I do know this isn't the place. I also don't have an appropriate place available, so I don't always remember to shut my mouth. Sorry in advance.

[kagesong]

Okay, wall text of the information I'm working off of when this happened. Going to sort my thoughts on reads for that, then try to move forward, if no one objects.

Spoiler:

Saud's lynch
Mozart Mafia Votecount 1.29

Saudade (7): Rabid Schnauzer, the worst, NorwegianboyEE, kagesong, Invisibility, Non lmh, Dannflor
the worst (3): TrueSoulEnergy, Garmr, Saudade
TrueSoulEnergy (1): Creature
Non lmh (1): UnaBombaH
Invisibility (1): Espressojet
Garmr (0):
kagesong (0):
Dannflor (0):
UnaBombaH (0):
Rabid Schnauzer (0):
NorwegianboyEE (0):
Espressojet (0):
Creature (0):

Not Voting:

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch.

The day will end Noon EST on February 14th.

Saud - EN vig dead
Creature - VT dead


TSE's lynch
Mozart Mafia Votecount 2.43:

TrueSoulEnergy (6): Dannflor, Espressojet, the worst, kagesong, NorwegianboyEE, Rabid Schnauzer
the worst (2): Garmr, Non lmh
kagesong (2): TrueSoulEnergy, UnaBombaH
Rabid Schnauzer (0):
Espressojet (0):
Dannflor (0):
Invisibility (0):
UnaBombaH (0):
NorwegianboyEE (0):
Garmr (0):
Non lmh (0):

Not Voting: Invisibility

With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch.

The day will end 9 PM EST on February 25th.


TSE - VT dead
Dannflor - UB - EN Vig dead
Espresso - Gunsmith dead

TW - massclaim
Una - claim VT pop kage
kage - claim ON Jailor pop TW
TW - claim VT pop rabid
Rabid - claim VT pop Norwee
Garmr - claim VT out of order
Norwee - claim deputy (found to be mafia deputy) pop non
Vizzy - claim neigbborizer out of order
non - never spoke

NorwegianBoyEE VC
Mozart Mafia Votecount 3.54:

NorwegianboyEE (5): the worst, Rabid Schnauzer, UnaBombaH, kagesong, Invisibility,
the worst (1): NorwegianboyEE
UnaBombaH (1):
kagesong (0):
Rabid Schnauzer (0):
Invisibility (0):
Garmr (0):
Non lmh (0):

Not Voting: Garmr, Non lmh

With 8 alive it's 5 to lynch.

The day will end 9 PM EST on February 31st :thonk:

Norwee - Mafia Deputy dead

Garmr - Dead VT

[kagesong]

I don't know if Garmr not voting really means much. But with all votes cast being on Norwee, it's hard to use that vote count for much. Non doesn't look great to me? Lurking to avoid the massclaim? I do know that my limited understanding of massclaims suggests that only dumb!scum would claim PR if pushed early for fear of counterclaim. I do not know how to handle counterclaims well. If someone had claimed JK, I'd expect to lose that. I don't have the experience. That's less AoE and more appeal to "would you claim PR as scum here as a newbie?". It's not very logical. There's my best defense of my PR claim. I'm sorry town that I screwed night 3 because of my health. If there's a night 5 that I make it to (I'm not sure n5 is possible here?) A jail vote will prove my claim.
I'm still shaky on the vigilante thing. I don't understand it, so I'll just take the common word. I would not say me expressing what I think is the obvious thing we're looking at (SK) should be AI for me. I've been playing a lot of Town of Salem lately which is more fast paced so you need to scare people. IE, make someone yell loudly that they can't possibly be the SK.

I guess Scum!Non had a chance to make that late claim some sort of counter claim. I don't know if that would be the smartest thing. But it would have destroyed any defense I had for one day, which might be all scum needs. So I think I have to be net gain for his town position there.

I'm gonna sort Una's ISO in detail separately. I can't quite pin the place town. There's a lot of pro town, but it bothers me.

I'm bothered by every claim of hood. Remember that TW's suggestion that he would have coached a better massclaim is exactly what I see. I still think it might be the case. OF COURSE the duck would coach me in a massclaim better if I was scum... that doesn't mean that the massclaim wasn't coached, by the duck, to get a goat. It's a theory. But Ducky doesn't feel ALL that scummy overall... kinda a gut. But replace him here with anyone. Una, etc. The chance to get someone to say, yeah, they're scum because if they were my scum buddy they wouldn't have screwed up, when there was no screw up that bad to start with. It's Sun Tzu's basic's if I'm right. A very elaborate divide and conquer and get out of the way. Maybe sacrifice your weakest link for the greater victory.

Una stands out as being the only one that ONLY lynched this time. I'm trying to cross that with the other patterns to see what I see. But, the wagons have been pretty consistent there.

I mean, if Vizzy is neighborizor, I think (to brain dead to try hard to confirm) they said the neighbored TSE, so I see avoiding that lynch if that's confirmed. Saud looked bad altogether, so I don't think we can look too hard at his lynch. Except that Una was not on that lynch. That early scum might not want everyone on a town lynch no matter how bad it looks.

How certain are we of 3 scum btw? I'm used to minis having just 2.

I think that's where I can get to for now. If anyone fills in blanks I'll try to keep adding to it. I'll read further and continue probably within 12 hours. 24 at the highest unless things get worse. I'll keep it posted here so that no one has to wait more than necessary.

[kagesong]

when I said that I was just trying to sort non but like I really can't

How do you read everyone else?

I think you and duck are definitely town and una is very likely town
I think kage is very certain scum and non would be poe

I think that scum would not say this knowing I'll flip green tonight. But I also am not sure it would matter, because I think we're still basically at MyLo. I don't know the exact mechanic.

[kagesong]

IE, unless we're in MyLo, I have to hard read Vizzy as town.

[kagesong]

I think you and duck are definitely town and una is very likely town

I'm very shaky on Una here. I feel safe with the pup, and ducky is okay. But, Una seems like maybe just the mastermind ducky suggests. And I had said before ducky made his coaching comment that I think the massclaim was coached. I just thought the duck was the coach. I'm very 50/50 on the Una spot. But, I don't have a stronger scum read either.

[the worst]

Could you grab some quotes from mass claim and show me where you see Una coaching it?

[the worst]

We're probably in MyLo btw. Also sorry for brevity. About to jump on a plane.

[UnaBombaH]

I think you and duck are definitely town and una is very likely town

Implying I'm the least towny of the bunch?

I think kage is very certain scum and non would be poe

Implying that kage is your 100% scum pick here? The one lynch I wanted done more than anyone? I basically howled for their lynch yesterday, obv. going to take place after the Norwegian one, but I'm just baffled how anyone could think kage is scum, yet not lock me as town.
Scum!Una would've not needed to push for scum!kage so stubbornly yesterday.
Scum!Una would've talked about upcoming claims/fakeclaims way more in depth with his teammates. (notice how I went to the wiki to check the roles full descriptions? I do that everytime.)
And scum!Una, while able and willing to bus when the situation arises, would never go for a deliberate double-bus in a MyLo-situation when the town has been this disorganized.

So either pick scum!Una + town!Kage, or the other way around, but don't even try to argue anything from between.
Ugh.

[UnaBombaH]

We're probably in MyLo btw. Also sorry for brevity. About to jump on a plane.

Jumping in is fine. Just don't jump out..

Have a safe trip.

[kagesong]

Could you grab some quotes from mass claim and show me where you see Una coaching it?

It's not a firm theory yet. I need to do that still. But I wanted to get what thoughts I can out. That was all mostly based on the VC on the lynches. I have not read and caught up yet. I'm not prepared to. That's why I've remained vla. (did that tag apply? I haven't even looked)

[kagesong]

nope I don't need to tag V/LA do I? I don't expect to post any content that matters for a bit, and I'd rather use that to indicate that my mind is indeed on vacation and when it's back. If that's okay.

[the worst]

Could you grab some quotes from mass claim and show me where you see Una coaching it?

It's not a firm theory yet. I need to do that still. But I wanted to get what thoughts I can out. That was all mostly based on the VC on the lynches. I have not read and caught up yet. I'm not prepared to. That's why I've remained vla. (did that tag apply? I haven't even looked)

It's ok. I hate lengthy cases. just grab me a couple of quotes from the point where your intuition was like "Una is masterminding this shit"

[the worst]

For the record I firmly agree if there's a deepwolf, it's Una. I also think this is a really unlikely parallel universe, and that our actual challenge is solving in {non,vizzy}. I also think more and more that you and Una are explicitly different alignments.

Either his push on you is a very well crafted path to win as scum, or you are scum who's realised he's caught stone cold so you're reactively just pushing Una as scum to avoid revealing who your last partner is.

I think the latter is just more likely?
Again Una is just not lolbussing both of his scumbuddies

If you're town, I'm probably gonna mislynch you and lose this game unless you can sell me on your intuition being sincere. I don't want a scumcase. I want you to show me the moment you reached this read. Game might depend on how well you can produce this.

[kagesong]

Could you grab some quotes from mass claim and show me where you see Una coaching it?

It's not a firm theory yet. I need to do that still. But I wanted to get what thoughts I can out. That was all mostly based on the VC on the lynches. I have not read and caught up yet. I'm not prepared to. That's why I've remained vla. (did that tag apply? I haven't even looked)

It's ok. I hate lengthy cases. just grab me a couple of quotes from the point where your intuition was like "Una is masterminding this shit"

I don't have quotes in the theory yet. I will. I'm slowly getting more here. I'm trying to make plans and such. It's just a pattern I see in the votes right now. Like I said, it looked like a coached claim from the start to me. I'd said that previously. I thought you were the likely coach. But, I'm less sure from the bit that i have managed to absorb. So, in seeing who else could have coached it, the best info I had to start with was my notes. I would have posted them at an earlier more relevant time if I could have, but I wanted to get the thoughts in. So, right now I'm just trying to get feed back on where I'm at and I'm slowly digesting the rest a few posts at a time.

[kagesong]

I also think more and more that you and Una are explicitly different alignments.

I can't disagree with this Though, I don't think anyone alive would right now.

[kagesong]

I want you to show me the moment you reached this read

So, obviously the "moment" was the intuition of "I don't think it's ducky, maybe" so I needed another logical possibility. I'll start with finding the quotes that made me clear you, and then if I have the energy, start on Una's ISO. I'm glad to have a direction to go that I can understanding the information. I won't claim the greatest mental competence. This game is an exercise in strengthening that for me.

[the worst]

about to fly again. an old mafia saying suggests cases are scummy - sorry if I'm wrong but I think your hesitation to show me your intuition and reliance on ~feeling~ while assembling a case is quite a lot more likely to come from scum than town.

Don't think I end up voting differently unless we just plynch non lmh

VOTE: kagesong