I feel that I am in the middle of the crossfire, not knowing for sure who is an ally and who is an enemy. All I hear is the sound of gunfire echoing in the eerie smoke that enveloped the battlefield. Without visual guidance, I need to deduce which way I am going, using only the sound interpretation of the shooting pattern to distinguish which side is correct.
In post 1396, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Kirari I see this post referenced every time you want to paint me as scum. Why is that scummy?
Because it's hedging but not in a townie way
Anyway clidd says you're town and my reads don't matter today so *shrug*
you should understand that i've been asked to give opinions when i haven't really read the whole thread yet.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:24 pm
by clidd
My problem with Kirari is that she was the first to theorize Scum!Clidd due to the absence I had during the period when the focus was on her wagon. This is a kind of towny assumption, because if she is practically being lynched, it is important to avoid typing too much to avoid associations later as scum. Her FoS on me would only benefit me once she flips, which is why I reconsidered my point of view about her.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:26 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
In post 1400, clidd wrote:I feel that I am in the middle of the crossfire, not knowing for sure who is an ally and who is an enemy. All I hear is the sound of gunfire echoing in the eerie smoke that enveloped the battlefield. Without visual guidance, I need to deduce which way I am going, using only the sound interpretation of the shooting pattern to distinguish which side is correct.
it's a question on whether or not you're willing to lock kirari as town right now instead of later. if day 3 we have thoughts that kirari can be town
kirari makes sense as town because of the gamestate that surrounded her. my only concern is that there could be a scum!kirari explanation that the day progressed at it did. LL has provided explanation, which I haven't really started thinking about. i'll start there later.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:27 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
EBWOP: if day 3 we have thoughts that kirari can be scum, it's gonna be dangerous then.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:29 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
for example, right now, it feels to me that her scum!monkey theories and scum!LL theories are in bad faith — and i'm beginning to get second guesses. this is what i want to discuss with town today.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:31 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
it's also a question whether or not we believe LL had her as no result because she was jailed, or whether she was actually town. does her D1 and early D2 actions reflect VT motivations? or is there something else there? because honestly i'm not sold on the whole "i need to act scummy to survive" narrative.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:33 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
however, her massive drive to solve the game, give her reads, and help the town move along could be townie.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:34 pm
by Elmo TeH AzN
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:36 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
i can be down for a 3b lynch today, but whatever 3b flips as today, there won't be anything there to help us sort Kirari. that's why we need to lock kirari as town now or we lynch her to be in a better gamestate later.
i'm willing to bet the game that kirari is town. but if I really think about it, there's no objective reason to do so.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:38 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
i'll start looking for objective reasons to do so later.
In post 1400, clidd wrote:I feel that I am in the middle of the crossfire, not knowing for sure who is an ally and who is an enemy. All I hear is the sound of gunfire echoing in the eerie smoke that enveloped the battlefield. Without visual guidance, I need to deduce which way I am going, using only the sound interpretation of the shooting pattern to distinguish which side is correct.
it's a question on whether or not you're willing to lock kirari as town right now instead of later. if day 3 we have thoughts that kirari can be town
kirari makes sense as town because of the gamestate that surrounded her. my only concern is that there could be a scum!kirari explanation that the day progressed at it did. LL has provided explanation, which I haven't really started thinking about. i'll start there later.
I have conflicting information about her role. There is Luciano's analysis and the scummy reaction she had during the first accusations, but right after she became L-1, there was a sudden change of posture. She started posting more and theorizing about other slots that no one was talking about (me). Why would Scum!Kirari do that ?
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:40 pm
by clidd
In post 1404, humaneatingmonkey wrote:EBWOP: if day 3 we have thoughts that kirari can be scum, it's gonna be dangerous then.
We have to hit scum today, it is the most viable path to victory.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:42 pm
by clidd
ML is basically loss at our weird game state. Today is lylo, to be honest.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:45 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
i'll do an analysis on who's more scum between kirari and 3b later then.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:45 pm
by clidd
In post 1409, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i can be down for a 3b lynch today, but whatever 3b flips as today, there won't be anything there to help us sort Kirari. that's why we need to lock kirari as town now or we lynch her to be in a better gamestate later.
i'm willing to bet the game that kirari is town. but if I really think about it, there's no objective reason to do so.
3bounty sheeped Kirari on D1 and townreads me for no reason. He's worse than Kirari by reads. Kirari is worse by play (as Luciano explained)
I agree with 3bounty>Kirari.
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:53 pm
by 3bounty
Any lynch just make sure there's no no lynch. That is basically a loss.