Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[Green Crayons]

Did I beat you to it Norweig?

[votato]

VOTE: ABR

why? can we not? can we take the week we are given to discuss things, or at least let ABR speak before lynching?

It tells us that it’s hammertime.

[NorwegianboyEE]

While i wouldn't be against a wagon on ABR, i find the points against Alisae too many to ignore.
VOTE: Alisae

Two questions for you.

1. Why did you follow Cycle-scum's theory that Ali+human+Isis were a scum team?

2. Do you still think that they are a scum team?

Why would i think they are the scum team given his flip? Maybe he had 1 scum in there.

[Green Crayons]

Norweig were you going to vote ABR? I wanna know so I can include you any wagon analysis.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was tempted. But then you beat me to it. Idk if i actually would have.

[votato]

Norweig were you going to vote ABR? I wanna know so I can include you any wagon analysis.

maybe you shouldnt have fucking quick-hammered if you wanted more info out of people. jeez. Maybe my solve with firebringer, crayons, and alisae wasnt that bad after all. thats some heavy bussing though.

[Green Crayons]

Cool. Good to know.

He isn’t hammered.

[northsidegal]

Votecount 2.3

Target	Wagon
Albert B. Rampage (5)	humaneatingmonkey (1359), Elements (1366), Deimos27 (1373), Firebringer (1395), Green Crayons (1397)
Looker (1)	Albert B. Rampage (1345)
Alisae (1)	NorwegianboyEE (1387)
Firebringer (1)	Looker (1392)
Not Voting (3)	votato, Alisae, Isis

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-14 18:29:59).

[NorwegianboyEE]

That’s mostly because Votato set it up as a perfect punchline and it would be really funny.

[Alisae]

Because I haven't seen anything Ali do to be vote-worthy, and I still read her town.

I'm pretty sure Alisae's 1128 is scum-indicative, and that's what ABR picked up on.

literally how

Let me walk you through it.
The town motivation you list for town!Alisae for voting a townread is that you get info on the accuracy of your reads.
You gain the exact same info from lynching a scumread. The player either flips the way you thought or they don't.
Lynching your townreads is playing against town win con.

The motivation for scum!Alisae was there regardless of Clemency's alignment.
If he's town, you want to lock in the mislynch.
If he's scum, by the time he's L-1 at this stage it's likely he's getting lynched anyway and you want to get the towncred.

its deadline and its better to make sure we have a lynch thats secured then no lynch

[Alisae]

I'm also curious why Firebringer and Isis bussed and not Alisae.

Isis isn’t a busser lol

[Alisae]

At least not here

[Green Crayons]

That’s mostly because Votato set it up as a perfect punchline and it would be really funny.

I don’t understand what you’re saying.

[Alisae]

GTFO with this vote

Eat this vote, scumbag.

Spoiler:

bro what are you doing

Am I the bro?

im not scum and i feel like if I was scum with Clemency here, he doesn't try to align himself with Norwee when Norwee thinks that I'm cordinating votes on him. That whole interaction just doesn't make sense.

pointing out of a plan to distance?

Are you accusing Alisae of drafting a distancing plan in the main topic?

VOTE: Firebringer

This vote-hopping atmosphere is kind of tricky. How effective would a bus be in a nightless?

Nah Im talkin to abr there

[NorwegianboyEE]

That’s mostly because Votato set it up as a perfect punchline and it would be really funny.

I don’t understand what you’re saying.

Because you have absolutely no sense of humor. It must truly be an tragic existence.

[Isis]

Isis, can I get a metaread on Elements and check if he's still playing to his town meta?

He's playing townier than his town meta and I'm confused. I mean maybe that's a bad thing because I felt like to some extent his scumwin featured him adhering to orthodox play people want to see. He's convincing me it's organic here, though.

I definitely can't say "he's playing to his town meta here", Ank explained me this really tricky way to townread him in fusion that I had to read like 4 times to understand, then it made sense to me and I was happy sheeping it all the way to postgame discussion, but my understanding of it was fleeting enough I don't remember it quite. But it definitely wasn't, like, "look at this relatively orthodox postflip solve"

Whatever you do, don't ask Elements to meta himself please, he might get modkilled, continue directing questions to me

[Alisae]

I would like to hear about ABR’s finalized reads or something before he dies if thats what you guys want to do
Personally I’m not sure, but I also I haven’t really put in the work to figure out an alternative, so I’m not in the position to say anything.
But I respect ABR as a player enough to give his reads like thought

[Green Crayons]

I too would like to hear from ABR. Figured I’d actually put him at L-1 and at least get some sort of reaction from someone. Like votato and sort of Norwegian.

[Isis]

GTFO with this vote

Eat this vote, scumbag.

Spoiler:

bro what are you doing

Am I the bro?

im not scum and i feel like if I was scum with Clemency here, he doesn't try to align himself with Norwee when Norwee thinks that I'm cordinating votes on him. That whole interaction just doesn't make sense.

pointing out of a plan to distance?

Are you accusing Alisae of drafting a distancing plan in the main topic?

VOTE: Firebringer

This vote-hopping atmosphere is kind of tricky. How effective would a bus be in a nightless?

Looker I think you might be town
Firebringer is town too I feel pretty sure about it

[votato]

Looker I think you might be town
Firebringer is town too I feel pretty sure about it

based on? could you explain?

[Isis]

I too would like to hear from ABR. Figured I’d actually put him at L-1 and at least get some sort of reaction from someone. Like votato and sort of Norwegian.

Nope he's had long enough
VOTE:

[votato]

theres 6 days to deadline in a nightless game... we can wait. we can wait 2 weeks if we need to, but we can at least give it 2 days.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I too would like to hear from ABR. Figured I’d actually put him at L-1 and at least get some sort of reaction from someone. Like votato and sort of Norwegian.

Nope he's had long enough
VOTE:

You failed to hammer. Pathetic.

[Isis]

sry I'm in a silly mood and want to mess with people

I don't need to lolhammer in nightless vanilla

sometimes I have to lolhammer people in closed setups to stop all the premature claiming killing my EV because my ears are bleeding and it just needs to stop

[Isis]

well that would be a slightly scum-indicative interpretation of my post ABR