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In post 1387, beeboy wrote:

In post 1386, Raya36 wrote:Right. I agree that it's very powerful for scum. But it's also such an anti-town role. I'll trust you again on this for now though since you say it makes sense compared to your role.

I appreciate your trust, I am doing my best to not let you down.

In post 1397, unwnd wrote:I don't think two roles exist in tandem to clear the other. Id rather be townread on my merit of being townie over a role i happened to get

In post 1400, unwnd wrote:Wiho knows what will happen if i change your vote? Didn't you say you fail it regardless if you vote yes/no beeboy?

In post 1399, Raya36 wrote:I've scumread midway from the start as well

In post 1394, farside22 wrote:

In post 754, midwaybear wrote:Thinking of passing the chain to Starbuck ngl

In post 756, midwaybear wrote:

In post 755, beeboy wrote:I would rather you just do you and fully justify it then sheep a read

how is that a sheep? I already explained why I TR her before.

In post 762, midwaybear wrote:farside, unwnd, tse, starbuck all give me doubts. And then I can't give it to PB or Cakez who I think are town(mostly Cakez). NDMath has posted way too little, and not that much substance. I can see myself giving it to Dunn or beeboy then. I like Dunnstral's posts because he seems critical of things others were saying, and veered away from sheeping, so VOTE: Dunnstral

Train of thoughts. Note the last post was 10 minutes later.

In post 1404, midwaybear wrote:

In post 1399, Raya36 wrote:I've scumread midway from the start as well

i didn't have any interactions at the start though with your current scumreads

In post 1405, unwnd wrote:Cause i legit don't think they interact the way you want them to, i feel I've been saying this whole game uh, referring back to myself? Something along the lines kf treating you like a claimed miller.

Listen I've got my own theories on what it all means do you wanna hear it

In post 1384, farside22 wrote: I think the claim is true.

Also scum reads stand with Abr/Midway and either TSE/SL

I took cakez out with his comments on TSE but he was added in there originally for his weak push on Abr.
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In post 1410, unwnd wrote:Ok please let me get on my computer my phone posts are awful and i impulsively keep doing them

In post 1185, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:

In post 1180, SirCakez wrote:TSE doesn't even have a reason to SR me other than I'm pushing him and I haven't gotten the chain yet
PB what is a schrodinger's read?

Your the one I think I might be wrong on.
I know I’m right on Unwnd being scum and I’m almost certain Farside is scum.
It’s between You and Starbuck and I’m leaning towards it being you.

In post 1193, Pink Ball wrote:

In post 1180, SirCakez wrote:TSE doesn't even have a reason to SR me other than I'm pushing him and I haven't gotten the chain yet
PB what is a schrodinger's read?

You're both a town read and a scum read at the same time. Scum has to decide which one they think it is if they want to put me to decide between you and unwnd.

In post 1203, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:

In post 1066, SirCakez wrote:

Spoiler:

In post 153, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:

In post 152, unwnd wrote:

In post 151, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

OMGUS

How is it OMGUS to legit defend yourself when someone shades you?
In no way is this OMGUS.
The fact you think you can actually throw shade Willy nilly like this is hysterical.

In post 151, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

In post 156, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:How about this.
Instead of being like “Oh TSE is bad lol look at this guy”
How about you ask me a question or make me explain one of my posts.
Or maybe actually explain why your not liking me.

In post 258, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:

In post 252, unwnd wrote:

In post 202, Raya36 wrote:

In post 195, TrueSoulEnergy wrote: The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

This early argument with unwnd was where I started disliking him

Spoiler:

In post 427, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:I was accurate in this game.
http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?/to ... nt-4172486

I was “Chrome”

Everything I said he was accurate.
Macer and Fiend were the only possible scum left.
I was reading Macer scum over Fiend because Macer played so bad IMO.

I also disliked that he needed to bring in another game to try to validate himself

Spoiler:

In post 902, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:

In post 901, SirCakez wrote:

In post 897, beeboy wrote:

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(6)- SirCakez, Raya36, Pink Ball, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Ideal Outcome

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

>Raya>TrueSoulEnergy/XXXXX>Beeboy>XXXXX/XXXXX

XXXXX = PB, Sircakez, Unwnd

Raya: Can't be lynched so should be cleared sooner.
TSE: Apparently people have issue with him and having a non globally town read player here forever puts a ??? on the other player who wasn't killed. So I'd like to go after TSE as the big murder boi.
TSE's tunnel/ engagement on unwnd felt legit, I thought they had real conviction and frustration behind that push and it's not a spot when scum would feel the need or have that genuine kind of emotion over something. Reminds me of my old gameplay and I know as scum this is much harder to fake before lylo/near lylo where losing out on the push is essentially a loss. The emotional attachment he has to "being listened to" is different then a "staying alive" emotion that either town or scum can experience.


I am not sure which of those 3 are worth killing. I'd have to think it out a bit more, my issue with not putting PB higher then Sircakez despite my reads list implying that is the case is when I tried to word my justification for it I couldn't actually do a very good job of it which is the signs of a bad read. I am not a player who will force onto people something I feel "more comfortable" with, I only shove my ideas when I strongly stand by it.

I think flipping TSE is best because they are such a contentious slot

I think lying one of you or Unwnd is best.
What was/is your read on Unwnd currently?

And then here he's trying to get two of his attackers in unwnd and myself killed

Do you Town read Unwnd from our interactions?
If so, why?
I only brought up the game to show that Town in General (FM Overall) need to play better. It was never to validate myself.
In the last thing you quoted I was asking you a question to see your reaction and if you would slip scum buddies with Unwnd. Your reaction however wasn’t alignment indicative so I couldn’t get a good determination towards it.

In post 1266, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:

In post 1262, Raya36 wrote:(working on catching up)

In post 1030, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Lets do it. Hurry!

Why the rush? We have over a week and once we have a plan set in place it should be fast until second last has to pick.

In post 1033, Starbuck wrote:

In post 1026, beeboy wrote:Raya > TSE > PB > Beeboy > Unwnd/SirCakez

^ This was the OG plan btw if I am not mistaken ^

I mean I think we need to brain dive why we want to give it to PB before we move on.

@Squad Why is PB town.
@Dunnstral and whoever else has spoken against him why isn't PB town?

I'm okay with this plan, but I want you and PB reversed. Most everyone feels you're universal town, we're not going to learn much if you make that last choice. Hell, you might not even choose PB. I know for me that PB is still quite on the null side for me and I'd be interested in seeing who he chooses between Unwnd and SirCakez.

On the same side, I'd like to see TSE get the chain from here because I want to see if he'd stay true to his word.

I'd be ok with this if TSE confirms he's ok with the plan and will pass it to beeboy. (And now I see in the next post he agrees to this)

In post 1038, Starbuck wrote:I think the pass/fail of the quiz is going to prove if we have scum or not. If you're scum, you have no reason to pass the quiz. Why would you willingly give an advantage to town, especially when you didn't even vote to approve your own quiz team?

I agree with this. Chances are if it fails there is at least 1 scum within the quiz group.

Yeah so you want to do Me - BeeBoy and PinkBall decides SirCakez and Unwnd?
I’m down with that.

In post 1272, Raya36 wrote:

In post 1077, SirCakez wrote:I actually want to call unwnd town just because I haven't seen anythign explicitly scummy from them and the way they've been pushed into this final two trap with me feels really scum-motivated

You're calling your likely competition to survive the bottom two town?

In post 1299, beeboy wrote:My role pm has a line of text that states it would fail if I was town. Despite you know me being town.
So I believe the 3rd line of his role pm is real even if he is scum.

Because my role pm talks as if it was also a scum pm.

I think the claim is uhh, NAI at worst, slightly believable at best?

In post 1327, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:VOTE: PB

In post 1339, Pink Ball wrote:@unwnd, @SirCakez,

do you want to play a game?

In post 1363, beeboy wrote:Tbh it's more the way Cakez fell off the grid as he started taking more heat.
While unwnd is staying here and is in fight or flight mode.

One of them is fighting for themselves, the other decided it's best to step away.

i.e I can see an agenda from Cakez POV.