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[Green Crayons]

Spoiler:

I hate to say it but I’m still ok with a Dunn lynch. As much as I didn’t like BM’s posts.. the SG flop is going to be a turn off right now in terms of voting there until I sort that out. Gera is off the table for today, but note I’m not sold on him being scum
Or town. He’s really null for me; the same with NM.

My gut feeling is that dun is town. As i just can't see scum blatantly making blank votes on a player claiming to scum read him and the other going wagon. It feels too blatant for scum. Would have thought that if he is scum then he would have tried dressing it up, instead he simply posts a series of quotes and doesn't say why they lead him to scum reading not mafia.

Would scum real vote for someone when their last comment on that player was that he had in fact had no read on them. If he was scum i would have expected something along the lines of something between a few short sentences to several paragraphs.

I can totally see scum making blank votes. The fact he’s being cyrpitc and won’t explain his votes makes me think there’s no case to begin with and he’s hiding behind blank votes.

My case is that his posts suck and he has no reason for his vote in the first place

Beetle juice

I stand corrected.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Vote Count 1.17

Porkens (4):

bob3141, votato, Green Crayons, stungun0404

Dunnstral (3):

DoctorPepper, Porkens, Malakittens

votato (2):

Not_Mafia, farside22

HK 50(1):

Dunnstral

notscience (1):

geraintm

stungun0404 (1):

HK 50

Not voting (1):

notscience

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Mod Notes:

Majority is 7 players.

Day 1 has begun and will end in (expired on 2020-06-25 21:18:29).[/area]

[Porkens]

This is (was) farside’s town game and you are trying to compare her to Dunn. These pieces don’t go together.

I'm saying your suspicions of Dunn (voting HK as a vanity cw) are equally applicable to farside (voting GC as a vanity cw).

I'm not making the point to say you should read farside as scum.

I'm making the point because--as you read farside as town--it suggests your suspicion of Dunn on this basis manufactured rather than legitimate.

I understood your point but you missed mine. It’s about context. Farside was not a serious lynch possibility, and a vote on you aligns with a going theory. Dunn was, at that time, a candidate for lynch and there’s no steam (or good reason) to lynch HK.

WHY do you write about yourself in the third person?

[Green Crayons]

I understood your point but you missed mine. It’s about context. Farside was not a serious lynch possibility, and a vote on you aligns with a going theory. Dunn was, at that time, a candidate for lynch and there’s no steam (or good reason) to lynch HK.

I don't understand what you're saying.

You think farside is town. Why are you saying that she is "not a serious lynch possibility"?

[Green Crayons]

WHY do you write about yourself in the third person?

When the conversation is about players interacting or moving about like pieces on the board, I sometimes think it's easier to keep track of who is doing what by just listing out names including my own.

[Green Crayons]

I understood your point but you missed mine. It’s about context. Farside was not a serious lynch possibility, and a vote on you aligns with a going theory. Dunn was, at that time, a candidate for lynch and there’s no steam (or good reason) to lynch HK.

I don't understand what you're saying.

You think farside is town. Why are you saying that she is "not a serious lynch possibility"?

Oh I see, this isn't coming from your perspective about who is a good lynch candidate. You're speaking from the perspective of farside and Dunn.

How is going for a vanity bw AI depending on the pressure on that person pushing for the bw?

[Green Crayons]

Pork, what are your thoughts about Mala?

[votato]

Yeah im not dealing with any more assholes

mod replace me.

farside, is there any way you can at least gut out the rest of this day phase? I only ask this because it's got 22 hours left, and we've already had the time extended 3 times, which is more than enough, and I sincerely don't want it to happen again.

If not, I understand, but it would just make things easier if we don't have to pause the game until night time searching for a replacement, and allowing the replacement to catch up during the night phase is also optimal.

Well the mod doesn't take in thread replacements apparently. So I will stay for the day leave at night phase.
Already went through a game like this and I don't need another like it.
I would think Dunn would have more to say. This game play is reminding me less and less of animal upick. His attack on pork reads pretty fake.
Still not trusting votato. He hasn't explained well or at all the response ns meta is town. I might actually agree with sg that ns is being pocketed but idk because my feelings on the spot are negative.

In thread replacements are against site rules. Discussing replacing out in thread is too

[geraintm]

My pool is a mix of three factors:

Ger+stun circa 274
Stun+Dunn+vot circa 389 (targeting GC)
Bob circa the first 30pages not expressing one firm read then calling Dunn town. Also votato and stun both have bob town.

273 and 274? Really, that's what ypive got?

Sorry for absence, wife's birthday here and hottest day of the year

[votato]

Farside did you read the quotes from him re me/Dunn? It’s literally all rvs and then one mid game post I legitimately don’t know where he got the pocketed thing from. The only other time before recently when I was townreading him was when I called him out for beetlejuicing and he never even responded to me.

I only read the private message. After that I didn't really want to read much else. TBF I just felt best not to interact with you.
I don't see Dunn as pocketing anyone to be frank, I don't even know what is reads are at this point. He's been more active in games (at least he was in Animal Upick) so his lurking and providing nothing new this close to deadline reads more scummy to me.

who is sending private messages?

[geraintm]

Germa we are at the eleventh hour of the day. With no lynch approaching and yet you are still on your vanity vote. You keep saying shogun is wrong but who do you think is the best lynch today. Because as it stands we are a poaching the deadline and porkens is the lead lynch. Followed by dun and green.

Do you see a no lynch as better than lynching Porkens?

As if you are town that what your lack of anything but vanity vote is contributing too.


As most of your posts have been about how you don't like shoguns pushes but you have not come up with any of your own. So who do you want to lynch today? That is a realistic prospect.

Yeah , I do think no lynch is better than a bad lynch. Odds for town tomorrow are better at 9/12 than 8/11

[Porkens]

I understood your point but you missed mine. It’s about context. Farside was not a serious lynch possibility, and a vote on you aligns with a going theory. Dunn was, at that time, a candidate for lynch and there’s no steam (or good reason) to lynch HK.

I don't understand what you're saying.

You think farside is town. Why are you saying that she is "not a serious lynch possibility"?

How much interest was there to lynch her when she voted HK?

[geraintm]

Hmm, one more thought I'd like to put out there right now.

I think it is highly unlikely scum is aiding us towards a lynch right now given that the wagon of Porkens has only 3 votes, and I think if they were really pushing someone, there would be a majority with more than 3 votes right now.

Thus, it is highly unlikely there is more than one scum on the Porkens lynch right now, and if I am reading this right they may all be town (Mala, bob, Vot? (still have a slight question mark there, but this does provide a little reason to believe he is town).

Funny, I count three scum on my wagon

3 does not equal 3

[votato]

Farside like i said my experience with you is different. It was longer ago and i feel like you are a tougher read

[Porkens]

My pool is a mix of three factors:

Ger+stun circa 274
Stun+Dunn+vot circa 389 (targeting GC)
Bob circa the first 30pages not expressing one firm read then calling Dunn town. Also votato and stun both have bob town.

273 and 274? Really, that's what ypive got?

Sorry for absence, wife's birthday here and hottest day of the year

This is so dismissive. What’s wrong with the case? Can you articulate in words? Can you point out where you have put in more analysis?

[geraintm]

this day has dragged on far too long. it needs to end so we can get some flips and move past day 1. i really dont care who we lynch all that much at this point.

Quoting this for no reason

[geraintm]

i like Porkens posting

I do think his flip would be very informative associative wise, though.

Well...this is a bad reason to lynch someone day 1

[Green Crayons]

Yeah , I do think no lynch is better than a bad lynch. Odds for town tomorrow are better at 9/12 than 8/11

Wait.

What the actual hell?

Not only should you know better that no lynches are bad,

but also a no lynch

would specifically undermine your ability to be productive

, as you have said your bad/lazy in D1 because there is no flip to work off of.

If we no lynch, then there's no flip for D2. And you're going to be just as bad.

[Green Crayons]

I am shook rn.

I was reading gerain as townlean but that no lynch suggestion is scummy as hell

[Porkens]

I understood your point but you missed mine. It’s about context. Farside was not a serious lynch possibility, and a vote on you aligns with a going theory. Dunn was, at that time, a candidate for lynch and there’s no steam (or good reason) to lynch HK.

I don't understand what you're saying.

You think farside is town. Why are you saying that she is "not a serious lynch possibility"?

Oh I see, this isn't coming from your perspective about who is a good lynch candidate. You're speaking from the perspective of farside and Dunn.

How is going for a vanity bw AI depending on the pressure on that person pushing for the bw?

Sorry didn’t see this before I responded previously.

Its the context that is AI. Dunn was parking his vote on a nogo wagon at a time when he was under scrutiny. That’s a “safe” vote, right?

Farside wasn’t voting GC to be “safe”

[Green Crayons]

I have nothing at the moment. day 1 people talk but it doesn't mean anything. votes are the important thing and there just haven't been many so far. I'm very much the type of person who looks at people's voting patterns and trying to either spot inconsistencies or really, really bad logic used to justify them

when I say you all do you, it is just me saying I don't have the mental capacity to argue over perceived slights, misunderstandings or whatever

DAy 1 means little at the time. on later days of the game there might be useful info.
you may well be able to catch scum teams on day 1, I am not that good a player to do that. as I said, you all do you but for me, Day 1 is just weird until some wagons form and I can see who is on them and who isn't.

in the corresponding scum slot

Also, I cannot express enough how bad it is to try to fill up scum team slots in D1. Associative suspicions are practically worthless in D1 without flips.

I like this post

Okay looking back at your ISO, I see you never explicitly said that you needed flips to be productive.

But "needing wagons" + agreeing that pre-flip associative suspicion cases are bad = wanting a flip to start getting to work, in my mind.

[geraintm]

Scratchings is Prokens and votato is Maris, for obvious reasons

Not obvious to me. Not helpful.reading a thread

[Green Crayons]

Its the context that is AI. Dunn was parking his vote on a nogo wagon at a time when he was under scrutiny. That’s a “safe” vote, right?

I don't see how a scum under pressure is more inclined to vote someone that's not going to get traction (what's the benefit? people think it's *so* bland that it's town?), rather than voting for someone who will get traction (benefit being pressure shifting away).

[geraintm]

Mala I’ll sheep you if you’re confident just give me a shout

Posts like this move people from the town side to non town

[geraintm]

My current vote is useless right now, hmm where do I put it?

Why should I vote Votato?

For someone so sure of all their reads, to give up like this and wanting to be led to a lynch....
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