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In post 1385, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 1384, Nero Cain wrote:Will Nero get a page top?


Find out next time in Yellowstone!

Nah fam, this is not pagetop season it's BEAR SEASON

In post 1398, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 1396, Guillotina wrote:Let's townread each other for the right reasons, i understand my sit in your town list is not guaranteed as neither is yours in mine.

What does this mean?

In post 1312, Guillotina wrote: Toogeloo in the other hand, the posts of that slot does not give me town vibes and again, they voted Mom right after she claimed Mason.

In post 1318, MathBlade wrote:Because Horsewoman is doing the same and has more votes.

If Toog gets that high I am not entirely opposed just right now the fact Horse hasn’t been hammered means she’s scum. D1 elims are not usually this hard on town. They just aren’t.

In post 1336, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 1335, JacksonVirgo wrote:Nobody actually ever follows up with these types of reads.

I mean not really this was an exaggeration but it's not as much of a scum-claim than it is just anti-town and scummy.

In post 1337, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 941, Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: noraa I don’t think you approach reads like this as town. Math does unfortunately.

Can you explain this Noraa read for me? I understand at it's core but I am not sure I am following exactly

In post 1341, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 957, Noraa wrote:

In post 796, JacksonVirgo wrote:If we have a vigilante, I recommend shooting in the low-posters to clear the null-tier. The scummy players and the townie players sort themselves out more or less where I've seen null tier stay null and loses us the game.

Vig should shoot either Toog, Infinity, or DGB.

I just fully clicked with what you said here and I am going to say this as blunt as I possibly can. Vigilante's shooting within scummy players effectively wastes town utility considering they're essentially a secondary elimination. Scummy and Townie players are much more likely to sort themselves given Town's default utility with day eliminations, null players however getting sorted through the night is a much more effective use of a vigilante.

In post 1346, JacksonVirgo wrote: I town-read infinity

In post 1376, MathBlade wrote:

In post 1203, Infinity 324 wrote:I’m not 100% on horse, she looked quite towny in response to the guillo push earlier though and I don’t want to elim her today.

Notice anything similar?

Infinity imho has a word choice he uses as scum to defend his buddies.

In post 1409, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 1312, Guillotina wrote: Toogeloo in the other hand, the posts of that slot does not give me town vibes and again, they voted Mom right after she claimed Mason.

I don't have a read on toog atm. I was thinking they could be scum because it feels like scum are in the inactives/blending in this game, but their posts are null for me. They also pointed out that they thought the mason claim was a joke. They could be lying and just using my reason as an excuse, but it looked so much like a joke to me that I don't really think it's AI.

In post 1318, MathBlade wrote:Because Horsewoman is doing the same and has more votes.

If Toog gets that high I am not entirely opposed just right now the fact Horse hasn’t been hammered means she’s scum. D1 elims are not usually this hard on town. They just aren’t.

There have been so many examples of town wagons getting resistance because scum aren't interested in pushing the elim yet or some other reason, and then scum use that as an excuse to jump on or "compromise" there at deadline. The "resistance" tell is super overused imo.

In post 1336, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 1335, JacksonVirgo wrote:Nobody actually ever follows up with these types of reads.

I mean not really this was an exaggeration but it's not as much of a scum-claim than it is just anti-town and scummy.

I see what you're saying, but there's only certain players who could get away with it. If I lolhammered mara, people would be super suspicious since I don't do early hammers. Some players (not_mafia, dunn) do it as town sometimes so they can get away with it but most don't do it as town and don't risk doing it as scum as a result. That's why I think there was no real risk of a hammer.

In post 1337, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 941, Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: noraa I don’t think you approach reads like this as town. Math does unfortunately.

Can you explain this Noraa read for me? I understand at it's core but I am not sure I am following exactly

The logic of "you were trying to lim the mason claim" when I thought it was a joke is really shallow and I think noraa can have a lot more depth as town. Then I remembered haunted village where I feel like she didn't really get a good footing in the game and all her SRs were people that were pushing her. I thought she was scum there and she was town. The way she's played so far doesn't feel like she's trying to get townread, and when she says stuff like "idgaf you're still scum" it feels towny to me. So noraa is a lean town for me atm.

In post 1341, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 957, Noraa wrote:

In post 796, JacksonVirgo wrote:If we have a vigilante, I recommend shooting in the low-posters to clear the null-tier. The scummy players and the townie players sort themselves out more or less where I've seen null tier stay null and loses us the game.

Vig should shoot either Toog, Infinity, or DGB.

I just fully clicked with what you said here and I am going to say this as blunt as I possibly can. Vigilante's shooting within scummy players effectively wastes town utility considering they're essentially a secondary elimination. Scummy and Townie players are much more likely to sort themselves given Town's default utility with day eliminations, null players however getting sorted through the night is a much more effective use of a vigilante.

I don't agree, I think the vig should shoot scummy players so it saves town an elim. Then we can re-evaluate null or towny players during the day phase.

In post 1346, JacksonVirgo wrote: I town-read infinity

Why do you TR me again?

In post 1376, MathBlade wrote:

In post 1203, Infinity 324 wrote:I’m not 100% on horse, she looked quite towny in response to the guillo push earlier though and I don’t want to elim her today.

Notice anything similar?

Infinity imho has a word choice he uses as scum to defend his buddies.

Maybe that's just the word choice I use to state townreads as both alignments?

In post 1373, MathBlade wrote:I really think horse is scum and if she isn’t then we can look at who moved off of her and what wagons and look at JV or Nora.

In post 1411, MathBlade wrote:It’s not a tell. It’s only an indicator as I explained earlier.

It’s not 100%. The fact you called it a tell I think is illuminating.

In post 1415, Marky Mark wrote:@Guillo - why HW over toog? I thought we both had a similar thought process there in terms of the fact that both look sus from their wagon position on the Momrangel wagon but HW has (at times) at least actively been trying to solve

In post 1406, Guillotina wrote:Ok, so what I gather from @Horsewoman is that she only towns up when she is getting actively attacked or she is on the verge of getting eliminated, notice that once i unvoted her she stopped posting. She is not making efforts to solve the game whatsoever when she is out of pressure.

In post 915, Vaxkiller wrote:I'll hammer horse if we need it. I just want to get to tomorrow.

In post 1328, Horsewoman wrote:Basically I said momrangal/DGB/Mathblade had all displayed that mindset, but momrangal is semi-confirmed town and MathBlade had other indications of scumhunting so I was really suspicious of DGB

In post 1412, Marky Mark wrote:@Toog - as I have asked before, what reads do you have on the playerlist other than HW?

In post 1412, Marky Mark wrote:Thanks for the explanation Math.

I think I understand the broad strokes of your argument, although some of the finer detail around the initial wagon forming on horse confused me.

I find it hard to see a world where horse is town and math is scum because I just feel like it would look too sus for him after he has driven the push on her so hard. That being said:

In post 1373, MathBlade wrote:I really think horse is scum and if she isn’t then we can look at who moved off of her and what wagons and look at JV or Nora.

Worries me somewhat, because it feels like it could be scum setting up for chained miselims

I still think toog is flying under the radar here and I would really like to see more pressure applied there.
@Toog - as I have asked before, what reads do you have on the playerlist other than HW? If HW is scum, as you clearly think she is by your vote then who do you see as potential buddies?

That being said, if there is no increase in interest of eliming toog in the next couple of hours or so then I will consolidate onto HW.

Honestly, IMO probably the most AI thing that has happened today was the wagon on a claimed mason. Infin/Horse/Toog being 3/4/5 on that wagon probably has 1+ scum there, and horse and/or toog would be my most likely bets.

In post 1276, Guillotina wrote:

In post 1268, MathBlade wrote:I can’t read the green. Can you tldr what your opinion was on Flavor Leaf?

I don't know what to say about Flea, they could just be too scummy to be scum, or they just are. The list had a very ill intended approach to discredit me and put me on a bad light. I'm not moving them out of my scum list for the time being. They get the Axe for now.

In post 1284, Nero Cain wrote:Did anyone miss me?

In post 1300, Momrangal wrote:MIN E

In post 1420, MathBlade wrote:

In post 1412, Marky Mark wrote:Thanks for the explanation Math.

I think I understand the broad strokes of your argument, although some of the finer detail around the initial wagon forming on horse confused me.

I find it hard to see a world where horse is town and math is scum because I just feel like it would look too sus for him after he has driven the push on her so hard.

That being said:

In post 1373, MathBlade wrote:I really think horse is scum and if she isn’t then we can look at who moved off of her and what wagons and look at JV or Nora.

Worries me somewhat, because it feels like it could be scum setting up for chained miselims

I still think toog is flying under the radar here and I would really like to see more pressure applied there.
@Toog - as I have asked before, what reads do you have on the playerlist other than HW? If HW is scum, as you clearly think she is by your vote then who do you see as potential buddies?

That being said, if there is no increase in interest of eliming toog in the next couple of hours or so then I will consolidate onto HW.

Honestly, IMO probably the most AI thing that has happened today was the wagon on a claimed mason. Infin/Horse/Toog being 3/4/5 on that wagon probably has 1+ scum there, and horse and/or toog would be my most likely bets.

Why are you writing 90% of this post with horse as town?

In post 1419, Toogeloo wrote:

In post 1412, Marky Mark wrote:@Toog - as I have asked before, what reads do you have on the playerlist other than HW?

I'll worry about that later.