I've waited 24 hours to say this so it hits a little less hard now, but to any pals from my PT who are reading and Gamma, that CSF flip was an emotional rollercoaster hahaha.
p-edit: lol Enchant wait till you see our PT
Our order of lims and deaths was
Day 1 -> NAHA
Night 1 -> Loki/Freedom
Day 2 -> CSF
Night 2 -> Fidget
Yeah
Pretty sure Vivax is town based on both NAHA and CSF going after Toog
Before I head out I'd like to add that the conclusion is correct, but it's also an easy type of post to make as mafia. You should be more wary of scum bussing so this feels like it lacks paranoia about my slot and just echoes the sentiment of the last page.
In other words, you go to toast pile for it.
- There are
a lot
of jokes in his ISO. Initially I wanted to make a list of all his posts that were jokes but I gave up.
-
Sussed ejjinami for that post about the Mafia PT. I still think this ought to be slightly +town, much to my dismay
Spoiler:
- Pushes Gamma then says "next time you're town and I call you mafia don't overreact like this", then I ask him if he agrees Gamma and I are town, he says he has to think about it. Maybe playstyle, but eh, maybe there's a bit of inconsistency there
- "Apparently Enchant floats the notion that there's 2 confirmed town [...] I don't know who he means exactly" oof not sure I buy this in retrospect
- "Will compromise with people willing to compromise" followed by RR vote: I didn't say this but this did strike me as possibly scummy at the time.
- I don't want to look at the discussion we had about "undigging that discussion with the two PTs" again because I am still not sure I understand
- He starts by saying JohnnyFarrar seems scummy, at some point he "wrote off" Johnny as a scumread but it's not clear why
Maybe the best way to summarise my thoughts is that it's not clear he is trying to solve the game. I understand he has explained this with not wanting to effort / not wanting to overthink it, but at some point I have to assess whether he's using this as a convenient excuse and I think he may be.
Also want feedback on this if people feel like it
I am in fact
so
blatantly townie that it sends attentive players into outright dismay and despair when they realize that. Many fingernails were chewed in the making of this game.
Typical scum overbrag.
Town doesn’t have to brag.
Town just is.
Truly spoken like someone who doesn't care how I play as either alignment.
We can add that to the reasons that make you mafia: You are implying to know meta about me that you don't.
I will quote a post of mine from a recent town game on mafia universe, and there are many more instances of my confident writing as town around:
Spoiler:
This game is like talking to a wall for a big part. Maybe it's community specific but I hope not, only few players play reactive and engaging enough for my taste. Probably there's a few beginners in here too, I could think of ZZ because he's a very shy poster (shy and yes, mafia) who got protected by niph for reasons unknown to me, but I don't think niph is mafia.
There's like a bunch of weird circles that almost only talk to each other: The usual swedish triad, then beagle and enix seem to know each other somewhat, but I wouldn't say they only talk between themselves.
Hard to say where kuro fits, but gave me a honest impression he's looking at the right places.
I don't know where to place aphelios, but from a cursory look at other games, they always play like this, just posting more.
If I had to pick three people I'd trust the most purely tone wise (even though Beagle gave me a few hmmm moments), it'd be kuro, Beagle and cape90.
I'll probably try to vote with them if no one sees how Zug and Swedish are mafia further on.
Penguin so far was the most receptive of the three, so I'd be open to voting the other two today. Would be good play considering Zergon died.
[another player's quote, then I answer to them]
I tend to start off the games like that, it's more or less my town character (you could call it being arrogant or being a pompous arse, either is fine, and I agree).
I could see why someone could take it..personally when playing with me for the first time. To me it's just part of the joke when getting into character for the game, also tends to make mafia evasive or dismissive towards me, while townies could get triggered, which also would tell me they are town.
I build in the occasional joke to make it clear...No, I'm not angry (but the mafia can think that).
You could look at how Beagle handled it vs Skumbag. Skumbag just flat out refused to answer some questions about his Egix scumread, because he knows he can as nobody besides me is pressuring him on expanding on that.
Beagle on the other hand fell out of character to try to convince me that Skumbag towntelled (to which I disagree), and when faced with adversity, said I was trying to be difficult (also correct), but he remained calm and that didn't change his read on me. I read that as townie. I'd probably also read it as townie if someone called me a pompous arse in response to a provocation fwiw.
Need to run off to work. Hope to see some more activity on the return.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:25 pm
by Enchant
It's surely not different person?
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:26 pm
by Vivax
I'm almost embarrassed at myself for going into self-meta from a patently false statement that town doesn't have to brag. Many players love to brag about their performance and that doesn't make them mafia.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:27 pm
by MathBlade
In post 1402, Vivax wrote:I'm almost embarrassed at myself for going into self-meta from a patently false statement that town doesn't have to brag. Many players love to brag about their performance and that doesn't make them mafia.
In post 1402, Vivax wrote:I'm almost embarrassed at myself for going into self-meta from a patently false statement that town doesn't have to brag. Many players love to brag about their performance and that doesn't make them mafia.
In post 1402, Vivax wrote:I'm almost embarrassed at myself for going into self-meta from a patently false statement that town doesn't have to brag. Many players love to brag about their performance and that doesn't make them mafia.
Scum over brag.
Not that town doesn’t.
Averaging down now are we
Repeating to avoid your misrep
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:40 pm
by Vivax
I'm quite disappointed that I can't find a waving flag of Pi.gif to characterize your...flexibility in your convictions to not call it another way. But all I run into on google is polyamory flags. Maybe that's your gimmick though, because you're just trying to pocket everyone in the game.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:06 pm
by Vivax
*crickets*
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:07 pm
by Vivax
I'm sorry mathblade. Making you run in circles was fun, but to be completely honest, your slot was doomed from the start and making you sub in was pure cruelty. I cannot stand this damning silence any longer, and I am afraid that the overexertion from having to deal with me might be morally questionable, even though you are confirmed mafia.
I will grant you a mercy kill here so you may recover in peace.
We could have avoided a lot of this if you just read my ISO, and paid attention to what Aisa had spoilered in her posts on ejjnami:
In post 7, Roden wrote:I have no idea who I'd want as a leader just looking at the player list. From what I'd guess though, we want to elect consensus town reads who are also good at reading others, since it looks like we'll have to rely on them to make choices in future events.
so where's your vote for me?
I don't know you.
It’s not Hectic’s alt. What more do you need to know?
idk why but TOWN
This one was a town spew. Peng elim was bad in hindsight. Judging by beginning, CSF and NAHL (reminder:the mafia) were preferentially interacting a good amount with each other which is uncommon from my experience, so not easy catches.
In post 40, ejjinami wrote:Ahahahahahhaah the link to the mafia chat has been removed from the OP
Dammit, I was gonna start by saying that that I’m disappointed by it not being a rick-roll XD
it’s not like anything changes anyway
Welp, rip
Really? The mafia chat was in the OP and nami was in it and still played the game? Maybe we should talk about that before I go on. Now I feel stupid for sussing GE when we can just vote nami and win the game.
In post 46, ejjinami wrote:Currently, thinking about Roden and cat scratch
as well (irony)
(that’s a pretty common opinion)
(wouldn’t rush it)
I wouldn’t mind nominating myself either just because the leader role sounds goddamn cool XD
but like, if I were to be honest- my read accuracy on MS was never much above rand :/
so yeah…
I recognize that I’m just acting illogical
I don't actually consider myself trustable
Oh okay then.
VOTE: ejjinami
That's it?That's the joke?Mafia got outed by the OP and ejjnami is playing along like this? Bruh
This was the pyre, and Aisa just brought the torch.
Reminder:
There are a lot of jokes in his ISO. Initially I wanted to make a list of all his posts that were jokes but I gave up.
You are a victim of this game, mathblade. This is actually an episode of candid camera and everyone knew you were mafia from the start. The predecessor to your slot knew this, look at my quotes in the spoilers, then look at this, bolded and understriked:
In post 78, Andante wrote:
I mean, I'm assuming everything people are saying in terms of reads are just very mild, not locktown level.. I think you're fine!! lol wait
@ejjinami, do you not like people voicing their reads in the moment? like, you just straight to the conclusion... a comment on post 7 of a game is a lock town read? idk, it just feels like you're trying to pick apart the little things, as get us not trusting the people who you know are gonna be the most obv town or something... idk, feels weird, I think 47 was in the posts of yours I gave up on, or I'd have commented at the time.
In post 64, ejjinami wrote:oh and Aisa is giving me bad vibes tho that's most likely becuase of their playstyle, not necessarily alignment
frankly, this feels like one of those games where I'll need several days just to get to know the players personally before trying to determine anything
ahhh there we go... that "hidden agenda" behind yelling at Aisa over a "lock town read on post 7" on a real note though, can we please not play the game like "Bad vibes here!!! cuz playstyle, but bad vibes!!!" like, I could definitely say the same about you right now, I can't stand your playstyle, but, I'm reading your posts.. like, where you said you'd heal csf/roden like, they haven't done too much this game, you went after Aisa for TRing Roden for one of their like only posts thus far yet you also TR that same post so why?? like, if you TR the same person as Aisa. and that person has 1 post.. yet you just said there was no way Aisa could TR Roden off that 1 post.. there's no new content.. it's still just that 1 post..
holy fuck just kill me
it seriously feels like you’re focusing on me solely because you’re in a state of emotional excitement
read my posts again, please. Half of what you’re talking about can be deduced easily
the other half is just simply a misunderstanding of what I’m writing
Emotional misunderstandings are generally townie but holy damn I seriously hope I was wrong about the leader mechanics
my initial reads are too weak to explain. Treat them as non-existent or just vote me when you have the opportunity to do so
What I meant by “I think their personality is just pinging me” – is that I may be getting pinged by something that’s totally normal for them. That’s a way of me saying- I notice the ping and consider it NAI.
Ejjnami knew they were outed but still played along for the sake of the game. This is one instance where they were like 'Bruh stop pushing me just kill me already we know how it is'.
I applaud your efforts to stay alive, but we're not allowing a single more ML in this town. Your scum play is admirable, I will say. It was an honour to play with you.
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:24 am
by MathBlade
First paragraph => More useless attempts to shade
Quoted post => Players joke. That’s NAI until it stops solving. Yours did. My slot told that joke you quoted and that’s it.
Reminder quote => That’s about you not ejj.
Next paragraph => More useless attempts to shade. I have replaced into “doomed” slots and won them.
Last quote => Frustrated town.
Last paragraph => More fake confidence
You’re literally pulling a “confidence” con.
It’s all projection.
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:25 am
by MathBlade
You had all the time in the world to make a case and you push me for my prior slot making one joke and literal misrep anyone can misread.
Not gonna lie that sounds pretty nice for myself if I were.
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:11 am
by Aisa
In post 1390, JohnnyFarrar wrote:This is a lot of reading for a game I thought was solved? What's going on
Me. All that's going on is me, I'm afraid. Sometimes I want to triple- and quadruple-reread everything and I'm afraid you've caught me in one of those moods. I also wouldn't say the game is solved, but eh.
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:15 am
by Aisa
Anyway. I'm personally ready to end the day and
I intend to hammer Vivax
.
I'm not massively massively confident it's him, but it's my best guess and I'm not sure how much more I have left to give today.
If this doesn't end the game I think Math's slot is slightly more suspicious than the other two, but all slots will need to be reevaluated tomorrow. To borrow Enchant's words, y'all better turn into paranoid fucks.
I don't mind holding off on the hammer if people feel like they need more time, though.
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:20 am
by Enchant
VOTE: Vivix
Go ahead.
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:22 am
by Aisa
...Go ahead with what? You hammered.
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:24 am
by Aisa
Though before you interrupted my train of thought I was going to post "...can't believe I now have to wait for you all to check in to be able to hammer", so I am secretly pleased
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:25 am
by Enchant
Bruh i didn't even intend to hammer.
Maybe we just won and whatever.
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:32 am
by Aisa
No comment bruh. I hope we won too!
Also I have been pretty bad at counting votes this game so I keep going back and checking that it is a hammer. I think it is.
...Can't believe I am alone with my thoughts and have to wait an unknown amount of time for this flip
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:33 am
by Enchant
It was. And yes, it's same miscounting made me think Math unvoted not on E-1.
So i think it makes Math more legit.
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:34 am
by Enchant
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:37 am
by Aisa
Why are you scumcasing yourself?
I did like your "Who wants to be a millionaire?" meme by the way
I did like your "Who wants to be a millionaire?" meme by the way
If you about pic, it means i accidently hammered, but Vivax was maf so it was not accident, but sign.
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:50 am
by Aisa
I did mean the pic
Can get on board with thinking it's a sign we've won this game cold hard reality can wait for tomorrow
...I need to leave this thread don't I
cold hard reality can wait for tomorrow