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Is there value to quoting that, or are you just trying to remind everybody as to why you're scum?

I actually forgot about it but I'm picking it apart right now.

Jack, my read on you changing because my read on VV hasn't changed doesn't mean a whole lot. You defending it by saying "I must not have anything else on you" is reaching.

Mothrax's disappearance IS suspect...

Where's inHim...we need Seraphs.

The fact that VV has taken on my defense...I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW TOWN HE IS.

Confirmationbiasconfirmationbiasconfirmationbias.
Sorry.
Had to get that out of my system.

RayFrost wrote:This post says a lot of stuff without saying much of anything, imo. Sure, she gives gneeric reads, but she doesn't provide anything remotely in the realm of reasoning for the majority of them (gud, furc, rf, vv). The stuff regarding BS reads like coasting more than genine feelings to me. Moderate scumminess.

It was lot to catch up on, so no, I didn't really give the best reads at the beginning. It's also hard to give a whole lot with Fate and Andrius running the show.

RayFrost wrote:Last bit of this post reads like overcautious scum trying to avoid slipping. I think empking had a similar issue. Minor scumminess.

Empking was town so I don't know what you were trying to connect with him, then calling it out as minorly scummy.

RayFrost wrote:Next post makes it make sense, though. Feels geniune, change the effect to null.

Ok...fair enough.

RayFrost wrote:This reads like feigned raegdisbelief to try and get minor brownie points.

Here's where that confirmation bias comes in. I can understand the read, but I find that even as scum, I am very genuine in my reactions to things.

RayFrost wrote:I shall describe what I got out of this post. "Furc is town. Vote: Furc" Excuse me as I proceed to

Not really vote but pace a major suspicion tab on: SS

Excuse me while I already explained that we needed a lynch and we needed a flip. Neither of which were occurring at the time.

RayFrost wrote:Already covered my issue with this post

I'll have to find it to remember if I responded to it already...

RayFrost wrote:Another "Furc is town" post... but with a vote on furc.

You said this twice. So you're either dumb or trying to make me look worse on purpose thinking no one would notice how dumb it is to literally say the same thing twice in one post.

RayFrost wrote:I'm voting for someone I think is town because we need informatin from watching him flip. I think he'll flip town, meaning we get no information, but let's do it anyway. Yeah... If VV is scum, SS is definitely so. Vice Versa. (I say this from the "I'd be willing to lynch VV, but I'm still voting furc" in that post)

YOU DON'T THINK WE GET INFORMATION FROM TOWN FLIPS ARE YOU RETARDED. This is the dumbest thing you've said all game. AND THE THIRD TIME YOU'VE MENTIONED ME WANTING TO LYNCH SOMEONE I THINK IS TOWN FOR INFORMATION.
You also seem to have dropped the whole VV must be scum in your most recent posts, so...

RayFrost wrote:Reads like sincere rage. Not sure if the rage sincerity means anything.

I dunno. Like I said, even my scum play is genuine, so...

RayFrost wrote:Vote BS for no real reasoning at all. Woohoo wagoning. +++scumpoints.

Fair point. Agreeing with you wasn't enough, though I admit I didn't agree with you until AFTER she didn't react well to it.

RayFrost wrote:Again with the 'vv is suspect, but I really kinda want to go with this other person' business. HUEGLY SUSPECT.

"Again"? And he wasn't playing how I expected him to. DERP. The Seraphs gave reads on more than one person. Was that suspicious, too?

RayFrost wrote:Tells mothrax he is wrong but doesn't present any form of case on me or even follows through with apparant suspicion. Is this

purely

nitpicking at mothrax?

Why would I present a case on you? NOWHERE was I saying anything about you being scummy. I was pointing out how Mothrax was wrong and didn't back it up. Of everything I had to say in that post, that was the ONLY thing you had to comment on?

RayFrost wrote:This post has

even more

connections to VV. My dear lord. If ss flips scum she should get a title for being such an obvious distancer. I swear.

How is this distancing? Isn't the point of distancing an "I disagree with this person we are not the same don't connect us semi bussing act" sort of thing?

RayFrost wrote:First part of post reads like pointless false frustrations.

This is the third time you've misread my emotions as being fake.

RayFrost wrote:Overall: If VV is not the uber ultra obv scum of the year, SS is going to get my vote. Just saying.

And now you've seemingly dropped VVscum.

Seriously, , you're scum looking for a reason to back up the Seraph's reads. If my FUCKINGFANTASTICTOWNREAD on VV is correct, the Seraphs were wrong in EVERY SINGLE READ. I'm beginning to seriously doubt our choice in Seraphs if those are the ones that are supposed to be on our side. How did they confirm that Andrius and inHim were town again? inHim had a neighborizing ability, but how did they confirm inHim was town in the first place? How did they confirm they were town to inHim and Andrius? What's this big thing up their sleeves that we've been waiting for/that was the reason we quicklynched the first half of this day? Where did they go? When are we supposed to lynch this day?

WHY THE FUCK WAS FURC KILLED INSTEAD OF THE ONE FUCKING PERSON ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING.

Granted, I know it'd be a huge stretch that they aren't the town Seraphs considering how hard they worked and the fact that most things line up. But seriously, wtf is wrong with this picture...

Completely gone for the weekend. Happy Super Bowl indeed... :money:

singersigner wrote: Jack, my read on you changing because my read on VV hasn't changed doesn't mean a whole lot. You defending it by saying "I must not have anything else on you" is reaching.

How is it reaching? You quoted the post and added an unhappy face, then said the slip was too convenient, and that was the sum total of your stated reasons for moving from your town read to an "sk read". Now you keep trying to tack on things like "deflection" and "reaching" to justify yourself, even after I quoted from another game where I pretended to scumslip in my first post.

If you're trying to backtrack and say it was PoE, state so explicitly (in reference to your first sentence).

Sorry for my absence, my lords.

Well, with Piercing Eye out there, I'm giving a lot more credence to what VV is saying about singersigner. Makes Nacho/Jack so much more likely now and moves mothrax in a worse direction.

The question is which way gives us the best path to victory. Going to do some work on this Today, just not right now. Probably after lunch.

OHSNAP.

VV IS CONFTOWN.

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. .

My lord, I'm going to have to reread this game AGAIN. With all the reading I'm doing for this, I'll have read more than OoT mafia.

My lynch priorities. If 0 were confirmed scum and 10 were confirmed Town...
Nacho - 3
Jack - 4
Moth - 4
SS - 8
RF - 8
inHim - 10

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Why investigate me? Why not SS/moth/jack/Nacho? (FWIW, I worked soo hard to get SS investigated by extreme defense. It would have been 150% better if they had copped SS instead of me. I have no reason to defend SS like that as scum. We'd have 1 confTown(SS) and 1probTown(Me) that way instead of just 1 ConfTown. I was hoping you'd get the hint. >.>)

VV being conftown changes nothing imo. He is still town.

un-proxying my vote.

ray, inhim and Vas are on my notouch list.

which leaves SS, Nacho, and Jack.

SS is moving towards the top of the list as well (top being good.) her recent posts read town to me, especially in her reaction to rf's case. While she is screaming confbias(wrong) I can tell she believes it.

Jack has been way too uninvolved at this point. Do I think the slip on pg 1 was a scumtell? No. But the rest of his behavior turns me off... A1: The slip was engineered to look like an infogathering gambit, so why not use said info?

Nacho, I really have no read on. His inactivity early on reflects poorly, but his recent posts are screaming town...

Out of Jack/Nacho/SS I would rather lynch jack.



Also, I am still not sold on the presence of an SK but without a vig flip as of yet, and without knowing where the extra kills come from, I am at a loss for any other explanation. Someone who isn't scum killed fate, but who was it?

mothrax wrote: Also, I am still not sold on the presence of an SK but without a vig flip as of yet, and without knowing where the extra kills come from, I am at a loss for any other explanation. Someone who isn't scum killed fate, but who was it?

Wow, you're the SK.

lolno.
The reasons I am not sold:
inconsistant kills
setup speculation (same # of players from moho... which town lost, why add another anti-town element?)

I thought there were less players in MoHo.

Hmmm... seems you are right... 17 in MoHo, 20 in MoCo. (not counting seraphs.)

mothrax wrote:lolno.
The reasons I am not sold:
inconsistant kills
setup speculation (same # of players from moho... which town lost, why add another anti-town element?)

>Town Seraphs have not given out a vig.
>The scum vig was granted this game day as per furc's comments.
>There is not reason to believe that the lack of kill on certain times is a result of anything other than a SK matching the scum or simply not shooting (in the case of a SK getting NK immunity y not killing, one might choose that option).

P.S.: We've gone over the above stuff already. Only thing new is knowing the vig is a day killing power, meaning that the attempted the impossible kills be a vig hit.

Oh, tht and knowing scum hadn't granted it yet.

Mercy...?


inHimshallibe, Jack, Nachomamma8, RayFrost, singersigner, VasudeVa,

Did you have to choose wite for that? I couldn't tell what it was x.x"

Also, is this a good or bad sign?

badbadbad.

In MoHo, Quick Change was a scum ability that gave scum faith for recharging the battery.
I'm sure Hito will reaffirm this, though.

I'm also RECALIBRATING after town-VV...

Nacho is more town than jack who is less scum than mothrax.

It almost seems too easy...

inHim, if you could confirm how they confirmed you were town, that would be a lot more reassuring.

Something's just not right...RayFrost, I love you man, and even though you've been a big meanie to me lately I've still assumed you were town...but seriously...this three "basically confirmed" and me...we're not at liberty to get anything wrong, and if even just ONE PERSON is allowed to slip by, we lose.

I mean, not that I can really imagine RayFrost putting in all this effort if he were scum, considering most everyone has just kind of coasted until pressure was put on them, but...seriously, why Furc? He was useless, practically confirmed obvtown, versus RF who's been carrying the town on his shoulders. Unless scum/SK/vig (whoever it was) was trying to invoke this huge WIFOMtastic situation...

Mothrax, what doesn't settle well with me is that you're starting to call me more town-ish, but with process of elimination, you should have at least a third suspect (unless you can find a better reason to believe there's no SK). If it's not me, then who's scum/SK with Nacho and Jack? Also, you say "why not use that info" from Jack's gambit at the beginning...so what info exactly are you drawing conclusions from?