Gears of War Mafia - ( Game Over! )

[Angelious Nero]

Jump onto Fitz so we can get into night phase, and not lose any potential active town players?

????????

scum love to shoot active players and leave lurky anti-town players alive.

but Fitz ain't a bad kill at all.

[Piratecat]

Fitz seems town.

name one "town" thing that fitz has done

[Piratecat]

Bullshit. Town can make contradictions.

Yeah, please tell me what Fitz has done to make him seem town to you? Or you just going to buddy Fitz like you did to Absta that mini game?

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote for you two

Spoiler:

[Ms Marangal]

Then move onto Fitz AAnero, and by not lynching Slandaar, we potentially lose less active town players so...

and why is Fitz town? at best, he could be uninterested Town who actually cares less about this game, which isn't something this game needs.

and that was a rhetorical question Slandaar

[Ms Marangal]

Then move onto Fitz AAnero, and by not lynching Slandaar, we potentially lose less active town players so...

and why is Fitz town? at best, he could be uninterested Town who actually cares less about this game, which isn't something this game needs.

and that was a rhetorical question Slandaar

[Slandaar]

Fitzscum cares about how he appears much more.

[Ms Marangal]

Then move onto Fitz AAnero, and by not lynching Slandaar, we potentially lose less active town players so...

and why is Fitz town?

at best, he could be uninterested Town who actually cares less about this game, which isn't something this game needs.

and that was a rhetorical question Slandaar

he's a better target then you are, and at this stage I'm not going to get my top choices. others are willing to vote Fitz, so I would much rather go after him then go after you.

[Ms Marangal]

Then move onto Fitz AAnero, and by not lynching Slandaar, we potentially lose less active town players so...

and why is Fitz town?

at best, he could be uninterested Town who actually cares less about this game, which isn't something this game needs.

and that was a rhetorical question Slandaar

he's a better target then you are, and at this stage I'm not going to get my top choices. others are willing to vote Fitz, so I would much rather go after him then go after you.

[AngryPidgeon]

Fitzscum cares about how he appears much more.

And its posts like this that make me happy to be in the not-lynching-slandaar camp

[Piratecat]

Pirate: I think you are town because you voted to lynch my scumread
Pirate Explanation: You are town NOT because I think you are voting scum its because I think scum would more likely keep Slandaar in the game than Messiah. By voting Slandaar you are trying to lynch the person scum would want to keep around so you are not scum.

That isn't town.

Clearly.

It is assuming Messiah and I are both town; which makes no sense from her perspective.

I think you are scum, slaandar. your cases are BAD. you flailed around in your back and forth with majiffy. you have a town read on fitz for...what reason exactly ?

however we do take in consideration other players reads. mastin seems protown so far and we respect his reads. that is the only reason why the waffling on you.

hey if you trolleytrack on town a lot, maybe you should think about...I dunno, not doing it? improving one's game is a great but underrated thing.

did you want to repeat the questions you think we did not answer or is it true that it does not matter what the response is and you will only find some ridiculous type of scum motivation behind it because you a) are going in with a confirmation bias or b) scum?

[Ms Marangal]

Town are more likely to have confirmation Bias then Scum will Mollie. I'm pretty positive that Slandaar is town, he's town reading Fitz based off Meta which, I think is weak, but Viable coming from a town perspective.

[Slandaar]

I think you are scum, slaandar. your cases are BAD. you flailed around in your back and forth with majiffy. you have a town read on fitz for...what reason exactly ?

I explained it.

hey if you trolleytrack on town a lot, maybe you should think about...I dunno, not doing it? improving one's game is a great but underrated thing.

I don't know where you get the impression I do it on town a lot.

did you want to repeat the questions you think we did not answer or is it true that it does not matter what the response is and you will only find some ridiculous type of scum motivation behind it because you a) are going in with a confirmation bias or b) scum?

Now you wish to answer them?

Too late.

Be worried my case on you will be huge and yes it will include the fact you couldn't answer simple questions then try to turn it round on me like I didn't want the answers.

[Piratecat]

Fitzscum cares about how he appears much more.

so at some point you will have no problem pulling up a meta case on him in order to support this and to justify the reasoning behind it.

Town are more likely to have confirmation Bias then Scum will Mollie. I'm pretty positive that Slandaar is town, he's town reading Fitz based off Meta which, I think is weak, but Viable coming from a town perspective.

hhhmmm....

here is the thing. when town does it, it is confirmation bias (trolleytracking). when scum do it, it is a form of what I have come to coin "scum tunneling". the motivations behind the 2 are very different

trolleytracking is when a player is so transfixed on their target that they get literally blindsighted by scum and get hurt in the process. it is a hockey term and it means you get knocked to the ground cos you didn't see your opponent (scum) coming and you lose teeth and get bruised. scum tunneling provides a smokescreen for scum to focus on one town player and not be accountable for the rest of their reads or their play. slaandar is trying to paint what are actually not scumtells into scumtells. that is scummy but he did this to me (mollie) in the titanium game and he was town. he claims a meta read on one player but ignores the meta of another player whom he has played with before whom he misread. it makes us go hhhmmm...

[Piratecat]

I think you are scum, slaandar. your cases are BAD. you flailed around in your back and forth with majiffy. you have a town read on fitz for...what reason exactly ?

I explained it.

hey if you trolleytrack on town a lot, maybe you should think about...I dunno, not doing it? improving one's game is a great but underrated thing.

I don't know where you get the impression I do it on town a lot.

did you want to repeat the questions you think we did not answer or is it true that it does not matter what the response is and you will only find some ridiculous type of scum motivation behind it because you a) are going in with a confirmation bias or b) scum?

Now you wish to answer them?

Too late.

Be worried my case on you will be huge and yes it will include the fact you couldn't answer simple questions then try to turn it round on me like I didn't want the answers.

1. addressed that in the above post
2. ohhhhhh reeeeeaaaally? so far we have seen examples of you doing it regardless of alignment. correct us if we are wrong, but is that not what your whole defense to cryo's case is based on? oh my, have we spotted an inconsistency here?
3. we asked you about the questions earlier did you miss that post or what. your case will be full of shit (null tell for you, apparently) and you will lose credibility and will have to acknowledge that you cannot read us and are prone to going after what you think is low hanging fruit, again, apparently a null tell for you.

also we answered your questions (as stated earlier) but if you posted some new ones that we missed, then we will answer (as stated earlier) <------ who is ignoring who now

yeah, you need to fix your game.

[Piratecat]

Jump onto Fitz so we can get into night phase, and not lose any potential active town players?

????????

scum love to shoot active players and leave lurky anti-town players alive.

but Fitz ain't a bad kill at all.

interesting...

[Slandaar]

Fitzscum cares about how he appears much more.

so at some point you will have no problem pulling up a meta case on him in order to support this and to justify the reasoning behind it.

lol

I probably won't be doing that.

he claims a meta read on one player but ignores the meta of another player whom he has played with before whom he misread. it makes us go hhhmmm...

I misread you before so I wouldn't do it again?

Logical fallacy.

ignores the meta of another player

I never had this contradiction issue with Mollie when she was town.

Hey look! Sland did use meta on Pirate!

so far we have seen examples of you doing it regardless of alignment. correct us if we are wrong, but is that not what your whole defense to cryo's case is based on?

This is about right.

Calling Cryo's 'case' a case is laughable though.

oh my, have we spotted an inconsistency here?

Have you?

I tunnel as town a lot = I tunnel on town a lot

Nope you havn't. Its relative; I tunnel on scum a high % compared to the base numbers; perhaps if you use flat how many times have you tunnel town its a lot; but that clearly isn't what was being said as seen;

yeah, you need to fix your game.

And if people don't get that; in flat numbers I could tunnel 50 town and 5000 scum; so yes 50 times is a lot; but I clearly wouldn't need to 'fix my game'.

we asked you about the questions earlier did you miss that post or what.

I no longer care for the answers.

you will lose credibility

Well not when you flip scum I won't.

and are prone to going after what you think is low hanging fruit, again, apparently a null tell for you.

This clearly doesn't enter my mind. Low hanging fruit or not why does it matter if I think they are scum?

I would rather lynch havingfits personally and he is tweaking the other head's scumdar too.

Oh wait; you are going after low hanging fruit???

[Slandaar]

I scum hunt and my reasoning may seemingly appear contradictory this is the same dumb bullshit you went after me in the titanium game.

You are lying

I might show everyone later

Well it became relevant

Lets have a look at why I thought she was scum in said game;

ISO
The final vote
Initial
It seems I didn't find Pirate contradictory in this game which completely backs up what I was saying earlier.

So, now that has been proven false Pirate can no longer pretend that contradicitons are her playstyle. Which if any town actually believed you are really gullible.

Call this the Introduction to why Pirate is scum.

[Slandaar]

Pirate changing their views depending on the situation

@slaandar
do you remember how in the titanium game you thought I made a "slip" and then you trolleytacked on me like a mofo until I was lynched on d1?

Yep that is what happened.

Context: I have no votes.

Watch how the story changes later when she is trying to lynch me and I her;

I scum hunt and my reasoning may seemingly appear contradictory this is the same dumb bullshit you went after me in the titanium game.

See? completely different she completely contradicts herself she KNOWS why I thought she were scum for what I thought was a scumslip it had nothing to do with Contradictions. This is relevant because it shows how desperate her defences have become to try to avoid suspicion. Pirate has been caught, this should be obvious. It also shows she is trying to throw anything at me to try to get me lynched she is not actually trying to read me.

Lets look at her opinion of me when I have no votes;

@slaandar
do you remember how in the titanium game you thought I made a "slip" and then you trolleytacked on me like a mofo until I was lynched on d1? nearly ragequit the site after that, I have never seen such town stupidity from a lot of players

you are simply not as good as you think you are and you push horrible cases but I am chalking that up to the hubristic driven arrogance of youth which you need to get in check tbh.

slaandar looks awful. not the clear headed logical minded slaandar that I got to know in our previous game together.

The second quote again is when I have votes and she wants to fuel my wagon, her opinion COMPLETELY changed from the first quote and both are talking about the same thing

The scum motivation is very obvious.

Why Pirate thinks Sland is scum

tbh I don't know. it was never a trolleytracking thing for me

She says she never thought I was scum due to tunneling, however, in the exact same post we see:

and his inflexibility.

She accuses me of being scum due to being inflexible (tunneling) so she lied.

Pirate and Cryo: Buddies?

I still think this is likely; however as I explained a long time ago, this is part of a Pirate case because the simple fact is these quotes do not read right.

Okay. Why don't you interact with him to force a slip or a scummy comment instead of hanging back allowing the time to come?

Only one outcome; Cryo is scum, doesn't make sense, the town version of the question is 'why not try and get a better read on him' Difference is huge.

also how long are you planning on staying away from cryo

This really reads like scum. It REALLY does.

Pirate being a scumbag:

Pirate: How much do you know about GOW?

I ask a simple question, I get no reply.

Also you didn't answer my question.

I remind Pirate. I get no reply.

Then as simply as possible explain to me this;
Why did you sheep Majiffy when you think he just had a major scumtell 2 seconds prior?

And no; I did not say you sheeped Cryo and Why would me suggesting 2 people are scum and being wrong mean anything exactly?

I ask more questions

And I still want an answer re GOW knowledge.

And remind again about my initial question

I get no reply.

So then when I decide to lynch Pirate and the answers really don't matter anymore I get;

did you want to repeat the questions you think we did not answer or is it true that it does not matter what the response is and you will only find some ridiculous type of scum motivation behind it because you a) are going in with a confirmation bias or b) scum?

lol

She tries to suggest I am scum because I didn't want the answers. Hilarious.

Pirate's Make Believe Read

and you just moved up in my town pile. scum would much prefer to have slaandar in the game than out of it if this what he keeps presenting.

To read someone town using this reasoning they are assuming I and Messiah are town. If Messiah is scum; this clearly doesn't make sense at all. Its just a load of nonsense.

The Minor Points Section

hi guys!

mollie here

ahahahaha

pidgeywidgey thinking mala was me earlier. I am probably going to be a terrible influence on mala.

This is either excitement; or nervousness.

It is one of the 2. Doesn't make them scum but tied to everything else you can put 2 and 2 together and see nervous/excited scum. Generally town are not excited/nervous because you roll town so much its not that big a deal.

majiffy plz bus all of your teammates it will make this game so much easier

you dropped a mega scum tell

Fine but then that only minutes later we get;

and I am leaning that you are being an arrogant ass hth, no need to thank me in advance

sheeping your read on slaander for now

VOTE: slaander

Sheeping scum? Doesn't make much sense.

but this seriously might put a hurt on that read.

This might put a hurt on that read = Scum

It either did or it didn't there is no might.

This stands; think about it from scum 'it might put a hurt on that read' (because I need to think about if I want to call you town or scum) where town its an instant it did or it didn't hurt the read.

Conclusion

Pirate is scum.

The End.

[Piratecat]

Fitzscum cares about how he appears much more.

so at some point you will have no problem pulling up a meta case on him in order to support this and to justify the reasoning behind it.

lol

I probably won't be doing that.

he claims a meta read on one player but ignores the meta of another player whom he has played with before whom he misread. it makes us go hhhmmm...

I misread you before so I wouldn't do it again?

Logical fallacy.

ignores the meta of another player

I never had this contradiction issue with Mollie when she was town.

Hey look! Sland did use meta on Pirate!

so far we have seen examples of you doing it regardless of alignment. correct us if we are wrong, but is that not what your whole defense to cryo's case is based on?

This is about right.

Calling Cryo's 'case' a case is laughable though.

oh my, have we spotted an inconsistency here?

Have you?

I tunnel as town a lot = I tunnel on town a lot

Nope you havn't. Its relative; I tunnel on scum a high % compared to the base numbers; perhaps if you use flat how many times have you tunnel town its a lot; but that clearly isn't what was being said as seen;

yeah, you need to fix your game.

And if people don't get that; in flat numbers I could tunnel 50 town and 5000 scum; so yes 50 times is a lot; but I clearly wouldn't need to 'fix my game'.

we asked you about the questions earlier did you miss that post or what.

I no longer care for the answers.

you will lose credibility

Well not when you flip scum I won't.

and are prone to going after what you think is low hanging fruit, again, apparently a null tell for you.

This clearly doesn't enter my mind. Low hanging fruit or not why does it matter if I think they are scum?

I would rather lynch havingfits personally and he is tweaking the other head's scumdar too.

Oh wait; you are going after low hanging fruit???

Fitzscum cares about how he appears much more.

so at some point you will have no problem pulling up a meta case on him in order to support this and to justify the reasoning behind it.

lol

I probably won't be doing that.

he claims a meta read on one player but ignores the meta of another player whom he has played with before whom he misread. it makes us go hhhmmm...

I misread you before so I wouldn't do it again?

Logical fallacy.

ignores the meta of another player

I never had this contradiction issue with Mollie when she was town.

Hey look! Sland did use meta on Pirate!

so far we have seen examples of you doing it regardless of alignment. correct us if we are wrong, but is that not what your whole defense to cryo's case is based on?

This is about right.

Calling Cryo's 'case' a case is laughable though.

oh my, have we spotted an inconsistency here?

Have you?

I tunnel as town a lot = I tunnel on town a lot

Nope you havn't. Its relative; I tunnel on scum a high % compared to the base numbers; perhaps if you use flat how many times have you tunnel town its a lot; but that clearly isn't what was being said as seen;

yeah, you need to fix your game.

And if people don't get that; in flat numbers I could tunnel 50 town and 5000 scum; so yes 50 times is a lot; but I clearly wouldn't need to 'fix my game'.

we asked you about the questions earlier did you miss that post or what.

I no longer care for the answers.

you will lose credibility

Well not when you flip scum I won't.

and are prone to going after what you think is low hanging fruit, again, apparently a null tell for you.

This clearly doesn't enter my mind. Low hanging fruit or not why does it matter if I think they are scum?

I would rather lynch havingfits personally and he is tweaking the other head's scumdar too.

Oh wait; you are going after low hanging fruit???

I am just going to number our responses to make it easier for you and everyone else.

1. how surprising.

2. spot the fallacy and name it. then go back and cite your own. then you will have earned a bit of cred.

3. what is interesting is that later in this post you self-cite meta. but it was brought up in that game and you soft supported with follow-up responses. this is why I don't iso; things are taken out of context and can be painted however way you like. the key to the game is the timing of posts. and oh, I will come back to this.

4. I don't think it is laughable. however, there

is

a difference between your town trolleytracking and your scum tunneling I think, no matter how you choose to dance around that.

5. okay.

6. of course you don't care about the questions it seems you did not care about the answers in the first place. as far as I know, we have answered the questions.

repeat: if you have asked us questions that you feel we have not answered in the first place then remind us of what questions you do feel that you need answers to

.

^ earnest request btw.

7. we are not going to flip scum. are you going to dismiss our reads cos...that is what you do?

8. cos that is what scum does. and retarded town. where do you fit in with this.

9. so you think havingfitz is low hanging fruit?

tell me moar about the meta town read on him that you have no interest in supplying...

you have a crap case on us and I cannot determine if it is pride, confirmation bias or if you are scum.

look at what else is going on around you. think about what you are seeing here. <---- only applies if you are town.

if you are scum plz don't bother

[Piratecat]

xpost: lol. I don't have the patience to deal with you and it is directly related to what I said earlier about some player's prediliction for style over substance.

[Piratecat]

*predilection

[Slandaar]

I have explained Fitz; he seems town because when hes scum he tries to look town where here he isn't. Not foolproof but especially in his catchup bits I am pretty sure as scum he would write more.

I have no desire to write a case touting his townness though lol.

Why do you think this is such a big issue?

[Slandaar]

How about you do this meta analysis on the difference between my scum tunnel and town tunnel then compare it to here?

Oh right. Why are you voting me again?

[Slandaar]

Thanks for the numbers but lets put your responses where they should be;

you will lose credibility

Well not when you flip scum I won't.

7. we are not going to flip scum. are you going to dismiss our reads cos...that is what you do?

What?

and are prone to going after what you think is low hanging fruit, again, apparently a null tell for you.

This clearly doesn't enter my mind. Low hanging fruit or not why does it matter if I think they are scum?

8. cos that is what scum does. and retarded town. where do you fit in with this.

Except when they are scum and then what?

Funny you didn't account for that in your analysis.

I would love you to show all these low hanging fruit I go after btw.

I would rather lynch havingfits personally and he is tweaking the other head's scumdar too.

Oh wait; you are going after low hanging fruit???

9. so you think havingfitz is low hanging fruit?

Well if anyone is he is. And that means you are scum or retarded town.

And you keep telling me I am bad so, I guess you can't be retarded town can you?