A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Benmage]

Thats easy. Thor is not someone i want lynched today. SafetyDance either.

unvote. Vote: Garruk

Those of you who think im town and are on single vote wagons would do well to consolidate.

See, this is my problem with you. You don't give full explanations on votes. And with this vote all you said was that we were scum. In 56 pages, you should have more reasons. For all of your votes.

Unvote, vote Ooba

-SSK

Cause all the ooba votes are thoroughly explained, huh?

[Alfred Borden]

Unvote

I'll be investing a bunch of time into this game tonight and I am NOT going to let a wagon go through unvetted.

Ooba
#1393 CW marshalling,
6 votes doesn't seem like 'this is where you start if I'm lynched' territory.

"I reverse my read on Shadoweh --> Tierce is a scumread that won't get lynched today" isn't scummy though.
End of 513 looks townish too.
Ooba why shouldn't we lynch you?
Read explanations look scanny at first but some of them show thinking-time. Also contemplating others' ideas.

Meh, Ooba has a good effort to text ratio.

[macmollie]

This head was about to express support for Zdenek's Amrun vote but then noticed the thing above about sort-of retroactive V/LA. We'll see what happens when she catches up.

so why didn't you help thor and I out by voting her before she went on v/la?

JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE GOAT PEOPLE IS SCUM!!!

VOTE: goat people

[Cephrir]

Yes. Yes, they are.

[macmollie]

Yes. Yes, they are.

I was starting to feel like cassandra and still feel like cassandra but at least 1 person is paying attention. he really really is.

[Shadoweh]

SOYLENT GREEN IS GOAT PEOPLE
Mr. Garbage Poster, do you think you can ramp up a wagon on goat people in three days? (maybe people would ignore you less if you posted more sensibly and with less line breaks)

Zdenek: I don't know. He's honestly not the first person I would have picked today.

[Goat on a Raft]

so why didn't you help thor and I out by voting her before she went on v/la?

Because that was before, time has passed, Zdenek put it more succinctly than you or, particularly, Thor has done and his pointing it out when he did helped us realise how long it had been since Amrun had done anything town. We then spotted the post at the top of the page.

JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE MOLLIE IS CONFIRMATION BIASED UP THE WAZOO

[macmollie]

shadow person you could help me out by voting them and selling it door to door

eta: succinctly means short and I am not sure you could have gotten any shorter than mine or thor's naked votes

[Goat on a Raft]

Thor: "putting it succinctly" requires something to be "put". His actual vote, sure, it's short. His explanations are in big piles of Thorness, most of which are over this head's personal can-I-be-arsed-to-read-it post length.

Similarly, you've barely said anything about Amrun. What there was, we've ignored, because you are frustrating us.

Are we going a little bit too far here defending what's basically just poor word choice when we should have just said that we didn't ever notice a good Amrun vote or explanation at the times when they were made? Yes. Can we be arsed to backspace? No. It's 1am, we were trying to go to bed way earlier than this. Deal with it.

[Goat on a Raft]

Ordinarily, we'd be pretty happy for you to see our flip and eat a huge fucking all-you-can-eat humble buffet but we're too excited about playing in this game to be keen on dying just yet. It would actually be less annoying if you were scum, but we don't think you are.

[Shadoweh]

I don't disagree that Amrun using v/la as an excuse could be seen as scummy, but I doubt enough people are going to be willing to vote Amrun with that reasoning. I could be wrong, but usually v/la induced badness is allowed to try and post to make up for it first? Basically unless the case is alot heavier then 'Amrun who says she should have been v/la was lurking' it isn't going to go all the way. That and people are pretty comfy with how ooba is going so you have to fight the wishes not to change their minds.

mollie: see above about hard sells of other cases right now. I mean, I'm not against Goat Wagon, but -why- is they scum? A salesman is only as good as their pitch.

[Nautilius]

Agar

Why?

This post right here. What do you think of ooba?

I think he's town and I don't want him to die because he's being attacked for shitty reasons.

Benmage actually seems to be playing worse than Mollie in this game.
That is sad.

Why are you voting Amrun?

The Tierce scumread thing is a fair point but what bothers me about it more than anything is the progression into it. The rationale behind it just feels fake to me and it's pretty much impossible to see how he got from A to B.

Rationale is essentially "Tierce isn't doing shit except for pushing easy lynches, which I don't like" - I think it's a ballsy move as scum to defend two easy mislynches in the way he has and push Tierce while you are screaming and calling her town.

but at the same time it seems pretty easy for a player of his experience to fake and a lot of stuff in his posting

It also seems pretty easy for a player of his experience to avoid the obvious pitfalls you're accusing him of falling into.

You aren't really a remarkable presence?

Who are remarkable presences in this game?

What I think is going on here is that ooba is trying to redirect attention from himself to another person who is hanging around the bottom of everyone's lists--let's face it, we've been coasting quite a bit this game(although this also partially because people ignore us whenever we try to talk to people) and we are lurking in the "I dunno, could be scum" part of everyone's lists. We are an easy target for scum trying to redirect--which is what I think ooba is doing here.

I thought the transition from you being sort of scummy to being pretty scummy made a lot of sense; ooba caught up a bit, was coming back from vacation, so it makes sense that he would have a stronger read on you when he came back.

End of 513 looks townish too.

I knew you would see that.

[Nautilius]

Vote: Thor665

[macmollie]

okay

VOTE: thor

[macmollie]

@ mod: mac and I are both v/la for the weekend.

[Tammy]

Oh hey, safety dance still hasn't posted. So, like 60 hours ago he posted to say "catching up from where I last posted" and hasn't posted since.

So those of you defending him for being town, why? Like, okay he responded flippantly, awesome. Oh wait he gets really overwhelmed when he's scum. And he's not posting. What does that tell you?

Also, because I'm impatient and he's probably not going to answer anyway by this point, here is why I'm kinda fixated on his reads list and why he made it and what he thought he was going to achieve. I was hoping that empire would see this since he said he just read The Wire to compare his attitude, but he didn't or maybe just doesn't see that as interesting as I see it. And here is why I was kinda shocked that mollie was happy that he provided a reads list.

here is how town safety dance feels about reads list In this post, he points out several people who have made some types of reads without reasoning and calls it "Weak as Budwieser reads that do nothing to help with anything. List reads (or whatever you call them) are not proper reads or effective scumhunting. So it's not something you're going to see me throw out there."

When I was looking at The Wire the other night to see if there was a similarity in tone, I came across this. Then I read through several of his more recent games, and in not one of them did I find an immediate reads list like this. Can someone rectify for me how a person can call it not proper or effective scumhunting, not do it in town games, then do it here and it makes people happy? I mean I get the arguments against meta as I used to have them, but when someone has a belief like this and then go against it, it makes me go hmmm. Am I insane or what?

I'll be actually catching up with stuff later and am planning on starting to reread the game tonight. We'll see how that goes.

Oh

Holy wall wars 2013!

Tammy please stop playing like this.

No.

[Eddard Stark]

Sansa, permit me to share a bit of womanly wisdom with you on this very special day. Love is poison. A sweet poison, yes, but it will kill you all the same.
-Cersei Lannister

Day 1, Vc 39

PrideandJoy (1) -

Amrun

ooba (10) -

quadz08, PrideandJoy, AGar, Shadoweh, Tierce, Tammy, StupendousMan, Goat on a Raft, Syryana, Garruk Relentless

Thor665 (6) -

elleheathen, kanyeknowsbest, Benmage, Cephrir, Nautilius, macmollie

Goat on a Raft (1) -

displaced

Zdenek (1) -

Messiah Complex

Garruk Relentless (2) -

SafetyDance, ooba

Amrun (2) -

Thor665, Zdenek

Not voting (1)-

Alfred Borden

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 1st of October at 17:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-01 17:05:01)
  
• Thor and ooba are V/la

[Benmage]

MOD

is the Thor/Zdenek vote on Amrun only 1, or a mod error?

[macmollie]

tammy you are not crazy

was he town or scum that game cos I read the dead players list and the final credits and I can't tell

[Eddard Stark]

As far as I can tell the votecounts are

now

correct. If you think you see any errors please point them out.

[Shadoweh]

Nacho, before I tell you who I think is a 'notable presense' can you tell me why it's actually relevant to anything? If you're questioning my alignment I would hope you'd ask something more relevant then who I think the cool people are. It's the kind of question I'd gladly answer as scum because it doesn't mean anything.

[Tammy]

tammy you are not crazy

was he town or scum that game cos I read the dead players list and the final credits and I can't tell

oh lol. he was town. That game the cops were scum and the gangsters/drug dealers/killers were town.

[Cephrir]

Thor: "putting it succinctly" requires something to be "put". His actual vote, sure, it's short. His explanations are in big piles of Thorness, most of which are over this head's personal can-I-be-arsed-to-read-it post length.

Similarly, you've barely said anything about Amrun. What there was, we've ignored, because you are frustrating us.

Are we going a little bit too far here defending what's basically just poor word choice when we should have just said that we didn't ever notice a good Amrun vote or explanation at the times when they were made? Yes. Can we be arsed to backspace? No. It's 1am, we were trying to go to bed way earlier than this. Deal with it.

Ordinarily, we'd be pretty happy for you to see our flip and eat a huge fucking all-you-can-eat humble buffet but we're too excited about playing in this game to be keen on dying just yet. It would actually be less annoying if you were scum, but we don't think you are.

Do you actually have complete hydra synchonicity on all of these things or are you just using the royal we?

I don't disagree that Amrun using v/la as an excuse could be seen as scummy

Oh please, BS. Who else said this?

Oh hey, safety dance still hasn't posted. So, like 60 hours ago he posted to say "catching up from where I last posted" and hasn't posted since.

So those of you defending him for being town, why? Like, okay he responded flippantly, awesome. Oh wait he gets really overwhelmed when he's scum. And he's not posting. What does that tell you?

Also, because I'm impatient and he's probably not going to answer anyway by this point, here is why I'm kinda fixated on his reads list and why he made it and what he thought he was going to achieve. I was hoping that empire would see this since he said he just read The Wire to compare his attitude, but he didn't or maybe just doesn't see that as interesting as I see it. And here is why I was kinda shocked that mollie was happy that he provided a reads list.

here is how town safety dance feels about reads list In this post, he points out several people who have made some types of reads without reasoning and calls it "Weak as Budwieser reads that do nothing to help with anything. List reads (or whatever you call them) are not proper reads or effective scumhunting. So it's not something you're going to see me throw out there."

When I was looking at The Wire the other night to see if there was a similarity in tone, I came across this. Then I read through several of his more recent games, and in not one of them did I find an immediate reads list like this. Can someone rectify for me how a person can call it not proper or effective scumhunting, not do it in town games, then do it here and it makes people happy? I mean I get the arguments against meta as I used to have them, but when someone has a belief like this and then go against it, it makes me go hmmm. Am I insane or what?

This is pretty compelling. Also, tone in this post suggests to me that Tammy may be town.

[Shadoweh]

No one else said that. Just some people think Amrun is being lurky, and I personally think she has a habit of letting irl pull her from the game more when she's scum.

[Cephrir]

But...then... who were you "not disagreeing" with... ?