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In post 1368, Mac wrote:

morph wrote:I'm feeling a little better. I'm hydraing with Nacho in some other games and I know it's hellish trying to synch since his laptop was stolen.

understandable from nacho, but lack of content from gif is scaring me. and a lack of presence and cursing from ghostlin too.

morph wrote:It was, but do scum stick their neck out like that to throw suspicion and discredit on a potential town PR? If pieguyn hadn't already wigged out about our vote and indicated he's be proving himself before day end maybe it would have looked less genuine. maybe.

i had some strong feelings that it was a bit like pressuring pie into actually following through with his word, but i may need to re-read and double check.

In post 1246, thenewearth wrote:And yet again, if you thought that mastin was scum

Why were you voting thez?

you're better than this.

oh varsoon you're case is really just "you're push on me is scummy so you are scum." 1) whether it's "bad" is down to opinion. I don't think it was bad and up until recent posts I thought I had nailed scum. let's see...

varsoon wrote:Your initial logic for voting me was to cite posts/votes made by the Metal Sonic head of my previous Hydra? That's a poor appeal to make. I was voting you for that, but even if I said so, most players would chalk up my vote as an OMGUS, so I saved the idiots the trouble of foaming at the mouth.

my bad about the metal sonic thing, I'm going to assume you are being honest and had no say in it. still, I also compared it too your "wriggle wriggle" cheeky-scum routine in lylo of gears which you've conveniently missed.

varsoon wrote:You also said that I dropped off Pie's wagon when I realized he was town. No shit. How is that a scum move? If I was scum, wouldn't I -know- Pie were town all along?

what I actually said:

when his one scumread, pieguy, turns out to be fucking town, he runs away saying he needs to re-evaluate the game

ie you didn't vote for another scumread, you just shyed away from the light., big difference and a big misrep.

varsoon wrote:There's no agenda this game, because I'm town, and I don't need to look town, or play town, or do anything town at all.

ahahahaha sorry but this attitude is fucking terrible. why bother playing mafia if you are not gonna play to a fucking wincon?

varsoon wrote:All I need to do is find scum, and I can take my time doing so.

town works as a team varsoon. you know this as much as fucking anyone in this game.

varsoon wrote: Also, speaking of scum -looking- like they're doing something, this is exactly what I see you doing here, which makes for a funny case of projecting that you're up to.

i have no iddea what you are saying here. i'm scummy for making a case and people sheeping it?

2 shot 2 player doc as your claim. i take it 2 player means two different players?

UNVOTE:

In post 1312, waynegg wrote:You're usually decent on Mac. Why is he scum? You mean you aren't going to Doc me tonight?

with all due respect to varsoon, he's evidently not great at reading me. i'm not sure why you think he's decent on me or why you're putting your eggs in his basket.

In post 1342, waynegg wrote:

In post 1339, Varsoon wrote:What makes you think so?

Also, I'm good with a mac lynch.

Vote: Mac

Lurking and skipping the recent hubbub so he can come in tomorrow and act all surprised with some fake pour it on about how I should feel bad and blahblahblah.

hahaha. at least you know you should feel bad.

In post 1350, waynegg wrote:He was around

actually, I was asleep. nice try though.

In post 1354, waynegg wrote:If Mac ever flips and he's scum, he has a habit of not interacting with other scum. The only two players he hasn't interacted with are thezmon and BRO.

if you are going to meta, do it right. i have no idea where you got this little gem from, but it's wrong. just an fyi!

In post 1358, waynegg wrote:Several of is have voiced our suspicions of thez. Several others theirs on BRO. We all have our shortcomings, but Varsoon is pretty good with Mac. So, that's the scum team as far as I'm concerned and I'll live and die by it. I won't be obnoxious pushing it, but I probably won't follow any other wagon for now.

you are honestly ridiculous. i don't know what fucking planet you live on where varsoon had suddenly become supermacreader (BIG HINT: HE'S NOT (no offence!)) so tell me, where did you get that from and are you sure you're not trying to pin a mislynch on varsoon?

why is everyone so convinced varsoon can read me? bizarre.

In post 1423, waynegg wrote:8am is the wee hours?

In post 1342, waynegg wrote:

In post 1339, Varsoon wrote:What makes you think so?

Also, I'm good with a mac lynch.

Vote: Mac

Lurking and skipping the recent hubbub so he can come in tomorrow and act all surprised with some fake pour it on about how I should feel bad and blahblahblah.

In post 1378, waynegg wrote:

In post 1368, Mac wrote:

In post 1350, waynegg wrote:He was around

actually, I was asleep. nice try though.

Nope.

In post 1386, waynegg wrote:He's just frustrated I won't give an answer about how I know Mac was lurking last night, but he was and now he's lying about it so yea.

varsoon wrote:Can you give me your big BRO case?

pieguy wrote:I think "lack of content" is a really shallow reason for pushing on him. there's content in there but you have to look to see it and I think it's obvious from his posting what his reads were.

pieguy wrote:what do you think about all his posts like 1201?

In post 1430, zMuffinMan wrote:hey morph

did you ever look into TNE's meta? iirc it was something you said you were doing at some point in this game

In post 1429, zMuffinMan wrote:

varsoon wrote:Can you give me your big BRO case?

i've gone over this a few times already, but the gist of it is that his catchup spam earlier in the game lacked any real scum hunting, i didn't like the way he sheeped me onto the thez and mafiaSSK wagons, and his recent responses to mastin feel fake.

why don't you talk about why you think it's his town game?

pieguy wrote:I think "lack of content" is a really shallow reason for pushing on him. there's content in there but you have to look to see it and I think it's obvious from his posting what his reads were.

it's not about "lack of content" so much as... empty posts? like the scum hunting he's doing is just surface-scratching stuff and there's no

real

effort to look for scum in any of his posts. yeah, i can tell what his reads are, but i don't think the way he arrived at those reads, or the way he's approaching the game in general, looks genuine.

pieguy wrote:what do you think about all his posts like 1201?

1201 was a town post. here's the thing. if you strip away the arrogance in mastin calling himself obvtown, you're left with mastin (from the pov of mastin-town) trying to figure out why psychlone isn't reading him as town in this game, when nacho has enough experience with mastin that he should be able to differentiate between mastin's town play and mastin's scum play. you can call that mastin talking out of his ass and claiming he's obvtown or whatever, but at that point mastin didn't really have a wagon on him or anything, and i don't think him calling himself town was so much of a defense as a trying-to-figure-out-what's-going-on-with-psychlone thing. which is why it's a town post.

also i was half-joking when i said i don't think mastin would lie about being town (we've already established i'm not very funny). but i really do think the over-the-top way he called himself obvtown here is something he's more likely to do as town than scum - it's hard to fake that kind of confidence, especially when people are calling you scummy and voting you for it. i'm really not sure why so many took issue with it. iirc he did something similar in xenogears (except instead of calling himself obvtown, he called himself conftown) and i don't remember anyone in this playerlist thinking he was scummy for it then.

In post 1429, zMuffinMan wrote:it's not about "lack of content" so much as... empty posts? like the scum hunting he's doing is just surface-scratching stuff and there's no real effort to look for scum in any of his posts. yeah, i can tell what his reads are, but i don't think the way he arrived at those reads, or the way he's approaching the game in general, looks genuine.

pieguy wrote:if you can provide meta that suggests that BRO never does this as town

In post 1443, morph the cat wrote:356 and next post in ISO are pretty cheeky responses to being scumread by thezmon.

In post 1443, morph the cat wrote:630 reads list is pretty iconoclastic in some ways.

In post 1443, morph the cat wrote:885, 886 cases on his scumreads. This is way more detailed and thoughtful than what I'm used to seeing from TNE. If he's town I hope he'll play like this more often.

In post 1443, morph the cat wrote:Subsequent back and forth with BRO feels very much like someone who thinks they are talking to scum.

In post 1266, pieguyn wrote:by your own logic, admitting to it doesn't make it scummy?

In post 1376, zMuffinMan wrote:mastin said he's town, and i don't think he would lie about something like that

In post 1406, Varsoon wrote:BRO's current wagon is zMuffinMan, mastin2, thenewearth, Morph the Cat. At least one of these people is scum in the event that BRO is town.
TNE's wagon is Ghostly Penguin, Mac, pieguyn, BROseidon. It feels a lot more town-filled, but I'm suspicious of Ghostly and BRO.

BRO feels like a mislynch.
TNE doesn't.

Vote : TNE

In post 1436, Ghostly Penguin wrote:Hey mastin2, you said you expected to scum read me, implying that you would scum read me irrespective of my alignment. Yet in looking back through mutual games of ours, counting at least those where you were solo and where you were hydra'd (not sure about my hydras) we had scum-town, town-scum, and town-town examples. I couldn't find a town-town game where you mentioned in-thread having a scum read on me. I found ones where you'd eliminated me from the 'people you want to lynch' group and/or town read me, but I don't think town-you has ever scum read town-me.

You have clearly called me out as scum correctly as in WWE, and you've deliberately helped mislynched me when you were scum. I'm not saying you read me so perfectly that you couldn't be wrong, but I'm not finding evidence for your start-of-game stance here.

What am I missing?

--PA

In post 1444, pieguyn wrote:

In post 1443, morph the cat wrote:356 and next post in ISO are pretty cheeky responses to being scumread by thezmon.

do you think this is something he can't fake as scum?

In post 1443, morph the cat wrote:630 reads list is pretty iconoclastic in some ways.

for me this reads list just seemed to list off all the popular opinions at the time. he had Mac/SSK the two lurkers as null, you/me/giffycho/varsoon town, wayne scum vs. zmuffin town, and bro/thez scum. I'm not too sure what's iconoclastic about that, can you elaborate plz?

In post 1443, morph the cat wrote:885, 886 cases on his scumreads. This is way more detailed and thoughtful than what I'm used to seeing from TNE. If he's town I hope he'll play like this more often.

that'd be fine but a lot of the stuff in there was invalid. for example the wayne vote on Varsoon that he had already explained. and IMO posting a detailed case doesn't seem at all like something town-TNE would do. that combined with the previous statement makes me unsure on this

In post 1443, morph the cat wrote:Subsequent back and forth with BRO feels very much like someone who thinks they are talking to scum.

for me it just seemed like he was tunneling BRO the whole game, which again I can't remember him doing as town

In post 1447, fferyllt wrote:

In post 1444, pieguyn wrote:

In post 1443, morph the cat wrote:356 and next post in ISO are pretty cheeky responses to being scumread by thezmon.

do you think this is something he can't fake as scum?

In post 1443, morph the cat wrote:630 reads list is pretty iconoclastic in some ways.

for me this reads list just seemed to list off all the popular opinions at the time. he had Mac/SSK the two lurkers as null, you/me/giffycho/varsoon town, wayne scum vs. zmuffin town, and bro/thez scum. I'm not too sure what's iconoclastic about that, can you elaborate plz?

I could be misremembering where the townreads and scumreads were trending at that point, but his list did not look like some sort of "average" take. I don't have time to research this in detail right now, but will try to get back to it before the day ends. I don't see myself voting TNE today unless someone I'd trust enough to follow them off a cliff presents an absolutely killer case.

In post 1443, morph the cat wrote:885, 886 cases on his scumreads. This is way more detailed and thoughtful than what I'm used to seeing from TNE. If he's town I hope he'll play like this more often.

that'd be fine but a lot of the stuff in there was invalid. for example the wayne vote on Varsoon that he had already explained. and IMO posting a detailed case doesn't seem at all like something town-TNE would do. that combined with the previous statement makes me unsure on this

TNE's play is extremely variable. This does not look like his scum play at all to me. And IME when someone really shakes up their game, they're more likely to be town than scum because the risks to one's team are less, and because it's a lot easier to be genuine and different than it is to be fake and different - cognitively the latter is a much greater load.

In post 1443, morph the cat wrote:Subsequent back and forth with BRO feels very much like someone who thinks they are talking to scum.

for me it just seemed like he was tunneling BRO the whole game, which again I can't remember him doing as town

I can't remember him doing it as scum. He's more of a float along, look busy, sort of scum player if he has the time. When he doesn't have the time he's a hardcore lurker/flake no matter what his alignment.