Mini 1614: Cutthroat Kitchen Mafia (Game Over!)

[shos]

Can we haz replacement for astinus

[shos]

TSO, do you trust my claim so far?
if you do, then basically the game is solved for you, and you jsut need to help me understand that too. basically, now is the time where you three need to start working on 'why I am town'. why they are scum is ok, but less helpful...

[T S O]

Because I pushed Flames when no-one else was hard, and then when his scumpartners decided to bus him, I tried to get them to stop so we could discuss his partners, but I was ignored.

[T S O]

That to me suggests there are notable associatives in his ISO.

[shos]

can you please name some post numbers? because I'm

really

trying to both study and be on MS, so I don't wanna dig too much. (earlier was easy, ISO myself and ctrl+f majiffy)

[shos]

actually, associatives are a good place to start, since we should have few options of any possible scumteams and we should know them in their entirity.

[Cabd]

Replacing astinus.

Proding who.

Deadline frozen.

[shos]

Yeah....BUMP.

[T S O]

fuck I need to make those walls

[shos]

yeah just spit it out.

[T S O]

wait I'd forgotten that those two were confscum. makes the game easier. cool beans

[shos]

Still gottamaje them walls! I had to make onefkr astinus <.<

[shos]

Bumpitybump.

Also,
Merry christmas to anyone who cares.

[shos]

....I will keep bumping this, guys. come on

[Aronis]

Because I pushed Flames when no-one else was hard, and then when his scumpartners decided to bus him, I tried to get them to stop so we could discuss his partners, but I was ignored.

I

'

m

s

o

r

r

y

,

s

h

o

s

.

I

t

'

s

j

u

s

t

e

v

e

r

y

t

i

m

e

I

l

o

o

k

a

t

t

h

i

s

,

I

p

o

s

t

-

p

o

n

e

p

o

s

t

i

n

g

,

b

e

c

a

u

s

e

i

t

t

a

k

e

s

e

f

f

o

r

t

.

I

r

e

a

l

l

y

h

a

v

e

n

o

c

l

u

e

w

h

a

t

t

o

d

o

a

t

t

h

i

s

p

o

i

n

t

,

n

o

b

o

d

y

h

a

s

t

h

e

i

r

v

o

t

e

u

n

l

o

c

k

e

d

e

x

c

e

p

t

u

s

a

n

d

t

h

e

y

d

o

n

'

t

s

e

e

m

t

r

o

u

b

l

e

d

t

o

p

o

s

t

o

r

a

n

y

t

h

i

n

g

.

T

h

e

w

a

y

t

h

i

n

g

s

a

r

e

i

t

l

o

o

k

s

l

i

k

e

W

h

o

a

n

d

A

s

t

i

n

u

s

n

e

e

d

r

e

p

l

a

c

e

d

,

w

h

i

c

h

j

u

s

t

m

e

a

n

s

m

o

r

e

d

e

l

a

y

.

I

'

m

w

i

l

l

i

n

g

t

o

l

y

n

c

h

a

b

o

u

t

a

n

y

o

n

e

a

t

t

h

i

s

p

o

i

n

t

.

A

n

y

t

h

i

n

g

y

o

u

w

a

n

t

t

o

d

i

s

c

u

s

s

?

[shos]

Well, as I've said, astinus and me are masons. this results in two scums in a group of 3 including you. So convince me you're then townie, or prove to me that either one of TSO and WHO are scum.

[Medea the Alien]

Replacement found! Re-activating game, sorry for the xmas hibernation.

[Who]

Alternate possibility: Astinus and Shos are scum. Did they act like Masons before?

[Medea the Alien]

Micc replaces astinus. Deadline revived.

(expired on 2015-01-04 20:06:04)

Votes still locked etc.

[shos]

yay!

I am sort of V/LA until friday, mod

[Micc]

So...Shos and I are masons, and two of you are scum.

Lack of a quickhammer on shos seems to mean Aronis is scum. Aronis controls TSO's vote.

If TSO is town we are pretty much fucked.

Does that sound about right?

[Micc]

i guess ill start making wall reads so i can vote

[Micc]

Spoiler: Shos - Town

This read is the hardest to explain since its so simple that 300 words are not really necessary. Regardless, shos and I are masons, which mean we are both town. Shos and Majiffy crumbed their masonry throughout the game, and based on setup spec, I don't really see anyone not believing that we are masons. Regardless, I went through shos's iso to find points that show he is town. Shos hammered flames in a way that clearly wasn’t bussing. Another convincing point for shos being town is his vote on the bulge in post 205. That vote was clearly town motivated, and I think anyone who disagrees is being ignorant. Plus there is the fact that shos was pushing the flames wagon for pretty much the entirety of the game and flames flipped scum. I think it would be stupid for scum shos to bus at that point, which means shos is town. Shos has been given many post restrictions that have impaired his ability to post. For day two shos had was given one of these post restrictions by Who, who happens to be one of my strong scum reads. It doesn’t make sense for one scum to give another an impairing post restriction, so shos must be town and Who must be scum. It’s pretty clear that shos has been the target of scum lead post restriction punishment throughout this game. Besides all this, shos is pretty clearly a mason, and my role pm confirms that. Everything about the way he has acted in Day 5 screams town. He is the only person who has attempted to put in effort Today which I see as a strong town tell. If shos was scum that means that not only did my role pm lied to me and this game went full bastard, but also that two of Who/Tso/Aronis are town. Based on the effort I really don’t see that at all.

TL:DR
Shos is 100% town because hes my mason partner.

Spoiler: Aronis - Scum

Aronis is probably scum because of the lack of a coordinated quick hammer on shos. In fact Aronis is still voting shos despite the mason claim and its lylo. Hes mentioned that he should probably unvote twice in his last few posts, but hasn’t actually unvoted. That’s totally not town motivation. When I say last few posts, I think it’s worth noting that Aronis has made one post in the last nine calendar days. That level of a lack in interest is concerning because I think a town motivated player would be in the thread posting instead of lurking his life away. Unlike shos’s voting on Flames, I think Aronis was probably bussing. I can’t really support that feeling besides pointing to the other reasons for my reads and being like “that’s the reason”. I think shos brings up a solid point about Aronis being the only non confirmed town player on the Flames wagon. I think one scum on and one scum off would be pretty standard assumption in a 7p lylo scum lynch, and Aronis is literally the only person who can be the scum on the wagon. Aronis spent a huge chunk of money making sure that other players would have their votes locked Today. I don’t see why town would spend so much on a restriction that is guaranteed to hurt other townies. That doesn’t even make sense. It’s pretty clear he wanted that restriction to destroy any motivation of town players putting effort into the game. I can’t even tell is Aronis believes mason claims or not. Hes acknowledged the claim multiple times without un-voting or making any real statement as to why the claim isn’t true. I challenge Aronis to back up his vote on shos and make a statement as to why he thinks shos is scum because I think its complete bs.

TL:DR
Aronis is scum because there hasn’t been a quick hammer.

Spoiler: Who - Probably Scum

The thing that stands out to me first about Who is holy cow he has made one post in 10 calendar days. I understand holidays and stuff, but shit, you would think that hes scum with Aronis and that he knows the town can’t lynch him because aronis controls TSO’s vote. The one recent post that Who has made was a drive by one line suggestion that shos and I aren’t masons. No reasoning, no explanation, and most notably, no claim. Once again, the lack of caring at this point reads as scummy to me. At one point Who gave shos a restriction that severely hurt Shos’s ability to communicate in the game. I don’t know where Who stood with his reads at that point because he hasn’t actually been around to talk since Day 1. I do know that shos is town, and that giving impairing restrictions to town players is a good scum strategy, and a reason why Who is probably scum. Who hasn’t even claimed yet despite mass claim happening like a week ago. If claim evasion is normally a scum tell, this must be a scum tell times seven. Id love to hear what Who is going to claim, but it’s a shame hes been too quiet to tell us. Who had his post restrictions lessened by Flames when Flames was trying to demonstrate his ability? What better way to demonstrate your ability to switch post restrictions than to take them off your scumbuddy? Seems pretty logical that Flames was trying to help Who, and also help his claim by proving he wasn’t lying. By far I think the notion that shos and I might be scum in Who’s most recent post is the biggest reason for my scum read on him. The lack of effort to even consider the claim doesn’t come from a town mindset in any way shape or form.
TL:DR
Who is probably scum for lurking, not believing mason claim and giving shos a post restriction.

Spoiler: TSO - Probably Town

Unlike Who or Aronis, TSO has made more than one post in the most recent week of this game’s existence. The effort to actually be here and find scum reads as town to me. Unfortunately that’s not all that hard to fake, and I don’t think its outside the realm of possibilities. TSO doesn’t control his vote today so I can understand the lack of motivation to post reads walls for. I don’t see the lack of motivation being overly alignment indicative. TSO seems to have accepted the mason claim. From his point of view that makes Aronis and Who confirmed scum. Unfortunately he won’t ever be able to vote against what Aronis wants, so from town-TSO’s point of view the game is already lost. I don’t know how to interpret this into what TSO is doing in day 5. Despite being more active than Who and Aronis, TSO hasn’t been all that open with whats on his mind. TSO was one of the main people pushing the Flames lynch. It could be bussing or it could not be. I haven’t looked all that hard into it. Looking back on post 1273 seems to indicate TSO town based off of Aronis scum read. TSO was looking for Flames partners as opposed to voting him. I find this sort of thing silly, and I would normally scum read it. I scum read it because it’s an easy way to try and look town without any real effort. In this case im willing to let it slide because I have more convincing scum reads in other places. Shos mentioned something about the “bid all my money” stuff being scummy. I disagree with that being a scumtell because I think it was pretty clear that everybody knew TSO had no money at that point. Even if someone didn’t know that it would have been pretty easy just to go look. The first thing that comes to my mind when I see “all my money” is to look and see how much that is. So I refuse to scum read TSO based off that.

TL:DR
TSO might be scum, but I don’t think he is based on process of elimination.

Spoiler: Micc - 100% Town

I am pretty clearly town because of his mason claim with Shos. Anyone who is disagreeing with this probably should go home and rethink their life. Majiffy was obviously town in this game from the get go. Majiffy seems to have the game figured out early with his vote on Who in post 220. If Who is scum like I think he is then that vote from Majiffy is clutch and makes him obvtown. Besides that the lazy brown fox jumping over the quick dog post restriction was handled with complete class and total towniness that no one can dispute. Battling through the restricting lazy brown fox jumping over the quick dog post restriction is a clear indication of Majiffy being town. If anyone was doubting that shos and I are masons they should take a look at post 654 which shows Majiffy making a post that helps shos communicate more easily. Majiffy was so careless with the post restriction rules of this game that he lost his vote for an entire day. Scum would be sure to be more careful to not do something so significantly damaging to their team. Scum have to be careful to watch what they say, and majiffy clearly wasn’t doing that in any way shape or form. 846 is another mason crumb if anyone is counting at home. You know what’s cool about masons? They are confirmed town. And since shos and I are masons we are confirmed town. Astinus replaced in and voted flames almost immediately. With Flames flipping scum its pretty clear that the Majiffy/Astinus/Micc slot is town. Astinus only made three posts which makes her a terrible replace in, but I think the way she did it was completely and obviously town. Its hard for me to back up those feelings because the bulk of my town read on my own slot comes from having seen my own role pm, and most of the other stuff is probably confirmation bias.
TL:DR
Micc is town because his role pm says so.

[Aronis]

That to me suggests there are notable associatives in his ISO.

@

W

h

o

:

T

h

e

s

e

t

y

p

e

o

f

c

l

a

i

m

s

a

l

w

a

y

s

m

a

k

e

m

e

n

e

r

v

o

u

s

i

n

L

y

L

o

,

b

e

c

a

u

s

e

i

t

'

s

a

r

e

a

l

l

y

e

a

s

y

e

n

d

g

a

m

e

f

o

r

t

h

e

m

,

i

f

t

h

e

y

a

r

e

l

y

i

n

g

.

[Micc]

You should probably make a stance on Shos and I being Masons.

If you believe us, why are you voting shos?
If you don't believe us, why do you think we are scum?