Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[MariaR]

I'm not scum casing wisdom because I can't do it.

[Mathdino]

i mean your tunnel of me so far is pretty damning maria

it's like one of those angles to pursue that no one would think scum-you would want to go down

[MariaR]

I thought you were scum math plain and simple I thought I understood town you pretty well but clearly I don't because your actions didn't make sense to me as town and made perfect sense as scum but I was wrong. Nothing much I can really say besides that it's just up to you to figure out if you think scum me wanted to go after you or if my sr of you was legit

[MariaR]

This game has taught me something important though that I need to work on (well I've always needed to work on it but now more then ever)

[Mathdino]

I fucking scumread 2 town and strong armed a lynch on one while clearing 3 players as town
Like you're stretching my disbelief on how bad your reads can even be

[Mathdino]

This game has taught me something important though that I need to work on (well I've always needed to work on it but now more then ever)

What's that
Also consider reading my article lol

[MariaR]

I fucking scumread 2 town and strong armed a lynch on one while clearing 3 players as town
Like you're stretching my disbelief on how bad your reads can even be

I don't think you understand that while something can be blatantly obvious to you and you're like "omg why don't you see this" it's not as obv to others you're not perfect did brass tr you? Yes but the actions you did can also come from scum and I did my best to explain that to you. Were my scumreads bad? Yes I was 2/3 but it's a matter of getting people to believe you not just it all laid out there.

This game has taught me something important though that I need to work on (well I've always needed to work on it but now more then ever)

What's that
Also consider reading my article lol

I really

really

need to put my foot down more as town or maybe case people idk. I just know if I didn't kinda just lay down and be content we would've been in a much better spot I need to be effective and firm on my stances. I should've said "We are lynching me today and you're not lynching EP" If I did that we would've prob won already but I kinda was silentish/didn't strongarm it enough I suppose I need to be louder without being fully selfish

[Mathdino]

I really really need to put my foot down more as town or maybe case people idk. I just know if I didn't kinda just lay down and be content we would've been in a much better spot I need to be effective and firm on my stances. I should've said "We are lynching me today and you're not lynching EP" If I did that we would've prob won already but I kinda was silentish/didn't strongarm it enough I suppose I need to be louder without being fully selfish

the fuck?

this would've led to

MariaR --> Espeonage

and into a straight up loss

how is this better for you

[Mathdino]

look honestly the real thing that threw away our auto-win was JJD tracking me instead of maria/wisdom/espeonage lol

[Mathdino]

*tracking nauci

[Wisdom]

yeah lynching yourself is totally good for town

you totally believe this and this is totally not bs ate

[MariaR]

It's a big issue for me cause I used to be super super selfish with my reads and I kinda tried to tone that down cause I wanna seem like I'm a team player ye know? But I was really confident in my game and just thought I was being selfish so didn't get loud. I was a bit loud with my push on you too and even though we would've lost I feel kinda bad I couldn't convince brass. Cause what if you were scum in that spot? I would've been 100% right but I couldn't get the other town to vote you. That's sucky

[MariaR]

yeah lynching yourself is totally good for town

you totally believe this and this is totally not bs ate

I have done this before and it has lead to town wins so yes yes I do I've done it many times you've been in games where this happens so you're just outright lying

[MariaR]

I really really need to put my foot down more as town or maybe case people idk. I just know if I didn't kinda just lay down and be content we would've been in a much better spot I need to be effective and firm on my stances. I should've said "We are lynching me today and you're not lynching EP" If I did that we would've prob won already but I kinda was silentish/didn't strongarm it enough I suppose I need to be louder without being fully selfish

the fuck?

this would've led to

MariaR --> Espeonage

and into a straight up loss

how is this better for you

it would've required you guys to listen to my read that esp is town and if we lost cause of that it would've been your guys fault not mine.

[Mathdino]

It's a big issue for me cause I used to be super super selfish with my reads and I kinda tried to tone that down cause I wanna seem like I'm a team player ye know? But I was really confident in my game and just thought I was being selfish so didn't get loud. I was a bit loud with my push on you too and even though we would've lost I feel kinda bad I couldn't convince brass. Cause what if you were scum in that spot? I would've been 100% right but I couldn't get the other town to vote you. That's sucky

yes except if you actually took an objective view of your actual reads in games you would see that your reads are approximately random

while brass's reads have, over multiple games, proven to be at the very least better than random

not to mention that he's correctly read me before while you've read me incorrectly

misplaced confidence is worse than total lack of any confidence

there's no "what if you were scum in that spot"

i wasn't fucking scum and everyone who knew me but you was able to see it

[Wisdom]

you've been in games where this happens so you're just outright lying

name one

[MariaR]

My reads aren't random math I don't just pick a name out of a box and say "yeah I'm gonna sr that" no I think things over and if I see something I consider scummy I push it.
People who knew you saw you as town
I don't fucking know you math I've played 2 games with you? I can't read you inside out I thought I had a good grip but I guess I don't.
Pedit: MYLO mafia

[Mathdino]

i didn't say your reads are random
i said your reads are APPROXIMATELY random

that is if someone took a scumread that you have in any given towngame, they stand an approximately 25% or less chance of being scum

i'm saying that you would be equally accurate as town if you did pick names out of a hat

[Mathdino]

also maria what the fuck why are you taking credit for lynching scum when you literally did not

[Mathdino]

like that's what i don't get about you

how can you continually be wrong about
- the actual events/facts in games
- your reads on others

and still have this massive confidence in your reads to the point of ignoring other townies

[MariaR]

My reads as town are more correct then they are false. I just went 3/3 in a game where I was sk and was actively looking for scum
Pedit: I wanted Beef lynched?
Pedit2: I wanted brass to explain town you to me I was waiting for him to but he never did the words came from your mouth not his.

[MariaR]

Like just saying "oh yeah math is town" isn't gonna sell it to me.

[Mathdino]

SK doesn't count, maria
you're provably better at playing scum than you are at playing town
idk if it's a mindset thing or what

you wanting beef lynched doesn't mean "i lynched scum"
he claimed scum for everyone to see and someone else vigged him. you had 0 part in that.

you waffled off the TW wagon while every single other one of us lynched scum
and you have the audacity to claim you lynched scum this game and "did your job"

[MariaR]

yes I do.

[MariaR]

I was correct on my town reads I did not get a tr wrong
you vigged them
you lynched them

you ignored any input I ever gave this game so you can not say I didn't do shit this game.
This game would be over already if you listened to me EVEN FUCKING ONCE.
but guess what?
You didn't and now we're here