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[Exilon]

yeah, i saw that post - can you pull out one or two examples?
i'm not sure i agree with this in a general sense without seeing one

like i think they're p cog-dis-y but i'm not sure that's actually scummy or scum indicative really

Gimme an hour or so

[skitter30]

i mean i don't think that the claim i slikely, but i think lynching it day1 is p bad so

[skitter30]

ok no prob

[skitter30]

like did you ever hear of a player named mulch?

[Exilon]

yeah, i saw that post - can you pull out one or two examples?
i'm not sure i agree with this in a general sense without seeing one

like i think they're p cog-dis-y but i'm not sure that's actually scummy or scum indicative really

Gimme an hour or so

That name is familiar, but can't say i have

[skitter30]

he played here 2017-early 2018
and he basically used the 'spam-posting and interrupt the thread' to incredibly good effect, and he won several scumgames off of it

chenn is reminding me of that rn
i'm trying to find an example of where mulch describes that strategy, but it's been over a year so it's alittle tricky

[Exilon]

No, I'm quite familiar with it
I tend to do it when I think the town is easily persuaded by confidence.

But it takes some skills to pull off

[Exilon]

Regarding Cinn, keep in mind this actually isn't mega exhaustive, so there may be more examples that also hold.

976 and 986 Cinn shows he's aware of "push on pushers" (tm) strategy he employs. IT's the most accurate way he reads people.
He says he learned this from IRL mafia. The wording implies Cinn is very experienced and aware of this trait, especially of the backlash it garners. So one could induce she's developed the strat.

Then 1057 and 1059 happen, and this is where Cinn puts a foot in the mouth by saying that sometimes he makes up reasons for pushing back; that if someone's pushing him they're either wrong or scum.

You can't be both experienced and aware of this kind of playstyle if you haven't yet learned any of: a) you shouldn't need made up reasons to push back; b) you don't need to exaggerate to push back; c) sometimes you are in fact scummy and people aren't wrong nor scummy for pushing you; d) everyone pushing you can be town.

Specifically in this game, c) and d) are very likely true, but Cinn does not, at any point, consider this, even when I threw him the proverbial bait to do so. So the way Cinn places the confidence in those initial posts that seem to imply that he is very townie because he always applies this strategy loses solidity. Cinn is either not that experienced, or trying to cover his scum play by attributing it and forcefully squeeze it to his own town meta.

But if it were the first case, Cinn would very likely be open to different approaches and wouldn't be leaning so strongly on, and would most likely be much less confident in his own strat.

When I look at Cinn's ISO with this mindset in mind, things fit and make sense to me. E.g. 1063 is one example of Cinn going "this was part of the strat".

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There's also the disconnect that shows up regarding "this is my strat" and "I got frustrated when I couldn't take the heat".

before we go, 646 Cinn mentions extensive exp in irl mafia.

1070 and 1091 are the example here. First thing is how Cinn mentions the IRL mafia experience and downplays its relevance; the narrative is thus "I learned that I was good at doing this in IRL mafia and now I'm applying it here". And also justifies the frustration that he felt, basically, Cinn got frustrated because the length and nature of the discussion is different. Also certain types of comments also upset him ("when people choose to be anti-town / dumb / incapable").

I can actually sort of follow this. My problem with this is everything that Cinn mentions here also happens in IRL mafia, and in a game where typically everything is much more fast paced, it's very easy to get very overwhelmed with anti-town statements, very fast. So Cinn either plays with very mild groups and highly intelligent people in IRL mafia, or he's trying to justify his frustration on something that looks townie (but as I have also mentioned, isn't exactly AI).

Also, 1102 gives us Cinn adding another reason to why he's frustrated, "scum getting to me", but 1104 corrects it back to the posts above. Cinn is still laser-focused on there being scum on people that have pushed him according to this, .... or not, which is a great segue into:

The next example and disconnect is how Cinn says all of this actually produced reads from all of this, which from his words earlier, should be better and good and strong.

But then they're not.
At all.

1087 is an example ("I don't think the collective push from exi/chennius/skitter is all town")
1116 is skitter and maybe someone else is also scum?
1330 is Cinn declaring an order of skitter / pisskop / chennis / lux / exi which has me in a very town spot already (there are 2 people left in this order) but in the same post cinn makes a point of saying that he would townread me more under certain conditions, and I don't feel town reinforces that point there if they're sure about their reads
1331 is an admittance to me actually not being *that sorted* after all
1391 is

actually not being sold on skitter

and 1398 is just a summary of how Cinn isn't actually that sure and strong on his reads

So in conclusion, taking into consideration that Cinn has said he has tried to let his thoughts flow more, is town!Cinn really that disconnected between what he claims he has and what he actually has on his hand?

While thinking about that question, notice the awareness Cinn displays about his play in 1102.

Spoiler: I found this while I was looking at his ISO again

If I get

mislynched

today I don't think menalque should ever be

lynched

. Scum menalque has no reason to come in and hard defend me vs Exilon chennis and skitter pushing when sheeoing them would not pull a scumread.

Does town ever go out of their way to purposefully characterize their own lynch as a mislynch in a passing sentence? Food for thought.

[chennisden]

UNVOTE:

[skitter30]

Specifically in this game, c) and d) are very likely true, but Cinn does not, at any point, consider this, even when I threw him the proverbial bait to do so. So the way Cinn places the confidence in those initial posts that seem to imply that he is very townie because he always applies this strategy loses solidity. Cinn is either not that experienced, or trying to cover his scum play by attributing it and forcefully squeeze it to his own town meta.

my overall vibe is that he knows that by making up reasons to scumread people, he's expecting scumreads, but he gets paranoid anyways

or he could just be scum making it all up but i kinda feel like the former is more likely

[pisskop]

exil, would you be willing to sample skitter in 755 if i posted the link?

and mine, i guess. twas double ball

[skitter30]

What do u think of chenn in comparison to yhat game?

[pisskop]

that too. I'm currently busy irl

[pisskop]

somebody PMed me an alt guess and were astounded at how different my style was.


what do u think skitter? maybe its old meta fondly remembered?

[skitter30]

I dont think the alt is particularly different, but this is also thr only game i have for reference with your main so

[chennisden]

I'll try to reduce the posting.

While I might be known for bravado for better or worse I don't take a town leader position as scum. Yes I'm considering this next time as scum but overall I think the positions I take would do me no favors as scum

I think exilon says it better than I could

Pisskop I don't think your game on your alt is different from your main. Maybe it's just because I know but the resemblance is more than you'd expect from an alt

[chennisden]

You're suggesting killing the one slot with the strongest consensual townread.

Can you explain why gamma is the consensus townread? I feel like it's more a matter of nobody interacting with the slot recently

[chennisden]

I would be happy to circle back on cinnamon and wouldn't be opposed to a skitter flash wagon persay.

[chennisden]

Also if I have a mechanical reason to believe the claim I don't think skitter would blatantly ignore that in her read

[chennisden]

It implies something obvious about the slot

Anyway this is it for my catchup

[skitter30]

... you're ignoring the mechanical reason to believe the claim, so that's p hypocrotical

[chennisden]

There's a day play reason not to, so no its not?

[chennisden]

Skitter are you trying to sort or are you trying to get a mislynch? Which is it?

[skitter30]

You're acting like i dont have a dayplay reason to push pisskop ...

You need to explain why it's ok for you to push pisskop despite your reasons but its problemativ when i do so

[skitter30]

Skitter are you trying to sort or are you trying to get a mislynch? Which is it?

I mean really