The timing and nature of that claim is suicidal as scum. You don't lock yourself in a VT claim to move out from rvs unless you are town
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:05 am
by Quick
In post 1425, Farkran wrote:The timing and nature of that claim is suicidal as scum. You don't lock yourself in a VT claim to move out from rvs unless you are town
Thanks, you didn't answer my question.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:12 am
by Farkran
I already provided a read on you, and on the subject of our discussion, which is all the answers you should be interested in
Making snarky comments to the purpose of appearing better than other players is pointless, i don't care about fueling your ego and i'm not interested in lynching you today so either wagon me or move on
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:25 am
by Quick
In post 1427, Farkran wrote:I already provided a read on you, and on the subject of our discussion, which is all the answers you should be interested in
Making snarky comments to the purpose of appearing better than other players is pointless, i don't care about fueling your ego and i'm not interested in lynching you today so either wagon me or move on
Well, see... I want to let you in on a little secret. You ready?
I actually SR you
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:48 am
by Mohab500
So, I went ahead and checked the ISO of Drew-Sta in an attempt to understand the wagon. I think I feel a little more comfortable reading the wagon now.
It feels like their play is still fairly defensive more than anything else. I don't really see much focus on solving or even reading beyond that, most of it is just defense which is what's starting to irk me. They had one consistent read on Nor but that don't really emphasize any other reads or anything beyond that. I thought earlier the defensiveness could come from town seeing as it's more consistent/natural in their play, but at the same time, the lack of scumhunting or reading isn't good at all, so I am starting to get scum vibes a little from them. Furthermore, their points are sometimes nonsensical.
In post 815, Drew-Sta wrote:And that right there is an interesting post. Basically absolving Sakura from being mafia if FB flips scum. Why would you do that? How do you have any certainty that is the case?! It's a post of certainty, and I cannot understand how you can be so certain about them.
Quote's messed up but anyways, there is no certainty in the original post: it's just a player giving their thoughts. Drew's insistence on this read is quite frank on its own, but misrepresentation and forced scumreads from them kind of sour the whole thing.
I can be slightly more comfortable with this lynch, I guess, since I understand its basis. I still think there are other slots to look at (hello NPOM!), but I guess if town really wants this lynch, they can have it? I am not really adverse to it anymore.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:50 am
by Quick
In post 1429, Mohab500 wrote:So, I went ahead and checked the ISO of Drew-Sta in an attempt to understand the wagon. I think I feel a little more comfortable reading the wagon now.
It feels like their play is still fairly defensive more than anything else. I don't really see much focus on solving or even reading beyond that, most of it is just defense which is what's starting to irk me. They had one consistent read on Nor but that don't really emphasize any other reads or anything beyond that. I thought earlier the defensiveness could come from town seeing as it's more consistent/natural in their play, but at the same time, the lack of scumhunting or reading isn't good at all, so I am starting to get scum vibes a little from them. Furthermore, their points are sometimes nonsensical.
In post 815, Drew-Sta wrote:And that right there is an interesting post. Basically absolving Sakura from being mafia if FB flips scum. Why would you do that? How do you have any certainty that is the case?! It's a post of certainty, and I cannot understand how you can be so certain about them.
Quote's messed up but anyways, there is no certainty in the original post: it's just a player giving their thoughts. Drew's insistence on this read is quite frank on its own, but misrepresentation and forced scumreads from them kind of sour the whole thing.
I can be slightly more comfortable with this lynch, I guess, since I understand its basis. I still think there are other slots to look at (hello NPOM!), but I guess if town really wants this lynch, they can have it? I am not really adverse to it anymore.
Defensiveness is NAI.
Come on players, you can do better than this...
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:53 am
by Mohab500
I didn't say defensiveness is the sole reason to read Drew-Sta as whatever: a combination of other factors, like how they read others, how active they are in starting wagons, how often their reads change, etc... all that bullshit, combined with their defensiveness might give scum vibes for any reason or other.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:54 am
by Mohab500
It feels like the way this game is headed, anything can be 'NAI' or 'WIFOM' or whatever. Yes, you can do better.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 6:55 am
by Quick
In post 982, Farkran wrote:Hmm. I can relate to that. After worktime i can take a better look at quick to see if i am wrong, meanwhile let's get a wagon going on
VOTE: drewsta
Anyone has an opinion to share on this newly born wagon?
Just BWing and throwing votes around for really no reason at all.
Do you plan on updating that read on me, or are you going to continue to SR me for SRing you?
In post 982, Farkran wrote:Hmm. I can relate to that. After worktime i can take a better look at quick to see if i am wrong, meanwhile let's get a wagon going on
VOTE: drewsta
Anyone has an opinion to share on this newly born wagon?
Just BWing and throwing votes around for really no reason at all.
Do you plan on updating that read on me, or are you going to continue to SR me for SRing you?
Did you misquote?
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:00 am
by Farkran
Because i mean if you were talking to me, it's been a while since i'm not scumreading you and i have been saying it at least three times in my most recent posts, so i don't really understand your last comment
In post 982, Farkran wrote:Hmm. I can relate to that. After worktime i can take a better look at quick to see if i am wrong, meanwhile let's get a wagon going on
VOTE: drewsta
Anyone has an opinion to share on this newly born wagon?
Just BWing and throwing votes around for really no reason at all.
Do you plan on updating that read on me, or are you going to continue to SR me for SRing you?
Did you misquote?
No, I didn't.
Do you have a response or would you rather keep your status as "cool kid"?
Your vote is basically on the guy who replaced in and is catching up.
What's the point of these posts? I could dig up more but the formatting is difficult for me to keep doing like that, but basically you keep making comments regarding other's votes and voting history and whatever as if simple 'your vote sucks!' posts matter to people at all. You should probably quit that and start explaining reasons or something comprehensible.
Anyways, rest of the ISO looks decent I guess. Lots of activity here, attempts to direct/lead town, I like their consistency in their reads and not constant wagon hopping like most other players here. Still a town lean for now, I guess.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:13 am
by Farkran
In post 1433, Quick wrote:
Do you plan on updating that read on me, or are you going to continue to SR me for SRing you?
, the reactions are genuine
- Cooldog is town, he's actually one of the very few who is actually making an effort, i'd be surprised to see him flip scum in a gamestate like this
I am dropping my confidence on:
- Sakura, that change of mind was based on very little reason. You know how i play, you should know what to expect. I crumbed at you quite straightforwardly.
- Firebringer. There's really too much noise in his ISO, i'd like you to tone it down a bit and talk about actual content.
All my other previous reads stand, although popopo improved.
Cooldog and persivul are also town for the effort in maintaining the game on the right track. With a gamestate like this, scum would be suicidal to make an effort in scumhunting when almost nobody else does that.
The guys we should pay attention to are those who thrive in the shitfest and either refuse to dish out actual content (i.e. drewsta) and those who don't commit to anything (i.e. firebringer)
Nopower is town for the claim
Mohab is weird because she knows how to fakealert L-X but then says she has no clue about what she should do, but it's not a valid lynch today imo. There is effort coming from there too, maybe not enough deductive experience to survive in the shitfest
Frederick, popopo, sakura, norwee are currently in my null/nulltown area
Porkens still town
I am kinda tired to see the same errors from town over and over again and i can't bother to take leadership after repping in 30 pages post-start when nobody would listen to me anyways. I'm still waiting on a claim from drewsta
Otherwise ask me questions
Quick, you should take a break and take time to think because you're not paying attention and this will hinder your judgement ability
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:14 am
by Quick
In post 1435, Farkran wrote:Because i mean if you were talking to me, it's been a while since i'm not scumreading you and i have been saying it at least three times in my most recent posts, so i don't really understand your last comment
Let me refresh your memory..
You were voting for me. Then in the span of 5 hours, you ISO'd me and decided I was Town. Was there any reason for the Drew vote? It seemed like you sheeped me, but that about all the reason I can see for the vote. If not, why vote there? Just for happy, happy, joy, joys? It makes your play look opportunistic. I thought we were playing Mafia not, "Let me see how charismatic I can be." Do you have a reason for why you about faced me so quickly and immediately went from Scum reading me to sheeping me? What about my ISO did you like? Did you think there was a chance I would get a wagon on me at some point? Is that maybe why you voted me saying you SR me? Or maybe it was never your intention to actually stay on me? If so, then the progression from Scum>Town looks unnatural. So are you just jumping on anything and everything to see what wagon sticks and you never have to rightly explain your reads because you are charming? Tell me. I am listening.
P-Edit: read above and let me know if you still stick with that read.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:19 am
by Mohab500
Re: Prokens wagon, I get the feeling Porkens can't really commit to anything? Their vote is constantly changing, a lot of their reads are non-existent or edge 'I am not sure' kind of thing, lots of posts seem purely based on feeling/gut which isn't really much of a scum tell but it gets kind of excessive with their playstyle. He asks some questions occasionally, has some logical posts here and there, but nothing outweighs the scuminess from the other action. I am okay with this lynch now, too, I guess, just at about or slightly lower than the level for Drew-Sta.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:20 am
by Quick
In post 1440, Mohab500 wrote:I guess, just at about or slightly lower than the level for Drew-Sta.
Might I know how you determine such things?
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:21 am
by Mohab500
I've still got to recheck popopopo, and read Farkan and pensivul or whatever his name was. I feel like my brain is going to explode from all the text, so I'll do them later if that's okay with you all.
Far as I've seen, you guys get really active about 2-3 hours from now. I'll try to free up time to have real time discussion if at all possible.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:24 am
by Farkran
My first impression scumread was based on you being fighting against the gamestate, and i stand up to that, but after ISOing and seeing how you react to things in real time i think it's part of your player profile as town. I don't fancy your playstyle, but i can relate to that because i am also a high ego player. I decided that this kind of play is more likely to come from town with a player profile like you have, and i've been pretty straightforward about it whereas you were still thinking i was scumreading you - you are an impulsive tunneler, which is why you should take a break and reassess. You can take this advice or keep thinking that you are the only one doing good and everyone else is crap - one path will make you feel satisfied postgame, the other will make you just feel bad. Your choice.
As for drewsta, i have talked a lot about him as well. His post are defensive in nature, there's no solve attempts, overall the content/posts ratio is low especially in the early part of his ISO. After he has been wagoned up, he started to dish out more, but the posting quality is still lackluster which suggests that he is struggling to make credible reads. I want a claim because drewsta is a slot that i don't want to sort later, locking himself into a position that may be verified over night is how we progress in terms of information as town - if the claim is unsatisfactory, it's also a good lynch for today.
I am also willing to switch to firebringer, as long as we can form some consensus before we get to 24 hours to deadline and scum is allowed to lolvote anything because "it was eod".
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:26 am
by Kerset
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:26 am
by Sakura Hana
VOTE: Drew
Posted: Tue May 26, 2020 7:29 am
by Quick
In post 1443, Farkran wrote:My first impression scumread was based on you being fighting against the gamestate, and i stand up to that, but after ISOing and seeing how you react to things in real time i think it's part of your player profile as town. I don't fancy your playstyle, but i can relate to that because i am also a high ego player. I decided that this kind of play is more likely to come from town with a player profile like you have, and i've been pretty straightforward about it whereas you were still thinking i was scumreading you - you are an impulsive tunneler, which is why you should take a break and reassess. You can take this advice or keep thinking that you are the only one doing good and everyone else is crap - one path will make you feel satisfied postgame, the other will make you just feel bad. Your choice.
As for drewsta, i have talked a lot about him as well. His post are defensive in nature, there's no solve attempts, overall the content/posts ratio is low especially in the early part of his ISO. After he has been wagoned up, he started to dish out more, but the posting quality is still lackluster which suggests that he is struggling to make credible reads. I want a claim because drewsta is a slot that i don't want to sort later, locking himself into a position that may be verified over night is how we progress in terms of information as town - if the claim is unsatisfactory, it's also a good lynch for today.
I am also willing to switch to firebringer, as long as we can form some consensus before we get to 24 hours to deadline and scum is allowed to lolvote anything because "it was eod".