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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:43 am
by duppin
In post 1422, Noraa wrote:Why is that an issue? I don't see any links between the two and they have almost zero interaction
It is an issue because if you are town then I know for a fact the read is wrong (unless some weird stuff with one of the confirmed being towns or only a 2 man team) plus the biggest issue is probably that you did not provide a reason.
You only just provided an explanation recently, not initially and that explanation is kind of the opposite of distancing in terms of the words general meaning in mafia.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:44 am
by Noraa
hardly interacted = distancing last I checked...
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:45 am
by duppin
I am not sure this discussion is really useful though. But if you are town then we can talk about this post game if you want. If others disagree they can obviously chime in, but I stand by my belief that there is no logical reason to believe that they can not be together and you forming that read based on them having no interaction is a dangerous approach.
but yes i think ill stop this topic for now because i dont think its that important right now
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:46 am
by Noraa
In post 1425, duppin wrote: In post 1422, Noraa wrote:Why is that an issue? I don't see any links between the two and they have almost zero interaction
It is an issue because if you are town then I know for a fact the read is wrong (unless some weird stuff with one of the confirmed being towns or only a 2 man team) plus the biggest issue is probably that you did not provide a reason.
You only just provided an explanation recently, not initially and that explanation is kind of the opposite of distancing in terms of the words general meaning in mafia.
yesterday I said I would provide an explanation later and a few posts after that u were like Noraa can't justify anything when I literally said I would do it later and now ur upsetti that my justification came today. I don't understand what's up with this. I have my reasons and my logic. Them not being the same as urs doesn't mean I'm scum literally I don't understand what ur doing rn if ur town. The more I interact, the more I feel like ur scum.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:47 am
by VP Baltar
From my perspective, you both could be town here.
Duppin feels like Haschel is confirmed scum because of the counterclaim. Noraa feels Gamma is confirmed scum because he's got to be in the pairing if Ythan and I are both town.
Duppin, my view is slightly more sympathetic to Noraa's perspective because I don't know if you're town for sure or not.
That's basically where we are.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:47 am
by Noraa
In post 1427, duppin wrote:I am not sure this discussion is really useful though. But if you are town then we can talk about this post game if you want. If others disagree they can obviously chime in, but I stand by my belief that there is no logical reason to believe that they can not be together and you forming that read based on them having no interaction is a dangerous approach.
but yes i think ill stop this topic for now because i dont think its that important right now
finally something I agree with. we can talk post game.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:35 am
by Ythan
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:08 pm
by Gamma Emerald
Tbh I don’t expect to be able to do much at this point, I’m in a bad spot for irl interfering with ability to play and it won’t get better soon, so honestly I’d rather we get on with whatever decision we’re gonna make
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:26 pm
by VP Baltar
I guess I should inquire how many hours it is until work ends
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:28 pm
by Ythan
I just walked in the door at home. I'll do this once I can settle down.
When did I get so busy.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:44 pm
by VP Baltar
In post 1434, Ythan wrote:I just walked in the door at home. I'll do this once I can settle down.
When did I get so busy.
No prob. I didn't want to assume your work schedule.
On a separate note, Noraa, we should look at Haschel's night actions and see if he said anything that wouldn't automatically be clear from being scum. I think that entire N1 fiasco could be figured out by the scum team and faked as a voyeur
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:51 pm
by Ythan
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:04 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1406, Noraa wrote:If gamma was town(this means duppin/haschel is the solve), he would immediately OMGUS me bc from his perspective it would look like scum!Noraa is getting a mislim on him. Cuz I'm pretty sure? that gamma also agrees that duppin/haschel isnt the solve. Idk but I feel like if I was in town!gamma's position(assuming the slot is town which btw I DO NOT believe is true), I would not stay silent and just let everyone sus me. In fact, I'd be very very mad if I was getting sussed like this as town and write a huge huge wall case on why the scum isnt me. I just feel like the reaction we r getting from gamma rn r not townie at all :/
Except I’m not sure which 1v1 is better to lim in rn. If I thought me vs. you was I would be pushing you, but imo duppin vs. Haschel seems like the better choice, because I at least have a mechanical reasoning there instead of just what amount to a he-said she-said.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:06 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1404, VP Baltar wrote:I have a hard time thinking gamma = noraa here.
Noraa is actually working here it seems. If she's scum, it's pretty good scum play.
You are being extremely basic rn and the fact you’re conftown just makes me hate you for it because I can’t write it off as “he just scum”.
Effort != alignment, ever, except maybe in fringe cases, this not being one of them. Both alignments have reason to try.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:09 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1421, duppin wrote: In post 1418, Noraa wrote:I told u that my logic that u r more town than haschel but u r more likely with gamma drove me insane. why tf is this scum indicative?
because from my point of view you are claiming
a) that you are 100% sure Gamma is scum
b) that Gamma and Haschel are not scumbuddies
this means whether intentional or not that the team you are pushing is me and Gamma - which is perfectly reasonable in itself, however it is the fact that you stated that you could not see Gamma and Haschel being together that it is issue. The issue is not that you think me and Gamma are more likely to be together due to my claim
Where/how did Noraa say this, because it’s a pretty solid point for it being Noraa/Haschel, Noraa would be trying to lim me but also trying to avoid putting herself in a position to need to bus without looking like she’s defending her buddy.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:12 pm
by Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Haschel
I don’t have time to sit and waste away while trying to figure things out to the finest detail. I think voyeur is a more scum role than MD in this setup. I can explain why later possibly, but I stand by that pretty firmly
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:14 pm
by Ythan
I'm inclined to say I'll eliminate you if you don't unvote.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:22 pm
by VP Baltar
This feels like some serious flailing from gamma but who the hell knows this game bc so many town have played scummy af
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:54 pm
by Ythan
In post 1360, Ythan wrote:Am I missing something or did they not kill because it's xylo regardless and there's a motion detector.
What are the odds the the voyeur or md scum and the no kill is to pretend the PR is town and they're scurred.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:55 pm
by Ythan
In post 1364, VP Baltar wrote: In post 1360, Ythan wrote:Am I missing something or did they not kill because it's xylo regardless and there's a motion detector.
Right. The no kill in some ways makes the most sense if duppin is town. Though I think worrying about why the scum did that could be a fool's errand to some degree.
Oh yeah this is pretty true though.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:00 pm
by Ythan
Really am leaning Nora town.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:09 pm
by Ythan
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:20 pm
by Gamma Emerald
Well that’s not happening until I wake up tomorrow at the very least @Ythan
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:23 pm
by Ythan
Your funeral.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:34 pm
by VP Baltar
Drunk and feel like voting gamma