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In post 1305, Taly wrote:Flea, the more you suggest "I am a brainspewer, this is how I go about posting and thoughts" makes me think that this approach is intentional, and it stumps me when I'm trying to find where your head is out outside of quote-by-quote walls and 1v1s.

When I try and filter, I get SRd as my posts feel manufactured and I become limbait. I started just brainspewing and reads of me massively improved because I'm not hiding anything and I'm saying whats on my mind {](^_^)[} If you want to know something specific you're always welcome to ask me and you will receive an honest answer. If it's a read on a slot, I'll tell you what I'm thinking. If I'm not sure, I'll say so and go have a look at the ISO or add it to my TODO list when I'm not feeling cruddy, like I've done with BM and I'm sure I left a TODO in a post somewhere.

In post 1308, Taly wrote:also

i think this is the first time

Battle Mage

does not sus me in a game LMAO

does scum-

BM

really give

Flea

the benefit of the doubt here? 1296

I don't think it's AI this early in the game. Later in the game I would consider TAI.
But this is just me.

In post 1310, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1303, Flea The Magician wrote:

In post 1296, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1289, Flea The Magician wrote:

In post 1285, Battle Mage wrote:Flea is doing a lot of that LAMISTy stuff but it's superficial - long ISO cases which don't strike a balanced objective line, are a scum move I've used many times in my youth.

This is where you and I differ, you read my ISO as a case and as an attack, not me running over my thoughts on you and adjusting or confirming my read.

It's my thoughts, not a case. If people agree with it, they agree with it. If people want to supply me with non-meta information or differing ways of reading a post, then I'll sit, consider and adjust.

I'm a brain spewer I just put out whatevers in my head as I'm reading something.

I mean I don't think it's so much that "we differ", as you're wrong. There was no obvious attempt to "adjust" your read - you singled out a bunch of posts which were completely meaningless and objectively NAI, and tried to contrive to make them seem scummy to bolster your position. It was a case of "I've said BM is scum, now I have to prove it" rather than "I wonder if BM is town or scum".

I'm open to the idea that you're just town who got carried away, but I'll wait and see if you take a more objective line to appraising people going forward.

I love how you're telling me what I did <3
I love how you completely missing the face I'm a brainspewer.
I love how you're completely hooked on being defensive.
It's kinda cute (◍•ᴗ•◍)❤

I'm trying to help you. You're just trying to patronise and belittle me.

I mean, earlier on you complained I ignored you. now you're complaining that I responded.

You literally told me what I was doing despite that I was the doing it. You got a bog standard response to how I treat people who are trying to tell me what I did was different to what I was actually doing. That is an attempt at perspective manipulation and control and is belittling as it's implying I don't know what I'm actually doing.

I said I had a suspicion as something was off and I was going to ISO you to check. Then I did what I do, I go into the ISO and just write down whatever I'm thinking at the time. My conclusion was Null-SL, enough to keep my vote parked. Since then you've been amazingly over-defensive and have progressed to SL. If you read through it you'll see I even said I feel like I'm falling into a rabbit hole where I'm going to start reading everything as screaming "IM SCUM" which I wanted to try and avoid.

In post 1319, SirCakez wrote:

In post 1304, Flea The Magician wrote:

In post 1302, Battle Mage wrote:i'm on board

VOTE: blitzo

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├┴┬┴┬┴┬┴┬┤ . o O (At least put a robe on or something... x_x
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What does this even mean

Running joke I have for myself about naked votes. (^ц^ ) Hiding behind a wall because I don't wanna see to nuddy.

In post 1322, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1319, SirCakez wrote:

In post 1304, Flea The Magician wrote:

In post 1302, Battle Mage wrote:i'm on board

VOTE: blitzo

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├┴┬┴┬┴┬┴┬┤ . o O (At least put a robe on or something... x_x
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What does this even mean

she's saying it was a 'naked' vote. I can't explain the kisses though.

x_x is cross eyed, usually used for dead or people clamping their eyes shut. And pronouns please

In post 1324, Taly wrote:

In post 1323, Taly wrote:let's just work outside of our respective townpools then. We aren't too far off each other tbh.

Where do we agree and where do we disagree?

Flea/Haschel

are probably my most loose townreads at the moment because I don't like the angle

Flea

pushes here and

Haschel

is quite elusive and I feel that's plausible for scum more often than town in games of this velocity.

I think

DGB/Reck

are very good slots to look at WITH them because

DGB

feels like a parrot to

Flea

without the wallposting and

Reck

for reasons

Murder

mentioned in 1309

Gunna need more than a 7 words per post average to be my parrot ⋋〳 ･ ਊ ･ 〵⋌

In post 1328, Titus wrote:

In post 1305, Taly wrote:Meta. You townread Flea and I off of it in one of your early spews.

Compare this with Death curse.

You mean the game I lurked like hell and didn't wake up until I was on the chopping block?
That was the game where I decided to drop the filter and just think "stuff it lets go".
Also Titus isn't attempting to pocket me this time ★~(◡‿⊙✿)

In post 1343, DrippingGoofball wrote:@Taky My votes are to make the game move forward, not to barter. To create alignment indicative content. Pressure people, force them to take stances, inspire them to participate. Yeet scum if I do it right.

Ooooo you broke your max word count! Still average word count of like 7 or 8 though. You're not really moving the game or interacting with it beyond the occasional poke (●´ω｀●)ゞ

In post 1350, Bell wrote:BM has posted a lot. I think he's handling the pressure well if scum and seems fairly confident he's town this game.

Hard disagree. They've been way over defensive with me.

Much town vibe from Talys #1351.

In post 1359, Taly wrote:

In post 1352, Blitzo wrote:Can someone explain to me why TGP is town?
Akarin's read is probably the third or fourth person that has stated such in yet I see no reasons for any of them.
Why is it so hard to get people to explain things this game?

I'd like

TGP

be discussed more. I don't have a good grasp on them and I didn't care much for their posts as I recall my last impression of them.

Added to my TODO. Haven't really made an impression on me so I'll add them to my list.

In post 1362, Bell wrote:Spewing: Basically saying whatever comes to mind about a player to demonstrate some level of analysis of their play and so that we can see if you're trying to determine other people's alignments or whether you already know who the scum/town are cause you're scum.

Of course, do this too much like I apparently do and there's no objective balance and it's bad, superficial and people don't like it but they also don't like when you don't spew ԅ༼ * ◕ ∧ ◕ * ༽ﾉ

In post 1365, Taly wrote:

going to sleep. night

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEANS! Gnight <3

In post 1374, Thestatusquo wrote:boop

ヘ（。□°）ヘ

In post 1386, Alisae wrote:i caught up and I have nothing to say

Ali sus. （○□○）

In post 1399, Alisae wrote:

In post 1398, SirCakez wrote:

In post 1395, Alisae wrote:

In post 1389, SirCakez wrote:

In post 1386, Alisae wrote:i caught up and I have nothing to say

What is the point of this post

it gives me a reason to ghost out of the thread after appearing
duh

But you could have just not posted anything and nobody would have said anything
What is with this game and pointless posts

so I could have just posted bruh
and then left

Plus there's the 24 hour no prod dodging rule. Ali's literally just sayin e's got nothing else to add.

In post 1401, MURDERCAT wrote:It is hard to scum hunt without applying pressure. It's hard to apply pressure without real votes and the threat of being yeeted out the air lock.

I dunno, I've had a good reaction from someone so far (*>艸<)

1406 and 1407 on point for DGB, bang on average word count (ꐦ ´͈ ᗨ `͈ )

Oooooo wonder if I should try and bait a longer post out of it...

OK brain go bye bye as pain go GOOOD MORRRRNING FLEA! this is gunna get funky because I'm kinda struggling to read posts.

In post 1418, Titus wrote:Alright, it seems like we finally have a consensus to be dumb. I'm not going to stop the dumbness so I might as well make the best of it.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Must.... resist....

In post 1419, MURDERCAT wrote:Welcome to town, you must be new

(◍˃̶ᗜ˂̶◍)ﾉ”

DBG maintains it's post count average...

In post 14, Titus wrote:*sees the RQS*

*puts a down payment on a condo in dead chat*

Hah! It ain't bad. ◕‿↼

In post 144, Titus wrote:

In post 35, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:should we all claim task number? i see no reason not to

I have 2

I have one.
I plan on doing mine asap so I can pick up one of the other tasks and then do it.

I like this, nice and open and clear in intent.

In post 158, Titus wrote:

In post 153, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 148, Titus wrote:

In post 70, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 64, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:every1 claim what rooms you need for your tasks

i will excel it and figure out optimal pathing

alisae will probly do it faster and better

electricity room?

In post 71, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:wait you really only have 1 room to go to?

Same and it happens to be the same room.

So it looks like BM and I are sharing a room for the night.

goshdarn Titus, are you going to kill me?

Nope but given tasks can repeat, we may have the same task (if you're town). If not, you can't use your bonus kill on me. So I'm uneasily ok with staying with you.

We may have the same task if you're town... Scum might just mimic you and pretend to have the same task.
Then theres the "Well you can't bonus kill me, but I guess I'm ok with this..." which is a little odd? TMI or paranoid... not sure.

In post 184, Titus wrote:

In post 177, Akarin wrote:I wanna not do the RQS because I'm feeling grumpy and was gonna complain about it, but I like surveys

1)PR I want: Loyal Vig
2a)Scum miselim: Gamma
2b)Scum NK: Titus
2c)Scum buddy to be bussed by:

Taly

3)Mech-skill: decent but no one will listen to me
4)Candy: Maple candy, the kind that's just maple sugar that dissolves in your mouth, not the hard or artificial flavored stuff.
5a)Biggest strength: Townreading miselim-bait after initially scumreading them.
5b)Biggest Weakness: I'm too towny and care too much.

In post 11, Alisae wrote:I wanna do some RQS as well.

Green?

My real estate agent called. They said even less of a down payment is needed for my condo.

Oooooo you getting a good deal? [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅]

In post 244, Titus wrote:

In post 234, Alisae wrote:

In post 221, Titus wrote:I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

Cool ur with me

Ok great. Then Battle Mage can come too. I won't feel so awkward having someone I know there with me.

This makes the previous TMI or Paranoia look like TMI...
Bearing in mind I'm looking at this out of context of the rest of the thread.
Titus and BM initially, TMIs that BM can't use their bonus nightkill. Now Alisae is in Titus is more confident...

what... maybe I'm reading too much into this... My brain is doing the fuzzy wuzzies.

In post 272, Titus wrote:

In post 254, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 244, Titus wrote:

In post 234, Alisae wrote:

In post 221, Titus wrote:I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

Cool ur with me

Ok great. Then Battle Mage can come too. I won't feel so awkward having someone I know there with me.

pfft, now i dont wanna come

You have a job to do.

BM potentially has 2 tasks, why suddenly so keen to keep them around? This is bad vibes...

In post 467, Titus wrote:My brain hurts. I have zero idea on how to approach this day play without wagons. My data is my crutch.

I kinda like Taly though.

So make one.

In post 522, Titus wrote:If we go the no elimination route, BM, Gamma and I should take the task of whomever dies. We can split up the tasks so that we can complete them tomorrow night.

Curious why these 2.

In post 580, Titus wrote:If I get mislimmed day one, there's little I can do. I have accepted that with this game state. I have an easy task if I slowly post day 2.

That being said, I do feel my wagon is scum driven though. Consensus is gathering around no elimination but yet people vote me for actually voting for it.

Here are my actual weak reads though.

HC is scum riding off town Reck's coattails to disrupt the game.

BM is scum for waiting on a consensus before voting me. His position on me is just hot garbage in his ISO. He appeared fine when it was just me and him going to electrical but sad when Ali was added to the mix. That would have three in electrical. Removing me makes two in electrical.

Taly and Flea are town because of their metas.

Pooky and Alisae are town.

Cakez is town.

WRONG! There's a LOT you can do, you know, like sharing information and reads, giving town information to work with and stuff.
HC read seems legit, BM read is suspicious at this point.

Reading me as town because of my meta....

Lets go further into this. I'm not a huge fan of meta because it's adaptable and exploitable.
I have 2 completed games on site as of this point I believe, 3 at most.
First game is my newbie game where I'm all over the damn place
Second game is Death Curse. I was a heavy lurker, when I did post it wasn't much until I came under threat and it was again, all over the place. This is also where I decided to change up my play style.
Third game was The Council, School Edition. I posted LOTS and streamed my thoughts fairly well and stubbornly latched on to Ali/Taly's hydra, ultimately getting NK'd night 1.

The Council is the closest to my play here, but still different enough to not be considered my play here.
Could you justify your meta read on me?

In post 592, Titus wrote:

In post 585, SirCakez wrote:Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

I find Bell's take on me interesting. It's more NAI but suggests a genuine fear of me. If he's town, he knows I can pull some pretty outrageous shit and would fear me. If he's scum, he knows he needs to shade me out of the gate due to my late game prowess if given space.

Starting a train on me serves both purposes.

I don't really have an alignment read on Bell for that reason.

Self meta'ing to read another player is genuinely interesting...

In post 594, Titus wrote:

In post 591, OutWorldER wrote:I'm still in vehement disagreement of No Elim being good here, especially considering recent events.

At the very least, I'd like to flip somebody with hard stances on it, flip Me/Reck or Pooky/Ali. Then use the alignment to determine who's right.

This thinking is a fallacy. It supposes all town think correctly and all scum push incorrectly. It also supposes one correct path. The correct path is to force scum into claiming tasks or get eliminated. This puts us closer towards winning regardless of who is right. Right now, there are no tasks to claim.

This is also interesting, and I'm curious how this would play out.
Given Titus is keen on BM scum I would think she'd push here. Self claimed to be dependant on data she's still on no lim instead of pushing for data.

EUUUUUUGH I did not want to come into this and get a scum read. I was coming in here hoping for a townlean...

The HC read seems strong for what evidence is presented, but still nolim?
Like this is WEIRD to me.

In post 1062, Titus wrote:

In post 1061, Akarin wrote:

In post 1055, MURDERCAT wrote:Everyone agrees this is bad though right? We need to at least let the people who want to group, group.

If it's like 5 people trying to group it's not much different than random is the point.

And no, I'm not sure everyone agrees this is bad. A lot of people keep saying things that make me think they

don't

actually agree this is bad.

Random means we don't accomplish tasks.

I'm not doing random. Period.

I really want to put a message here in Braille as a comment on random period, but I think it would count as encrypted message, even if I put the original text in because it probably couldn't be verified.

In post 1064, Titus wrote:

In post 1063, Akarin wrote:SIGH

I wasn't at any point suggesting going to random rooms.

The assumption of random is that everyone just doing one of their tasks amounts to random rooms, assuming roughly equal distribution of tasks among the rooms.

Except it doesn't. For instance, Alisae has two tasks. One takes her to electrical the other to another room. By actively selecting electrical, we force a room of three (assuming BM lives).

That's a strong reason for BM to live. He has to try and complete his one task and can have another passed off to him from the dead corpse. It's a win-win situation regardless of BM's alignment.

This feels dismissive and stubborn. "I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG". I agree with Akarins #1066. The clarification didn't really leave room for misinterpretation here. Like it flagged me a bit at the time but I was a little bit focused on BM at the time.

In post 1083, Titus wrote:

In post 1081, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 1064, Titus wrote:It's a win-win situation regardless of BM's alignment.

Not if he's scum????

It is.

We force him to take a task. It auto completes. If he refuses, we kill him.

The task lets us also control what room he goes to. So he's a liability to scum.

This seems legit logic though.

In post 1137, Titus wrote:

In post 1136, DrippingGoofball wrote:So sad that Taly rolled scum.

Why did she roll scum?

In post 1142, Titus wrote:

In post 1141, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 1137, Titus wrote:

In post 1136, DrippingGoofball wrote:So sad that Taly rolled scum.

Why did she roll scum?

I believe the roles are srandomly distributed. Luck of the draw.

Why do you think she rolled scum?

*exasperated tone*

And actually pushing something semi-decent. This seems kinda fake reaction though maybe, given how much shes been on BM's butt without the exasperation.

In post 1179, Titus wrote:Can we move on to no elimination and compliance? I am bored and this feels like an RVS that will last forever.

This pinged me a bit. Titus isn't daft, she knows this is the best chance we've got to communicate effectively and seems to be wanting to cut it short. And despite the strong read on BM still wants to nolim...
We're also WAAAAY out of RVS so this seem really dismissive of everything up to this point...

In post 1203, Titus wrote:

In post 1198, OutWorldER wrote:

In post 1179, Titus wrote:Can we move on to no elimination and compliance? I am bored and this feels like an RVS that will last forever.

This is an attitude I see both you and BM spouting and it's just like:

People have solid reads, wagons are being started, people are pushing.

Were also only 3 days into deadline.

How the fuck does this possibly feel like RVS? Why are you so quick to end the day; even if your going with Pooky's plan, there's still a lack of claims so ending the day early with a No Elim vote would be awful?

No one can die. No one should die. Therefore, these votes are meaningless.

We just have me take a task and force BM to take a task after ensuring no one dies. Provided I don't fuck up tomorrow, it leaves us in a great position.

That's the proper play IMO. I have said it a million times.

No one can or should die.
Why?
Going for task win exclusively is BAD as we don't know enough about the setup to know that's a fully achievable wincon. Think about it, assuming some poor soul has 2 long tasks, thats 4 days to victory.
Imposters can kill between 4 and 8. If it's 8 then there's 9 players left.
That's TOO EASY for town to win. There's got to be something here to screw with us. You're not daft. You would think of this.

I can't shift this bad juju feeling (⌯˃̶᷄ ﹏ ˂̶᷄⌯)

In post 1206, Titus wrote:

In post 1204, Akarin wrote:Yeah but if we can't convince at least a majority of the town then it doesn't amount to anything.

I think most of the town is on board. We're just dealing with a vocal minority, thanks to Reck. I think even those voting are on board with the grouping plan.

My action is already decided. Aside from watching, I don't see anything protown to do.

There's ALWAYS something protown to do. ALWAYS.

In post 1233, Titus wrote:

In post 1221, Taly wrote:VOTE: DippingGoofball

I want to start here. Undeveloped thoughts from this slot.

This is OMGUS.

This is something to note for later based on flips I think. This might be me being newbish though.

In post 1234, Titus wrote:

In post 1207, Taly wrote:I want Titus to explain her meta takes and evaluate their strength openly. I think her frustration to DGB is sincere and I want to lean in on the way she approaches this plist read wise.

What in particular?

I'm loving Taly, he's not disappointing my expectations at all.
This question asks for a few things but Titus feels evasive?
To me this reads as:
- Tell me your strengths.
- Explain your Meta reads.

In post 1237, Titus wrote:

In post 1235, Flea The Magician wrote:

In post 1233, Titus wrote:

In post 1221, Taly wrote:VOTE: DippingGoofball

I want to start here. Undeveloped thoughts from this slot.

This is OMGUS.

Still more justification than most of Battle mages votes.

*not tunneling I swear - just kinda bored and scatterbrained lol*

No. Battle Mage is pretty transparently scum.

But no vote? When is a scum vote ever a bad vote?
When they're buddies?
I... I don't know at this point.

I'm definitely suspicious of this though, having had it pointed out Titus tried pocketing me by being mega agreeable with me in Death Curse (Seeing as the read on me is meta based, I'll return the favour).

In post 1328, Titus wrote:

In post 1305, Taly wrote:Meta. You townread Flea and I off of it in one of your early spews.

Compare this with Death curse.

I responded to this in my bumper catch up, and further up this post - but it's here again in case you missed it.

In post 1430, Flea The Magician wrote:You mean the game I lurked like hell and didn't wake up until I was on the chopping block?
That was the game where I decided to drop the filter and just think "stuff it lets go".
Also Titus isn't attempting to pocket me this time ★~(◡‿⊙✿)

In post 1418, Titus wrote:Alright, it seems like we finally have a consensus to be dumb. I'm not going to stop the dumbness so I might as well make the best of it.

VOTE: Battle Mage

This happened during my catchup, I don't feel the mood shifted enough to warrant this and it confused me a bit at the time.