In post 132, Titus wrote:Hmm.In post 103, Oil Tycoons wrote:I'm always weirded out when people do the "I thought you were going to ask this question" thing. Why would superbowl specifically ask you why you were voting your townread? Why is it weird for you to be voting your townread when that expressed townread was not Uber strong?In post 81, Firebringer wrote:superbowl not even gonna question why i am voting my townread still. Interesting.
#puts post in the sorting pile
I like this progression from Titus.In post 143, Titus wrote:@Oil Tycoons, Why do you make post 103 defending superbowl9 if it's too early for TRs?
The reason why I've been playing in hydras since I've returned to the site is because the nature of my work means that even though we're in slow season right now and I hypothetically should have time to play mafia, certain things pop up and I fall off the face of the planet for a set amount of time. My style as a whole involves a lot of thinking and reading before posting (usually) which means end result is my beautiful self that you're used to. I think that your scumread on my entrance makes sense because that Nacho was me posting before hanging out and drinking and then a bunch of sloppy drunk posting - I think that the chances you take such an aggressive tack if scum against me are low and the way that you've gone back and forth on extremes in determining my alignment also reads very very genuine.In post 147, kookiemonster wrote:I ish having some problems with your slot and I was thinking maybe nacho can help clear my suspicions but I think the reason why nacho isn't coming is because he doesn't like being scum, yeah?
So far seeing very firm BM townreads from Fire and Titus and don't really understand them.In post 150, Titus wrote:I highly doubt BM is scum here.
First BM post that I actually kind of like.In post 168, Battle Mage wrote:Titus, you're on form.
This is silly. The AtE in question is this:In post 171, Battle Mage wrote:Lots of people can AtE as either alignment - I can AtE as town or scum. I try to distinguish based on timing and circumstance. In this case, I think it's more scum-indicative AtE to avoid scrutiny - if town, it's a little premature. Do you think Flea can't AtE as scum
Got a few issues with this.In post 120, Flea The Magician wrote:VOTE: BMHonestly, Im just scum by default at this point. Nobody likes me ლ(｡-﹏-｡ ლ)In post 119, Bell wrote:My god if it's that easy though. It's practically a flea trust tell. XD
This is an extraordinarily silly question and I don't see any world where you get an alignment-indicative answer to it. Why ask it?In post 213, Guillotina wrote:This gives me flashbacks from the Xenoblade game.In post 122, ManWithNoName wrote:Get ready for the solve
Spoiler: Definitely the solve, not the DK Rap
Do you post DK raps as either alignment?
Why do I have to pick?In post 1174, Flea The Magician wrote:"I change my meta every game."
"They've seen my town games! Why can't they see this is my town game?!"
Pick one please Guillotina.
I don't understand the question. Can you ask in simpler terms please?In post 1191, Titus wrote:G, I need your response as well. Is a conftown G good or bad for the game?
Why do you think I'm scum? I ask because I think you might be scum.In post 1192, Gamma Emerald wrote:BM seems pretty active and earnest so far, this isn't like his scumgame against me where he played UtRIn post 1180, Oil Tycoons wrote:Hi. Why do you townread Battle Mage? Why do you scumread Sugar Kain? Do you have any other reads you'd like to share?
Sugar Cain (Nero Cain head to be specific) seems a bit similar to when I played as scum with him in Micro 887
for other I think kookiemonster is town, Flea seems scummy but I'm not really sold on that atp, Bell I thought town early but has fallen off it seems (based on activity overview), Titus and mastina both seem towny, guilo I had a turnaround on iirc where I thought him town but now think he's scum
I like this post. I'll refer to it tomorrow when I have more time. (I tried to put the quoted text inside a spoiler but it didn't work for some reason).In post 1193, mastina wrote:There's a problem with that:In post 1186, kookiemonster wrote:Mastina help me case Guillo. You are far better at casing and convincing people than me. Plsssssssssss *puppy eyes*
Casing people requires me to actually be sure they're scum, and while I know people tend to think that when I latch onto a scumread, I don't let it go...I actually DO end up sometimes actually getting such strong doubts that I can't make the strong push on them anymore.
In this game particularly, I'm struggling to get a reasonable solve or even a consistent townbloc.
To wit,...To those I DO have doubt on:Spoiler: compare these reads I have zero-to-minimal doubt on...
Battle Mage
^While my thought is that Battle Mage's fights are town, even TvT, I know I can't read him, and there is paranoia that his pushes come from scum. I can see the conviction behind them being from him as town, but I also know he will make posts that have conviction as scum. And, someone needs to be scum, so it could be him. But, my instinct does say town because the pushes he is making, though not all good, all seem to be sincere which makes me think more town than scum.
Oil Tycoons (Syryana and Nachomamma8)
^While I am far from alone in thinking the content of the hydra sucks ass, there are a couple of things making me doubt that they're scum. Notably,
1: I believe that I'm basically the closest thing the slot has to an ally? Is literally everyone suspicious of them? It certainly seems that way; I may be remembering incorrectly, but I don't remember so much as a single slot defending them and a ton of slots attacking them. Meaning, either they're town or scum are willing to bus them.
2: the push with their intervention in BM v Flea felt incredibly out of place if they're scum--it doesn't make sense with any combination of Flea/BM's alignments with Oil Tycoons. Not scum-BM, not scum-Flea, not town-both, and certainly not scum-both. That intervention does nothing for Oil Tycoons in any of those combinations.
3: The reachouts made to slots like me. I realize it's not impossible for scum to make reachouts like that, but the reachouts instantly made me doubt my scumread there and think town.
Gamma Emerald
^While I liked Gamma's early content and to some extent still like it now, he's far from locktown and my defense of him from Guillotina was exaggerated. Tho I genuinely did see the things in him I said I did, I'm not as sure about them as I appeared; there was doubt in my mind, andsomeoneneeds to be scum. So he's a candidate for that.
Firebringer
^I can say that I've liked everything Firebringer has done content-wise, but I can't read him worth shit. I'll say that I do like his chosen gimmick for this game tho; it does put a smile on my face and is genuinely entertaining and amusing. (The abrasiveness towards others, less so, but I cannot blame him for it.)
Titus
^I really, really liked Titus's content, but while everything she's said has resonated with me, one thing is keeping her from being in the town group: by gut, something tonally feels 'off' about Titus. The things she's said are good! Her reads are solid, her reasoning is great, and her stances are good. She's being fairly reasonable and doing things that do look town. But gut-wise, something tonally seems off about her, and I can't place it beyond a feeling of something there being artificial.
Flea The Magician
^Flea is a slot that I townread because faer content does look town to me. I've liked faer tone, I've liked faer reasoning, I've liked faer pushes, I'm liking everything fae is putting forward. But I admit there is a lack of familiarity, and yes, I do see the similarities between this game and Among Us that Battle Mage is pushing fae for. However, it also seems subtly different. Are the differences just due to being a different scumgame? Possible, but overall I do lean towards the slight differences being due to Flea being town. It's not a locktown read tho.
Sugar Cain (Momrangal and Nero Cain)
^When Nero posted, I mentally noted in my list of Nero-tells that this looked like Nero as town. But every time I reviewed prior Nero games, I came to doubt it. Yet when reading his iso here, I came to see it again. Overall, Nero's less active here than he should be; Nero's content seems to be slightly lacking in some things that could indicate scum; Momrangal while present now was largely absent, in a way similar to the previous Sugar Cain scumgame where Mom was largely absent and Nero did most of the posting.
However, while some aspects of Nero's posting seems flat in the way typical of his scumgame, other aspects of his play still resonate with me as town. The indignance I'd expect from Nero as town, though more subdued, is still present. So while I am slightly conflicted, I still think that, overall, this is Sugar Cain as town, because I still think that I am seeing the right things for Nero being town.
Guillotina
^Guillotina's a slot I was strongly scumreading, by both gut and also through their lackluster content on multiple levels. Their posting felt forced and faked, and I hated how their readslist had inverse proportion to reads as it should--it had three town when it should've had three scum, and five scum when it should've had five town. I disliked the reads and the reasoning within at the time and Guillotina's response to pressure is terrible.
Furthermore, Guillotina's shown multiple inconsistencies, such as "I try not to use meta" when using a bunch of meta, and saying that their game is constantly being changed up, while resembling a past game of theirs. There's numerous such inconsistencies throughout their iso and I can see exactly why they look like scum from these trends.
So why the doubt?
For a start--while Guillotina's hyper-aggro towards me when pointing this out wasn't town, Guillotina did raise a good point: Guillotina did in fact risk getting mod-replaced/modkilled in that one area with the, what's the best term to use? Loophole abuse? Angleshooting? Guillotina genuinely went out of their way to get mod clarification on the rules, in a way that scum did have no reason to do and I can see town having reason to.
More than that, the way Guillotina handled my slot seemed genuine as well, where Guillotina by the end was reaching out to me, and the way Guillotina was handling things seemed hugely town. Guillotina's content since then has also had huge shades of townness, from the general handling of the game and stances taken that feel sincere, genuine, and based at least a little in fact.
Plus, in hindsight: I don't actually disagree with Guillotina's readslist as much as I thought,and, I am, currently, ironically: in a state where my own reads due to being in disarray, are actually similar to the very thing I attacked Guillotina for, in not having enough town, being too incoherent, being too uncohesive, etc. So I can not hold that against Guillotina.
(Not included: Superbowl9, as a read that I see as unambiguously scum)
I'll try to put these thoughts into a readslist next post.
Why are you doing this Gamma? You've been Echoing Kookies' votes and reads like a slave?In post 1210, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Oil
I dunno why people SR this but practically everyone has so I'm okay sheeping
She actually does not scum read me unless I interpreted it wrong, she nulls me. Which is more than I could have hoped for for someone that has never played with me. She actually took the time to case me.In post 1217, kookiemonster wrote:YAY you do SR guillo! Awesome!In post 1193, mastina wrote:There's a problem with that:
Casing people requires me to actually be sure they're scum, and while I know people tend to think that when I latch onto a scumread, I don't let it go...I actually DO end up sometimes actually getting such strong doubts that I can't make the strong push on them anymore.
In this game particularly, I'm struggling to get a reasonable solve or even a consistent townbloc.
as for town block, its just {Mastina, Noraa}
done!
-happynornor
This post is weird. How do you know they have roles? did they claim?In post 1263, Titus wrote:Can I trade roles with BM or Flea please?
What new style are you trying out exactly?In post 313, Battle Mage wrote:trying out a new style, we'll see whether it is effective. don't worry, im happy enoughIn post 239, superbowl9 wrote:BM is reading weird to me, his content isn't as happy? ig? as normal BM. But I just saw scum him and he wasn't like this either so not really sure what to make of it
Which I'd appreciate if each of you stepped away from because it's completely useless to the rest of us.In post 338, Flea The Magician wrote:BM than made a meta case on me which I countered with a similar meta case,
Why would you volunteer to 1v1 with Flea? What need would there be?In post 339, Battle Mage wrote:If need be, I'll volunteer to 1v1 with you today.
So I did!In post 343, Battle Mage wrote:i genuinely think you should sober up and come back to the game tomorrow, if you believe this.In post 336, Oil Tycoons wrote:This post in particular.In post 118, Battle Mage wrote:yeah this feels like flea-scum. very self-conscious and inward-looking analysis; big post mostly fluff
What about his posting is self-conscious, inward looking analysis?
Doesn't mesh with what he's actually posted.
OMG there is hope, she is starting to see it.In post 1320, kookiemonster wrote:Im trying so damn hard to save ur scummy ass. Please stop being dumb like this. You're on the chopping block cuz of dumb stuff like this -________-In post 1284, superbowl9 wrote:I think im gonna pull a titus and play from like a few pages back each day
1) you better be town otherwise im going to be mad
2) you better get into the game
-hmphydoodles
Is there an answer to this pair of questions that is both productive and beneficial to the town?In post 1433, Guillotina wrote:This post is weird. How do you know they have roles? did they claim?In post 1263, Titus wrote:Can I trade roles with BM or Flea please?
The hell is this post. So you barely have time post anything because you are on vacation but you have time to post crap like this?In post 1333, superbowl9 wrote:You know the guy sitting in the car with the lady pounding on the window meme? Can someone make that with me and mastina’s heads
It looked weird to me. It's probably nothing.In post 1436, Oil Tycoons wrote:Is there an answer to this pair of questions that is both productive and beneficial to the town?In post 1433, Guillotina wrote:This post is weird. How do you know they have roles? did they claim?In post 1263, Titus wrote:Can I trade roles with BM or Flea please?
I'm down for Superbowl and Gamma out of that list.In post 1352, Titus wrote:Oil Dunn Superbowl9 Gamma...who is with me?
Baah. Really? Superb?In post 1413, kookiemonster wrote:Town: Noraa, Johnny, Mastina, Superb, Oily
This list has zero scum. Im calling it.
-norbearbear
Oil sees things that I see. I like it.In post 1418, Oil Tycoons wrote:
The thing that made me zero in on him though? His interaction with you, Noraa. Starting at 713 and ending with 729, he followed you around like a lost puppy. Actually, more like a parrot, since he unvoted as soon as you went "well i'm not actually scumreading Firebringer tho" in 728. His posting this game is completely soulless and directionless, which heavily contradicts both games I've seen him play town (Xenoblade, and Smoke Filled Antechamber).
Also of note; he's active lurking. He posts in little spurts every few hours or so, off and on, but he certainly was johnny on the spot when I came in and voted him. In fact, that vote was the first time I got any hint of emotion from him this entire game.
I mean I was voting them b/c his "nero isn't scumhunting" was a lie from the bottom pits of hell and then he changed his reasoning to "nero isn't being the same" He's trying to argue that they are one in the same but I disagree. He's saying that my blankRVS looking vote on Bell wasn't scumhunting but when I pointed out that I had a similar opening in LG230 he "forgot" so mypov he's scum that got caught sheeping dumb town SB and noraa is trying desperately to bus.In post 1425, Firebringer wrote:Is there a reason to vote them
I don't meta hunt, I use meta by playing with people and seeing their habits develop live. Mostly because I lack the attention span.In post 1427, Guillotina wrote:Ok. Good evening, I have an hour before i go to sleep. I'm super tired so, bare with me.
Why do I have to pick?In post 1174, Flea The Magician wrote:"I change my meta every game."
"They've seen my town games! Why can't they see this is my town game?!"
Pick one please Guillotina.
I change my meta at will but there are certain traits that I display involuntarily when I town regardless of the meta I portray, such as:
1) I protect my townreads but I'm not afraid to re-evaluate and push them if they raise a red flag.
2) My aggressive sugarcoat-less tongue.
3) I do not coward when I'm pushed, no matter who is doing the pushing and no matter the repercussions I may suffer for posing such resistance, specially against consensus town read players.
4) I question everything that seems odd even if it's not odd for everyone else.
5) I rarely sheep anyone, if I place a vote, it's because I believe in it. This is both a quality and a defect because it's hard for me to agree on a consensus vote I don't believe in.
6) I'm not afraid to OMGUS.
7) I tunnel
[snip]
I wasn't, as I said, we had no completed games together and I was aware he's a reflexive hunter like me. Ongoing games are completely off the table for me to discuss.In post 1434, Oil Tycoons wrote:Which I'd appreciate if each of you stepped away from because it's completely useless to the rest of us.In post 338, Flea The Magician wrote:BM than made a meta case on me which I countered with a similar meta case,
Don't talk about ongoing games also means don't dance around ongoing games.
This is a stretch.In post 1435, Guillotina wrote:OMG there is hope, she is starting to see it.In post 1320, kookiemonster wrote:Im trying so damn hard to save ur scummy ass. Please stop being dumb like this. You're on the chopping block cuz of dumb stuff like this -________-In post 1284, superbowl9 wrote:I think im gonna pull a titus and play from like a few pages back each day
1) you better be town otherwise im going to be mad
2) you better get into the game
-hmphydoodles
fuck....how old are you?? I'm not your dad. if you get drunk and act like a fool, that's entirely your responsibilityIn post 1434, Oil Tycoons wrote: I don't like you treating me like a child, drunk or not.
