In post 1365, innocentvillager wrote:1) This is an unprecedented situation, where literally 16/18 people were in last game which happened back to back so literally EVERYONE is going to use that as a baseline and EVERYONE knows that other people are going to be referencing their play last game
So? That still doesn't mean, of a hypothetical 16 players, you're going to get even close to 16 brainstorming how to be different from last game if rolling scum twice.
You'd be lucky if it was 4; a realistic projection would be 1-2.
You might not understand that, but while Team Mafia is meant to be a team game where there's four people involved per slot in every game, in practice, only about 50% of teams have cross-game players, and of those 50% of the teams, only about half of them have it be more than one player, and of those teams, only about 25% of them are going to do so for a scum game.
Team Mafia, as an event, has ALWAYS had a "not my game, not my problem" apathy to it, for literal years, ESPECIALLY for the slots who roll scum.
Why do you think that an incredibly common towntell is, "X gave thoughts from teammate Y, they're more likely town"? Did you think that came out of nowhere? No, that tell exists because of a longstanding team mafia meta, a meta not specific to any team but specific to the event itself. Teammates don't care about their teammates' scumgames. Any time a teammate does intervene, it is the exception to the general rule of apathy for games not your own.
So hercule-scum wouldn't have 16 players invested.
He'd be lucky to have 2.
Because even scumbuddies upon seeing hercule was scum aren't innately inherently going to pull a strategic meeting to plan. Who in this game has the mindset for that? I do, LLD maybe does, Almost50 definitely does, Titus certainly would, the worst would, Cephrir/jjh are possible but not assured. If the scumteam doesn't have those players helping him, it comes down to hercule on his lonesome. Him and him alone, to cover his bases.
In post 1365, innocentvillager wrote:Specifically, I want to be convinced that hercule has transformed like, in multiple multiple ways (or covered "EVERY Base"), that others haven't expressed. The more you say it as if he's done a 180 in MULTIPLE ways, the more I feel that I'm probably just missing something. would you mind tl;dr'ing me/quoting me on it?
Not today, today's another low-site-presence day, but in the mean time: try an exercise: do an iso of hercule from last game.
If you're not going to bother isoing all of hercule last game, you can read the first like 20ish posts and then read the last 60ish or so. Doing that will give you a frame of reference for what I saw from him that game.
Then iso him this game.
Look at the differences yourself.
I'll do the work myself to show it when I have more time, but while you're waiting for me you can do it yourself.
I won't get nightkilled N1 if too many town are paranoid of me. D:
