In post 1419, Radical Rat wrote:Hmm, if only there were some big and obvious moment where a scummy player made a huge scene and killed the Ari wagon, and forced Town to rush someone else immediately before deadline.
Titus or Dwlee. these are the two slots I have nothing going FOR so far.
Seriously? You're ridiculous given your stunts last day phase and now this
We have a big case on ndmath and you want to kill me for not doing enough this game
I'm actually going to case A50 based on their vote on me. It set off all sorts of red flags.
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:36 am
by Titus
Spoiler: A50 posts RE NDMATH
quote="In post 547, Almost50"]Where did you get that I have no reads? You asked me who the SCUM are, and I said I don't know. You didn't ask about my TOWN reads, of which I have many.
By play unwnd & Skybird are strong TRs to me.
Gamma is a strong enough but as strong as the two forementioned.
Meg is a Town Lean, and so are you (but only due to your claim if I'm being candid). I also have NDmath in this category but I forgot why that is.
I am still not cpmfprtable with either of Mon or Kop slots, but my push on them has been rebuked and I kind of felt disappointed as that stopped the game from progressing OMHO. They didn't need to actually get eliminated, but I thought some genuine real pressure on either could have given the game a good push forward. Now I'm just watching things develpp naturally and waiting for the day to end so I can start connecting dots.
Anything else you wnna ask? Fell free to shoot .. just as long as you try your best to make it specific, if you please.[/quote]
Radical Rat
Enchant
Gamma Emerald
Titus
Yuki Takeya
Dwlee99
Taroumaru
Morning Tweet
NDmath
Skybird
Aristophanes
PookyTheMagicalBear
Almost50
Let me know if I need to switch you with myself to achieve that pocket I've been seeking all day long
In post 1423, Almost50 wrote:IMHO, Titus is a better lim than ND, because I don't feel the WIN from her. I do understand the trial/jury thing but she sounds s bit more committed elsewhere still. Not a hill I would die fighting on though.
VOTE: [v/]Titus[/v]
Let's break this down.
Opportunistically voting a counterwagon to a slot that has done nothing.
His rationale is the sheepish that I have done nothing (ok on its own not in context).
He acts as if this is a pressure vote (not a hill he would die on) but was unwilling to pressure NDMath.
Meanwhile (see spoilers) his NDMath read was allegedly subnull. Yet he does nothing to act until after NDMath is wagoned.
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:37 am
by Titus
The only non red flag I recall on A50 was him confusing this game for my vengeful townie game (now completed).
In post 663, Almost50 wrote:Oh, and the definition of a good argument is: Does NOT include the words/expressions "I feel" or "it looks like" or the like.
:sweating:
Ari went to X-1 on page 28 and A50 didn't claim a N0 inno then...... how the HELL did everyone buy the innocent when it came later? (I have that correct no?)
Kind of like Skybird switching to Kop from a distaste for the Ari wagon. NDMath sort of egged Dwlee to hammer (692) which i really don't like i think scum probably chills and sees if a hammer happens (assuming Ari is town)
In post 702, Almost50 wrote:@RR: Let's assume you are Town. Would you rather kill s Townie over No Lim?
Yuki do you still find RR scummy? (And if this question was answered recently I am sorry but i have limited game sense and im reviewing back here tonight so yeah).
I probably would have voted Kop. That looks worse for Tarou better for NDMath (Although to be fair, Kop was town and also NDmath was complacent with an RR hammer). I probably like Skybird/Gamma better, yuki an unwnd worse
Oh Kop claimed his role was easily confirmable i forgot about that. I have no idea who I would have voted, possibly Ari then cause i wouldnt have had access to the info i do now. Hmph. Unwnd is still complacent with RR anyway
Tarou is Yuki obvious town to you?
In post 789, Dwlee99 wrote:Can people go back to ari? Seriously, why did that wagon evaporate? I townread DotW and RR here and a50 I thought was town but he's being scummy af now. So either wagon a50 for all the wagoning shenanigans he's been up to or wagon ari and I will hammer either.
In post 811, NDMath wrote:Am feeling better about the Ari vote than I was earlier but still would prefer RR.
I'll be back a little before deadline in case nothing's hammered by then but the situation appears it'll be under control.
it doesn't feel like you were particularly concerned which wagon died -- which fits with my idea that most or all were town. Which also makes sense with how most of the game is low impact, i expect scum could get away with leading wagons easier.
Hey we're to the fake Inno on Ari. Originally I was like "okay well scum followed the vote without caring, why?" -- I am thinking it's because there's scum in the voters and both wagons were town. I guess that's not an earth shattering conclusion though but it makes sense given it seems this game is super fucking slow and people can plausibly be like "Whatever we just need to get something thru" without questioning much
I think if there were more town on RR there'd be a "Bullshit no way" response. Or if Ari were town and RR!scum there'd also have been a bullshit no way. But.. there wasn't.
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:10 am
by Titus
Just a heads up MT, I moved our large theme closer to signups since my homicide trial got delayed for awhile and I'm doing a DUU trial this week.
In post 312, Aristophanes wrote:I just read 4 pages and despite the vote changes I don't feel like anything actually happened??
Maybe I should restart reading the game. It feels so preliminary still tho
Do you have a better method of making something out of nothing than shifting around votes?
This also supports the idea that ND is trying to "make things happen" by building wagons for reactions (I don't necessarily approve, but it's the way half of the players on MS choose to play on D1)
In post 350, Dwlee99 wrote:Who would y'all dayvig if you had a compulsive one?
Kitty, but def wouldn't want to shoot now.
imo the unwnd/rat interaction looks good for unwnd and meh for rat.
More mindmeld. Remember that my main 2 "pushes" on D1 were mom & Kop? Even NOW I still agree that unwnd (now Pooky) looks much townier than RR still. (I do realize Kitty got replaced by Kop who was then shot at night, which may look iffy, but would scum explicitly state whom they were going to kill this early?)
In post 382, NDMath wrote:I think gamma's light defense of unwnd likely comes from town, just since I'm not sure scum!gamma would write it.
Scumlean on Titus; nothing in her iso catches my eye (which is abnormal even for this early) besides #366.
Again.. even NOW this is still valid. ALL of it.
In post 529, NDMath wrote:I agree that Skybird's scumread on dwlee is weird, but I don't see anything scum-indicative about it. Overall her activity/presence is strong and I townlean their more aggressive/direct approach.
This is probably the towniest A50 has been in my experience with him
; he's been heavily advancing the game, his tone is well-intentioned, and the high activity is also a good sign for him.
@Gamma, What does 'some room' even mean this late into the day phase?
The bolded is a TRUE STATEMENT (or at least I think it is. I didn't check how many games I've played with ND or how they went)
And that was it for D1
On D2 he didn't bother questioning my "D1 stunt" as Dwlee calls it. I would have expected SCUM (side-eyes RR) to make it that
the
subject of the day. What better opportunity to shift all attention off Scum and focus it on a Town player?
I started to lose concentration at about this time. So that's why ND was still TOWN to me (I even FORGOT the details of D1. I just remembered he was a strong TR to me by the end of the day, and the start of D2 confirmed it)
