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In post 1419, Loki Dokie wrote:

In post 1416, Roden wrote:I'm just struggling to figure out how to participate without inducing WIFOM by just existing

I feel like I'm in a weird spot where anything I say is going to get interpreted as being way more layered than it actually is. Some of the votes on Dann were made because of a pre-flipped read on me and looking too deeply into my town read on him. Idk, I don't want to ruin the game by centralizing who to vote for over things that are in my ISO.

So your argument is that you waited to vote Kuti once GL had already put him to e-1 not to wifom scum? Your vote did absolutely nothing to help Dann atp because had I voted Kuti, it would have been a tie and the earlier tie always wins, so I think for that to have really made any sense, you wouldn’t have waited until it was extremely likely too late to save him.

Oh wait, the “him” here was obviously referring to Dann not Kuti.

Lololol. I feel really dumb now. I was just so paranoid I accidently misgendered Kuti again that I just freaked out, Well, exteme relief that I actually didn’t and my correction just failed to make any sense.

Don't overdo it fellas and fellettes
Remember to take breaks between doing !NOTHING!

Less condescending than it looks in case you‘re wondering ;p

I feel a bit stuck here.

I want to try to accomplish more today than just going "Welp, guess it's Bell," which is why I haven't voted yet, but without the ability to meaningfully vote anyone else, and with doing the usual reads/sorting being basically handing scum a guide on who has the best chance of winning the test.

Perhaps if Bell/furtive were a meatier decision the way Dann/kuti we're, but idk. WIFOM machine go brrrr

ill prob reread furtive tn just to see if i have any doubts there but i don't think i will

UNVOTE:

Time for the usual revisit that ideally happen when I don't have to clear the room of the smoke coming out of my ears

In post 405, furtiveglance wrote:I'd say right now I townread Dannflor, Loki, Fire and GuiltyLion.

Bell could go either way, I can definitely see them as scum but that doesn't fit their interactions with my other scumreads so could depend on flips.

RR hasn't done enough to be town but I find Greeting's push on them more sus than they are.

Aristeia could be town but I'm leaning towards mafia.

Greeting, Vivax, and Roden seem like mafia.

I don't have a read on

KittyTacky

or

kuti

plz yet.

do you all think scum worries at all about putting teammates as null reads at the bottom of their post together?

VOTE: furtiveglance

Insta 180

In post 192, furtiveglance wrote:Roden is mafia.

In post 193, furtiveglance wrote:Pocketing Dannflor and Bell in quick succession.

In post 237, furtiveglance wrote:As fun as that little minigame is, I said Roden was mafia before anyone else voted him so I'm happy to vote there. I also think Vivax is mafia, and I think Dannflor and Bell are town.

In post 252, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 190, Roden wrote:

In post 91, Bell wrote:

In post 85, kutiplz wrote:

In post 82, Bell wrote:Meow me a river.

Also, that is the cutest avatar. I cannot tel if that is an actual cat or a doll.

Thank you, it's a cute cat.

What is your experience with the players in this player list

I've played with Fire, Dann, Furtive, Roden, Guilty, Radicalrat

(but it always feels like I'm playing adjacent to them)

.
And I completely forgot if I played with Aris before or if I just chatted with them in a dead thread once.

I think getting a lay of the land is kind of both.

@Fire, same. Mostly I play this game to understand people. Speaking of which.
Are you scum?

I feel that. There are just some players that I never really interact with even across multiple games.

It's this for me. It's just fluff, designed to pocket Bell.

In post 275, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 273, Aristeia wrote:VOTE: Roden

Is this sus

In post 288, furtiveglance wrote:Yeah I'd definitely like Roden to say more before I considered voting there.

So did a quick ISO and found a bussing pattern on Roden. Meanwhile most of the posts with questioning intent were aimed at mostly me, and a bit of ari and Dann who both voted furtive very early.

The last post doesn‘t reflect the earlier confidence about Roden at all.

In post 1045, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 1043, furtiveglance wrote:Well, so far it seems like GL and Loki are leaning towards Dannflor, and Fire/Vivax/RR are leaning towards kuti plz.

Anyway, follow up to this is I'd know who I'd rather vote with, regardless of who we're actually voting.

In post 1057, furtiveglance wrote:I don't think reads in general matter as much for this game, and I'm realising my earlier comment about voting with townreads is probably not the right way to play. It doesn't matter who among the living is town as long as I vote correctly each day.

I also doubt scum!furtive fakes this progression - specifically, I don't see why furtive would decide he should go back on his reasoning here, since he still was going to wind up voting Dann

In post 1009, Bell wrote:

In post 1005, GuiltyLion wrote:Especially considering like if kuti was mafia and Dann is town kuti gained virtually no towncredit from the Kitty flip, if they had someone who bussed why not try to cash in on the fake dissasociatives you planted before you risk looking scummy and blowing it by pushing a miselim first

This is a surprisingly persuasive argument. But I'm going to take my time an then probably just default to Kuti anyway.
But I can pretend, I can pretend to have really thought it through before fucking up.

In hindsight, I don't like this post from Bell

because he's signaling he's going to vote kuti, but calling that "fucking up" pushes the idea that kuti is town

In post 1429, Radical Rat wrote:I want to try to accomplish more today than just going "Welp, guess it's Bell," which is why I haven't voted yet, but without the ability to meaningfully vote anyone else, and with doing the usual reads/sorting being basically handing scum a guide on who has the best chance of winning the test.

also this is a mood

it feels like there's less to really discuss or do when the lim candidates can't speak for themselves

GL trying hard to get Vultures spot with that counterpush
FGs read on Roden is very obviously faked
But I can‘t guarantee it means anything for GL if they just push the wrong elim put of the blue so suddenly

It just feels improbable a genuine honest townie would ignore points against Fg

In post 1437, Vivax wrote:FGs read on Roden is very obviously faked

how? I see you quoting an early game scumread but a willingness to wait before voting there because it was <300 posts into the game. It's easy to imagine that coming from town. What makes you say it's "obviously faked"?

yeet

Bell [1]:

Loki Dokie

furtiveglance [1]:

Vivax

not voting [6]:

Vulture, GuiltyLion, Aristeia, fireisredsir, Radical Rat, Roden

mod notes

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In post 1438, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 1437, Vivax wrote:FGs read on Roden is very obviously faked

how? I see you quoting an early game scumread but a willingness to wait before voting there because it was <300 posts into the game. It's easy to imagine that coming from town. What makes you say it's "obviously faked"?

One of the most obvious indicators of bussing is a quick high confidence read with a followup that‘s almost exclusively aimed at pushing other townies instead.

In that quote chain, the last post shouldn‘t be a thing if FG had been honest about his Roden read earlier

I've done absolutely no thinking and I plan to sheep fire on voting Bell.

In post 1433, Vivax wrote:VOTE: furtiveglance

Insta 180

In post 192, furtiveglance wrote:Roden is mafia.

In post 193, furtiveglance wrote:Pocketing Dannflor and Bell in quick succession.

In post 237, furtiveglance wrote:As fun as that little minigame is, I said Roden was mafia before anyone else voted him so I'm happy to vote there. I also think Vivax is mafia, and I think Dannflor and Bell are town.

In post 252, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 190, Roden wrote:

In post 91, Bell wrote:

In post 85, kutiplz wrote:

In post 82, Bell wrote:Meow me a river.

Also, that is the cutest avatar. I cannot tel if that is an actual cat or a doll.

Thank you, it's a cute cat.

What is your experience with the players in this player list

I've played with Fire, Dann, Furtive, Roden, Guilty, Radicalrat

(but it always feels like I'm playing adjacent to them)

.
And I completely forgot if I played with Aris before or if I just chatted with them in a dead thread once.

I think getting a lay of the land is kind of both.

@Fire, same. Mostly I play this game to understand people. Speaking of which.
Are you scum?

I feel that. There are just some players that I never really interact with even across multiple games.

It's this for me. It's just fluff, designed to pocket Bell.

In post 275, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 273, Aristeia wrote:VOTE: Roden

Is this sus

In post 288, furtiveglance wrote:Yeah I'd definitely like Roden to say more before I considered voting there.

So did a quick ISO and found a bussing pattern on Roden. Meanwhile most of the posts with questioning intent were aimed at mostly me, and a bit of ari and Dann who both voted furtive very early.

The last post doesn‘t reflect the earlier confidence about Roden at all.

Would it make any sense at all for scum!furtive to pair him and Bell together in that case?

I really don’t see that making much sense?

In post 237, furtiveglance wrote:As fun as that little minigame is, I said Roden was mafia before anyone else voted him so I'm happy to vote there. I also think Vivax is mafia, and I think Dannflor and Bell are town.

Iow, why does scum!furtive pair himself here with town!Bell?

In post 303, Bell wrote:

In post 189, Roden wrote:Dann's obvtown here

No. They aren't.

In post 299, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 298, Aristeia wrote:I'm sorry I don't really care what people read me as.

it might be a character flaw

Do you care about getting voted out, or losing? Why do you play?

I play for fun, and I like surviving and winning, it hurts to get voted out and lose.

Aw.

Does Loki ever power woof?
Loki, out yourself.

On reread. a pretty odd post by Bell here. What does this question wrt to me have jack to do with the rest of this post?

In post 375, Aristeia wrote:

In post 373, KittyTacky wrote:

In post 251, Radical Rat wrote:I don't understand the Roden wagon. He's got three posts, and none of them strike me as particularly scummy.

Yeah same. Roden is very null to me.

I don't understand how you can sus the loki voters and also be null on roden

this feels like a contradiction to me.

I know we’re not voting on Roden today but this is an interesting catch.

Also noteworthy there is Kitty reinforcing my doubt on the wagon... Though I stand by that at the time people were grasping at straws, it does seem like an attempt to shift momentum without outright defending him.

VOTE: Bell

Vivax I do see what you're saying about how furtive flips from "happy to vote there" to "need to see more before considering voting" is odd, but IMO it's kinda odd as either alignment, like those posts were 2 hours apart I am not sure scum would be so careless? it's a good call out, I'll think about it

that said, I also think if we're just assuming scum!Roden, Bell's behavior is fairly partner-y as well. He basically doubtcasts the Roden wagon while avoiding giving a real read there (340, 345, 348), then pushes Kitty instead. It's not hard to imagine that as scum trying to protect a buddy before bussing another one (perhaps intending to use towncred from the bus to continue to shield the other). Didn't comment on him at all D2 as far as I can tell

Bell’s posting is so strange here. He reads better in isolation than in interactions.

In post 364, Bell wrote:I'd rather we left Roden alone for the next RL day
And then come back to that because it's not morally wrong to lim someone going through a difficult time. Because it's not morally wrong to lim someone. But there are other alleys to explore.

VOTE: KittyTacky
Hi, are you scum?
What have you done this game that doesn't make you scum this game?

Bell votes Kitty to save Roden. If Roden is scum, he’s a far stronger scum player than Kitty, so perhaps scum had to bus Kitty to save Roden?

Kitty was 100% a coordinated bus, which is why he put up no resistance whatsoever.