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[Datisi]

vote count 2.04

with 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-04 01:00:00).

firing

Roden [6]:

mastina, Andresvmb, Klick, Ausuka, Malakittens, Ydrasse

Something_Smart [3]:

PenguinPower, Titus, Uncrowned

Titus [2]:

Roden, Lukewarm

Ausuka [2]:

fireisredsir, Vivax

RCEnigma [1]:

furtiveglance

not voting [3]:

jjh927, RCEnigma, Something_Smart

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[fireisredsir]

one issue i do have with luke ig is i don't understand the ausuka townread, i don't think the roden interaction is remotely clearing and besides that i don't think she's been very towny yet. the lampshading of "yes im playing differently, it's on purpose!" felt kinda off to me

I mean, this was in response to peta talking about my meta, can you elaborate on what exactly about it you find odd

off, not odd. the difference between your 534 and 702 was what stuck out to me, and then 704

like saying it's intentional but not giving a reason feels like you're implying it's more of an active strategic choice, but then later when you elaborate to someone else you give specific reasons that kinda more imply it's due to factors outside of your control? but then you follow it up with again sort of implying there's a strategic side to it. it feels like you're self-conscious of there being a difference in playstyle and wanting to make sure it's explained, but the mindset that you have in your different explanations doesn't feel consistent

and following this thread, i think now your 1419 is also weird, bc it's dismissing a read on you by framing the accusation as furtive not believing that you're genuinely busy with uni when... that's not the point at all, and when you talked about it earlier you didn't seem to be saying that was your only reason behind a playstyle difference. so to bring it up here as a response feels ???

[Titus]

@Titus sorry if I missed it but I'd like you to explain your Ircher read before the whole frozen thing?

Was weak based on VCA. I voted because I TRed the other two wagons and wanted to test a theory that scum were protecting Ircher.

[furtiveglance]

Andresmvb

Spoiler:

Andres is clean. 1049 is a pretty town post, but just check the ISO and you'll see plenty of town posting. Progression on Ydrasse and whiplash after Vivax claim looks natural (recalibrating reads etc). I will be truly wowed if Andres is mafia, it's nearly inconceivable to me at this point.

Uncrowned

Spoiler:

You dropped this my King :holds up crown: Really town, good reads, good questions. I don't usually like questions but the ones they ask seem pertinent and relevant. Won't change my mind for a while.

Lukewarm

Spoiler:

It's been mentioned but the interaction with Ircher should be seen as clearing. No need to overthink it.

Vivax

Spoiler:

There is a world in which Vivax smoked BBT as mafia to set up his vig claim, but it's not really worth entertaining at the moment and I think vig makes more sense. I wish his posts were more straightforward.

jjh927

Spoiler:

On D1 I found JJH one of the more interesting players in the game, and ended up at a townread. Since D2 started it's been mostly mech, which is boring. Interaction with Ircher doesn't really look paired, and I think the townread on Titus is +town after D1 when Titus was a potential wagon (not extremely likely though). I'd like to see where JJH ends up voting today, I might join if it's not me!

Klick

Spoiler:

I don't usually consider reasonable/sensible to be a towntell but Klick was like this as town in Open 859. I was initially sceptical of the crossing off thing but 1210 looks somewhat close to my own thoughts. I think 694 seems fairly towny as well.

Roden

Spoiler:

I've liked Roden's D2 more than his D1. Datisi definitely would include a 'Flirt' role, but it could easily be mafia. I just think if there are only 4 in the scumteam why hand them 2 useless abilities? Too weak. I also liked Roden's pushback on Ausuka, I think it looked towny. Roden's a townlean for me, I don't like some of his voters.

Titus

Spoiler:

Waiting for their catch up with interest, but I still think the way they pushed Ircher wasn't likely to be a bus. Early game I liked the way they made reads quite openly. Townlean.

Ydrasse

Spoiler:

I'm townleaning Ydrasse based on tone, but not as strongly as other people are. I don't think someone with this posting style ever deserves townlock status. Definitely one I could revise as the game continues.

Fireisredsir

Spoiler:

I mentioned in 562 I had trouble reading Fire in a previous game. I still agree with most of what I said in that post. Voting is definitely bad, especially 591 which puts emphasis on not opposing Ircher's elimination, yet votes a counter wagon. And now today Fire is still on Titus. I'm not a complete robot in terms of wagon analysis but I do think being a CW to scum should give you some towncred. I just haven't seen any acknowledgement of the Ircher scum flip and how that's afffected Fire's reads. However, tonally I'm townleaning Fire, the rambling/stream-of-consciousness nature of posts is similar to the Turing Test like I said earlier. It's a confusing one, voting is scum but posting town.

Mastina

Spoiler:

One big problem with this ISO is that the scumreads in 1106 (Roden, Lukewarm, Fire) are completely identical to the reads given on pages 1 and 2 (the only other scumread is Ircher). The other big problem is that Mastina's entire gameview seems to be based on 'I can't say rn, but I'm sure'. I'm kind of inferring a Masonry with JJH (sorry if this shouldn't be shared publicly, but I'm not reading hard between the lines here), and if that isn't the case then scum equity obviously is there, just for the level of confidence in reads. As ever this kind of loud, confident player is difficult to read. I do get the feeling Mastina will be sorted with time however, so I'm not too worried. For now, it's a weak townlean just for calling Ircher scum so early.

Something_Smart

Spoiler:

I liked the way they engaged with my vote on them. Pretty matter of fact, and made a couple of good points. I also think Mastina's locktown on them should be taken into account as it's not a scum/scum interaction, and if town Mastina could be right. I'm not saying a scum flip is impossible, but no longer feeling the vote.

PenguinPower

Spoiler:

I spectated a couple of PP's towngames and saw somewhat understated townplay, but this is taking the biscuit even for that standard. Andres has a point about the early wagons. Basically could be scum, only the vote on S_S is stopping me from voting PP.

Ausuka

Spoiler:

I've felt since early on this game that Ausuka has upped the meme/openwolf/casual posting style compared to Mini Normal 2279, and 534 just feels like a get-out clause. Yeah they said busy IRL but the post count isn't the difference (or not what I'm noticing anyway). 1012 bringing Petapan's voice to the fore could possibly explain that kill i.e. framekill Titus. 1033 is prescient but possible to speculate as town. 1281 et al struck me as LAMIST recently, and I do think Roden correctly finds Ausuka guilty of inconsistency regarding him and Mastina. Scumlean

Malakittens

Spoiler:

Leaning scum here. Voting D1 is bad (not Ircher), and 377 looks weird to an apparent scumread. I can see a bit of insecurity in 1017, like they need to enter pushing someone. Just haven't seen anything towny, shocked by the townreads from Klick and Lukewarm.

RCEnigma

Spoiler:

I've played in 2 Newbie games with scum!RC, never with town!RC I don't think. Pretty similar style to this game both times. I was townreading the early posting but it's dropped off since, and after Klick became more townread and RC dropped their beef he's looked a little apathetic(?) - see 1160. Definitely could be scum, and I'd like to see a wagon on RC soon.

VOTE: RCEnigma

I forgot about Uncrowned, Vivax and Ydrasse so I'll add them in now!

[Ausuka]

Um, I don't recall ever saying it's strategic at all, I said I signed up knowing that I wasn't going to wallpost or hyperpost this game, which is different to the recent meta people like peta have had on me during the summer holidays

And I mean furtive did explicitly say that he didn't believe that it was because of my IRL so I really do not have any idea what you're talking about

[Malakittens]

VOTE: roden

im like entirely checked out but i think this wagon looks Ok idk what roden's done this game

Oof

[Ausuka]

Like in what way does being busier not play into a casual playing style

That idea just doesn't make sense

[fireisredsir]

@Titus sorry if I missed it but I'd like you to explain your Ircher read before the whole frozen thing?

Was weak based on VCA. I voted because I TRed the other two wagons and wanted to test a theory that scum were protecting Ircher.

while we're on the topic, why did you lean town on ydrasse in that same post, 154? you said "based on how things have progressed so far"

[furtiveglance]

Like in what way does being busier not play into a casual playing style

That idea just doesn't make sense

You've been on though, and I haven't townread your posting.

[Vivax]

Like in what way does being busier not play into a casual playing style

That idea just doesn't make sense

Andresmvb

Spoiler:

Andres is clean. 1049 is a pretty town post, but just check the ISO and you'll see plenty of town posting. Progression on Ydrasse and whiplash after Vivax claim looks natural (recalibrating reads etc). I will be truly wowed if Andres is mafia, it's nearly inconceivable to me at this point.

Uncrowned

Spoiler:

You dropped this my King :holds up crown: Really town, good reads, good questions. I don't usually like questions but the ones they ask seem pertinent and relevant. Won't change my mind for a while.

Lukewarm

Spoiler:

It's been mentioned but the interaction with Ircher should be seen as clearing. No need to overthink it.

Vivax

Spoiler:

There is a world in which Vivax smoked BBT as mafia to set up his vig claim, but it's not really worth entertaining at the moment and I think vig makes more sense. I wish his posts were more straightforward.

jjh927

Spoiler:

On D1 I found JJH one of the more interesting players in the game, and ended up at a townread. Since D2 started it's been mostly mech, which is boring. Interaction with Ircher doesn't really look paired, and I think the townread on Titus is +town after D1 when Titus was a potential wagon (not extremely likely though). I'd like to see where JJH ends up voting today, I might join if it's not me!

Klick

Spoiler:

I don't usually consider reasonable/sensible to be a towntell but Klick was like this as town in Open 859. I was initially sceptical of the crossing off thing but 1210 looks somewhat close to my own thoughts. I think 694 seems fairly towny as well.

Roden

Spoiler:

I've liked Roden's D2 more than his D1. Datisi definitely would include a 'Flirt' role, but it could easily be mafia. I just think if there are only 4 in the scumteam why hand them 2 useless abilities? Too weak. I also liked Roden's pushback on Ausuka, I think it looked towny. Roden's a townlean for me, I don't like some of his voters.

Titus

Spoiler:

Waiting for their catch up with interest, but I still think the way they pushed Ircher wasn't likely to be a bus. Early game I liked the way they made reads quite openly. Townlean.

Ydrasse

Spoiler:

I'm townleaning Ydrasse based on tone, but not as strongly as other people are. I don't think someone with this posting style ever deserves townlock status. Definitely one I could revise as the game continues.

Fireisredsir

Spoiler:

I mentioned in 562 I had trouble reading Fire in a previous game. I still agree with most of what I said in that post. Voting is definitely bad, especially 591 which puts emphasis on not opposing Ircher's elimination, yet votes a counter wagon. And now today Fire is still on Titus. I'm not a complete robot in terms of wagon analysis but I do think being a CW to scum should give you some towncred. I just haven't seen any acknowledgement of the Ircher scum flip and how that's afffected Fire's reads. However, tonally I'm townleaning Fire, the rambling/stream-of-consciousness nature of posts is similar to the Turing Test like I said earlier. It's a confusing one, voting is scum but posting town.

Mastina

Spoiler:

One big problem with this ISO is that the scumreads in 1106 (Roden, Lukewarm, Fire) are completely identical to the reads given on pages 1 and 2 (the only other scumread is Ircher). The other big problem is that Mastina's entire gameview seems to be based on 'I can't say rn, but I'm sure'. I'm kind of inferring a Masonry with JJH (sorry if this shouldn't be shared publicly, but I'm not reading hard between the lines here), and if that isn't the case then scum equity obviously is there, just for the level of confidence in reads. As ever this kind of loud, confident player is difficult to read. I do get the feeling Mastina will be sorted with time however, so I'm not too worried. For now, it's a weak townlean just for calling Ircher scum so early.

Something_Smart

Spoiler:

I liked the way they engaged with my vote on them. Pretty matter of fact, and made a couple of good points. I also think Mastina's locktown on them should be taken into account as it's not a scum/scum interaction, and if town Mastina could be right. I'm not saying a scum flip is impossible, but no longer feeling the vote.

PenguinPower

Spoiler:

I spectated a couple of PP's towngames and saw somewhat understated townplay, but this is taking the biscuit even for that standard. Andres has a point about the early wagons. Basically could be scum, only the vote on S_S is stopping me from voting PP.

Ausuka

Spoiler:

I've felt since early on this game that Ausuka has upped the meme/openwolf/casual posting style compared to Mini Normal 2279, and 534 just feels like a get-out clause. Yeah they said busy IRL but the post count isn't the difference (or not what I'm noticing anyway). 1012 bringing Petapan's voice to the fore could possibly explain that kill i.e. framekill Titus. 1033 is prescient but possible to speculate as town. 1281 et al struck me as LAMIST recently, and I do think Roden correctly finds Ausuka guilty of inconsistency regarding him and Mastina. Scumlean

Malakittens

Spoiler:

Leaning scum here. Voting D1 is bad (not Ircher), and 377 looks weird to an apparent scumread. I can see a bit of insecurity in 1017, like they need to enter pushing someone. Just haven't seen anything towny, shocked by the townreads from Klick and Lukewarm.

RCEnigma

Spoiler:

I've played in 2 Newbie games with scum!RC, never with town!RC I don't think. Pretty similar style to this game both times. I was townreading the early posting but it's dropped off since, and after Klick became more townread and RC dropped their beef he's looked a little apathetic(?) - see 1160. Definitely could be scum, and I'd like to see a wagon on RC soon.

VOTE: RCEnigma

I forgot about Uncrowned, Vivax and Ydrasse so I'll add them in now!

No? You didn‘t?

Don‘t really see the point of Ausuka using time constraint as an excuse. Looks more like unwillingness to play into the game, similar to BBT

[fireisredsir]

Um, I don't recall ever saying it's strategic at all, I said I signed up knowing that I wasn't going to wallpost or hyperpost this game, which is different to the recent meta people like peta have had on me during the summer holidays

And I mean furtive did explicitly say that he didn't believe that it was because of my IRL so I really do not have any idea what you're talking about

Like in what way does being busier not play into a casual playing style

That idea just doesn't make sense

534 uses the word "intentional". which means you had intent. going from that to "im busier and the game is bigger" doesn't feel consistent at all to me

furtive never said he didn't believe you were busier? he said that he scumread the posting that you did have

being busier would probably lead to a more casual playstyle, yes, but he gave several reasons in that post and specifically said his scumread wasn't due to your activity level

[Ausuka]

@Titus sorry if I missed it but I'd like you to explain your Ircher read before the whole frozen thing?

Was weak based on VCA. I voted because I TRed the other two wagons and wanted to test a theory that scum were protecting Ircher.

I mean, this is fine and makes sense, but there seems to be a fairly lengthy gap between your original response to the argument in which you were like "dude's not town" and making the point about him being frozen? And I'm wondering why you were confident enough to say Ircher wasn't town at that time.

Also ugh I have been playing the game. There is a middle ground between the standard I'm being held to, which is lengthy analysis like the mini normal, and outright refusing to play. I'm busier, so I'm not going to play in the exact same way. That's all it is.

[furtiveglance]

Like in what way does being busier not play into a casual playing style

That idea just doesn't make sense

Andresmvb

Spoiler:

Andres is clean. 1049 is a pretty town post, but just check the ISO and you'll see plenty of town posting. Progression on Ydrasse and whiplash after Vivax claim looks natural (recalibrating reads etc). I will be truly wowed if Andres is mafia, it's nearly inconceivable to me at this point.

Uncrowned

Spoiler:

You dropped this my King :holds up crown: Really town, good reads, good questions. I don't usually like questions but the ones they ask seem pertinent and relevant. Won't change my mind for a while.

Lukewarm

Spoiler:

It's been mentioned but the interaction with Ircher should be seen as clearing. No need to overthink it.

Vivax

Spoiler:

There is a world in which Vivax smoked BBT as mafia to set up his vig claim, but it's not really worth entertaining at the moment and I think vig makes more sense. I wish his posts were more straightforward.

jjh927

Spoiler:

On D1 I found JJH one of the more interesting players in the game, and ended up at a townread. Since D2 started it's been mostly mech, which is boring. Interaction with Ircher doesn't really look paired, and I think the townread on Titus is +town after D1 when Titus was a potential wagon (not extremely likely though). I'd like to see where JJH ends up voting today, I might join if it's not me!

Klick

Spoiler:

I don't usually consider reasonable/sensible to be a towntell but Klick was like this as town in Open 859. I was initially sceptical of the crossing off thing but 1210 looks somewhat close to my own thoughts. I think 694 seems fairly towny as well.

Roden

Spoiler:

I've liked Roden's D2 more than his D1. Datisi definitely would include a 'Flirt' role, but it could easily be mafia. I just think if there are only 4 in the scumteam why hand them 2 useless abilities? Too weak. I also liked Roden's pushback on Ausuka, I think it looked towny. Roden's a townlean for me, I don't like some of his voters.

Titus

Spoiler:

Waiting for their catch up with interest, but I still think the way they pushed Ircher wasn't likely to be a bus. Early game I liked the way they made reads quite openly. Townlean.

Ydrasse

Spoiler:

I'm townleaning Ydrasse based on tone, but not as strongly as other people are. I don't think someone with this posting style ever deserves townlock status. Definitely one I could revise as the game continues.

Fireisredsir

Spoiler:

I mentioned in 562 I had trouble reading Fire in a previous game. I still agree with most of what I said in that post. Voting is definitely bad, especially 591 which puts emphasis on not opposing Ircher's elimination, yet votes a counter wagon. And now today Fire is still on Titus. I'm not a complete robot in terms of wagon analysis but I do think being a CW to scum should give you some towncred. I just haven't seen any acknowledgement of the Ircher scum flip and how that's afffected Fire's reads. However, tonally I'm townleaning Fire, the rambling/stream-of-consciousness nature of posts is similar to the Turing Test like I said earlier. It's a confusing one, voting is scum but posting town.

Mastina

Spoiler:

One big problem with this ISO is that the scumreads in 1106 (Roden, Lukewarm, Fire) are completely identical to the reads given on pages 1 and 2 (the only other scumread is Ircher). The other big problem is that Mastina's entire gameview seems to be based on 'I can't say rn, but I'm sure'. I'm kind of inferring a Masonry with JJH (sorry if this shouldn't be shared publicly, but I'm not reading hard between the lines here), and if that isn't the case then scum equity obviously is there, just for the level of confidence in reads. As ever this kind of loud, confident player is difficult to read. I do get the feeling Mastina will be sorted with time however, so I'm not too worried. For now, it's a weak townlean just for calling Ircher scum so early.

Something_Smart

Spoiler:

I liked the way they engaged with my vote on them. Pretty matter of fact, and made a couple of good points. I also think Mastina's locktown on them should be taken into account as it's not a scum/scum interaction, and if town Mastina could be right. I'm not saying a scum flip is impossible, but no longer feeling the vote.

PenguinPower

Spoiler:

I spectated a couple of PP's towngames and saw somewhat understated townplay, but this is taking the biscuit even for that standard. Andres has a point about the early wagons. Basically could be scum, only the vote on S_S is stopping me from voting PP.

Ausuka

Spoiler:

I've felt since early on this game that Ausuka has upped the meme/openwolf/casual posting style compared to Mini Normal 2279, and 534 just feels like a get-out clause. Yeah they said busy IRL but the post count isn't the difference (or not what I'm noticing anyway). 1012 bringing Petapan's voice to the fore could possibly explain that kill i.e. framekill Titus. 1033 is prescient but possible to speculate as town. 1281 et al struck me as LAMIST recently, and I do think Roden correctly finds Ausuka guilty of inconsistency regarding him and Mastina. Scumlean

Malakittens

Spoiler:

Leaning scum here. Voting D1 is bad (not Ircher), and 377 looks weird to an apparent scumread. I can see a bit of insecurity in 1017, like they need to enter pushing someone. Just haven't seen anything towny, shocked by the townreads from Klick and Lukewarm.

RCEnigma

Spoiler:

I've played in 2 Newbie games with scum!RC, never with town!RC I don't think. Pretty similar style to this game both times. I was townreading the early posting but it's dropped off since, and after Klick became more townread and RC dropped their beef he's looked a little apathetic(?) - see 1160. Definitely could be scum, and I'd like to see a wagon on RC soon.

VOTE: RCEnigma

I forgot about Uncrowned, Vivax and Ydrasse so I'll add them in now!

No? You didn‘t?

Don‘t really see the point of Ausuka using time constraint as an excuse. Looks more like unwillingness to play into the game, similar to BBT

I did forget, and I put them into the original post so they have a place in the list.

[Ausuka]

534 uses the word "intentional". which means you had intent. going from that to "im busier and the game is bigger" doesn't feel consistent at all to me

I mean it is intentional. I am intentionally not putting as much time into mafia to fit my schedule better

[Vivax]

I kinda dislike all wagons tbh
Any ideas on who would be more prone to killing a peta+nero combo? You know each other better after all

[fireisredsir]

534 uses the word "intentional". which means you had intent. going from that to "im busier and the game is bigger" doesn't feel consistent at all to me

I mean it is intentional. I am intentionally not putting as much time into mafia to fit my schedule better

mmm i dunno i just don't really buy that you phrase it that way if that's what you mean

like why be coy about it

[furtiveglance]

534 uses the word "intentional". which means you had intent. going from that to "im busier and the game is bigger" doesn't feel consistent at all to me

I mean it is intentional. I am intentionally not putting as much time into mafia to fit my schedule better

mmm i dunno i just don't really buy that you phrase it that way if that's what you mean

like why be coy about it

Coy again, that's twice in one game!

Vivax join my RC wagon

[Vivax]

534 uses the word "intentional". which means you had intent. going from that to "im busier and the game is bigger" doesn't feel consistent at all to me

I mean it is intentional. I am intentionally not putting as much time into mafia to fit my schedule better

mmm i dunno i just don't really buy that you phrase it that way if that's what you mean

like why be coy about it

Coy again, that's twice in one game!

Vivax join my RC wagon

Don‘t know why, but I trust you since you adress me. And you have beautiful posts tbh

VOTE: RCEnigma

[Ausuka]

534 uses the word "intentional". which means you had intent. going from that to "im busier and the game is bigger" doesn't feel consistent at all to me

I mean it is intentional. I am intentionally not putting as much time into mafia to fit my schedule better

mmm i dunno i just don't really buy that you phrase it that way if that's what you mean

like why be coy about it

Are you suggesting that as mafia I had a plan to claim I am strategically playing worse but then went back on it? I'm sure I'm misrepresenting it somehow but that seems like what you're suggesting here

[fireisredsir]

i think that you phrased it that way to make peta back off and it worked, and now that he's gone you don't have any issues walking it back

[Ausuka]

I mean you linked to posts from day 1 which you claimed showed that I was walking it back so that doesn't seem like what you actually believe?

[Vivax]

yeah so basically what I think vivax is trying to do is

trying to have fun in a party game, allegedly. Or finding out if there‘s anyone who can actually replicate my insanity in texts
So far I haven‘t met other LSDs of mafia

[fireisredsir]

I mean you linked to posts from day 1 which you claimed showed that I was walking it back so that doesn't seem like what you actually believe?

providing additional reasons for why you would be playing differently, while it did draw my attention to you seeming to not have a consistent mindset, is v different than walking the original statement back completely and saying that you were in no way intending to imply that you were playing differently for strategic reasons

and im p sure if you had done that d1 then peta would have jumped on you for it

[Ausuka]

I mean you linked to posts from day 1 which you claimed showed that I was walking it back so that doesn't seem like what you actually believe?

providing additional reasons for why you would be playing differently, while it did draw my attention to you seeming to not have a consistent mindset, is v different than walking the original statement back completely and saying that you were in no way intending to imply that you were playing differently for strategic reasons

and im p sure if you had done that d1 then peta would have jumped on you for it

except I never said that and obviously saying that I'm busier is basically the same thing as what I'm saying now so ???

It really feels like you're making this up. I understand why someone would be suspicious of me in a vacuum but this argument feels like you started at the premise "ausuka is scum" and then made up reasoning to reach that viewpoint. Like, why would I use different strategies for targeting peta - someone I have never even played with outside marathon games - than anyone else???

[Vivax]

yeah so basically what I think vivax is trying to do is

trying to have fun in a party game, allegedly. Or finding out if there‘s anyone who can actually replicate my insanity in texts
So far I haven‘t met other LSDs of mafia

Oh and getting scum, or finding out who the source of anomalies is from a while ago.
I have a good feeling about following FG here, also from previous RC stuff looking sketchy