Lemming Mafia - Mini 1196

[Chuji Kunisada]

PF

thanks to the hammer role my vote doesn't count unless its a hammer.

Mal+SD+

CK

=2

[farside22]

Mission cards:

malpascp (picked Jackhammer)
me=weird (Bookie)
TOGTFO (picked Cement)
Shadow Dancer (Picked thief)
Llamafluff (picked limo)
Chuji Kunisada (picked Concrete Mixer)

Vote Count:

Chuji (2) Llamafluff, Me=weird
No lynch (2) TOGFO, shadow, chuji
Llamafluff (1) malpascp

Not Voting (2):

It takes 4 to lynch before deadline.

Deadline September 6, 6:00pm PST

Deadline Extension Vote:

Extension: Chuji, Llama and TOGFO
no extension: Me=weird, Shadow, malpascp
Needs 4 for an extension.

I'm going with my normal rule on ties with leaning votes leading on one player. No lynch occurs. I will be sending out missions shortly

[farside22]

All missions have been sent.
You have 3 days from this post to send in any night actions.

[farside22]

I had some computer problems these past 2 days. I will have day 5 up in the morning.

[farside22]

The morning comes but with deadly results. TOGFO was found dead this morning.
He had some a bucket in his hands with ruminants of dried cement.
The town mourns one more is dead.

TOGFO - Yellow Lemming - VT

with 5 alive it will take 3 to lynch.
Deadline is 2 weeks from this post

Mission Cards

:

Jackhammer
Limo
Concrete Mixer
Pier
Bomb

Picking order:

malpascp
Llamafluff
Me=Weird
Shadow Dancer
Chuji Kunisada

[malpascp]

Can I say "I told you so"?

[LlamaFluff]

M=W should get RB I think and claim his target. That way if scum want to kill and are not the target they are clearing somebody.

I lean a Malp lynch here since I think its the only one I can get SD to agree with me on, if he wants to lynch CK I am 100% for that still since it still has to be him.

I want to toss the new role.

[malpascp]

New role goes to SD. Period.

I didn't get if TOG was killed by the usual way or by the cement. It would be nice to have a traget-claim here.

I'm all for Llama today.

[malpascp]

New role goes to SD. Period.

I didn't get if TOG was killed by the usual way or by the cement. It would be nice to have a traget-claim here.

I'm all for Llama today.

[Chuji Kunisada]

Why does it have to be me, llama? IIRC, my suspicion derived from Mew not roleblocking and killing me (which is derived from no kill N1). Since Tog is confirmed town, and he protected me, the reason for no kill N1 is reasonably because I was protected. I'm thinking scum team is llama-mal, far ahead of llama-mew, then even farther mal-mew. Of course, those who still think I am scum, would put my partner as Mal. I wouldn't be too opposed to that (highest scum read is llama, so would prefer him).

Again, I think Shadow should decide who gets what roles. My suggestion is that bomb should not be given to the person lynched (unlike llama, I'd prefer if the bomb (in the classical sense) not go off and kill the hammerer :p). If we lynch correctly, there will be only 1 scum. Therefore, the bomb should go to most likely town (behind roleblocker) and that person should not use the ability, no matter what (again, I defer to shadow).

Concerning mal's last post- I didn't block tog, nor would I have reason to. If it was cement related, then it doesn't make sense as TOG has been blocked, like 0 times before.

[LlamaFluff]

Ok, so why Malp is scum.

1) Either one of M=W and CK has to be scum at this point by virtue of SD being town, as they cannot be scum together.
2) Malp is forced scum due to this.

Malp is going to argue that its me and M=W, CK is going to back that up, meaning that its going to come down to SD, which WIFOM points to it being CK-Malp again since TOG showed complete willingness to vote CK over me.

For more concrete reasons, look at the way Malp responded to the N1 results.

He had

1) He targeted Tazaro
2) M=W targeted CK

As a result of this, he decides that the best spot for his vote is M=W. I do not see this coming from town, thinking that the someone is lying instead of someone that was blocked. I cannot see town Malp attacking the other roleblocker as opposed to what is forced to town, that either Tazaro or CK is scum who got blocked. I can see Malp-scum trying to chain in a third lynch, specifically M=W, before CK, as the CK-scum flip means that M=W is essenitally clear.

Occamz razor also says that its Malp and CK.

What roles were out there N1?

Me - Double Vote
M=W - Roleblock
Malp - Roleblock
CK - Neighbor
with
Mike - Bus Driver

Now, as scum who is going to submit the kill? Seriously. Who is going to submit the kill?

If you think anyone but the double voter or neighbor, you need to go back to page one of basic theory. M=W DID block CK N1. I will be anything on this fact. Scum would never give up an active role to make a kill N1, ever.

Then you have to ask what makes the most sense for N1 actions

I kill CK
M=W blocks CK

or

CK kills ???
M=W blocks CK
Malp blocks Tazaro

Second one. All the way.

Malp freaks out after the CK-blocked claim and attacks his blocker instead of one of the blocked players.
CK and I are the only ones who really would have made a kill

Still if you ALSO think that I would ever allow scum to kill and RB the same person, I am actually insulted. The scum team would have been M=W and Mike if I am scum, I would have come in and completely taken over the actions for that one, no way that the RB and kill would be on the same person, especially as me as scum would believe that nearly everyone had an active role.

Vote Malp

CK can go tomorrow. Or today. That is the team though.

[Battousai]

Llama- So you are saying scum team can't be you and mal (from third person PoV)? Why? You seem to be defending yourself by linking yourself to mew (whom you've keep pushing as town) which in turns, would make you look like town. Start linking yourself to Mal (as I've said before, you are more likely scum with mal).

[Chuji Kunisada]

Llama- So you are saying scum team can't be you and mal (from third person PoV)? Why? You seem to be defending yourself by linking yourself to mew (whom you've keep pushing as town) which in turns, would make you look like town. Start linking yourself to Mal (as I've said before, you are more likely scum with mal).

Sorry, multi-task fail.

[LlamaFluff]

Llama- So you are saying scum team can't be you and mal (from third person PoV)? Why? You seem to be defending yourself by linking yourself to mew (whom you've keep pushing as town) which in turns, would make you look like town. Start linking yourself to Mal (as I've said before, you are more likely scum with mal).

Sorry, multi-task fail.

What?

Showing M=W is town is the best way I can get scum lynched, so thats what im going to be doing here.

I can give you WIFOM if you want that, since killing TOG forces Malp-scum as I already said, and leaving TOG alive increases the chance of you being lynched. So I wouldn't have made that move as scum with Malp, would hurt my win chances.

Whoever gets jackhammer needs to target M=W tonight though, I don't for a second believe that Malp used it on M=W.

[Shadow Dancer]

Can I say "I told you so"?

No,

you

can't. And I won't because it is absolutely unhelpful... Things are bad enough right now.

[Shadow Dancer]

I don't really care who get's which roles because another mislynch obviously means we lose.

However, bomb is new, but it seems pretty obvious what it does, and if it doesn't it doesn't matter because every one would still have to assume it's a bomb, possibly also working as a supersaint...
So best play seems that I get the bomb, if some one else picks it away we treat that as a scum claim and lynch that person, forcing the second scummiest person to hammer. If elected hammerer refuses we lynch him instead. I think we can comromise on giving the last roleblock to M=W and have him block whoever of llama/chuji survives the day...
We could just give the bomb to one of them and make malp hammer or the other way around, but we do not know for sure whether it really works as a bomb role, has supersaint qualities or wheter it would take effect today or only tomorrow, so I do not really want to have a plan revolve around abusing any bomb mechanics. It's just as a backup in case some one goes all mikeII...

[Shadow Dancer]

Pier is a vanilla role, previously occupied by Taz...

[Shadow Dancer]

I will go into further discussion after Chuji has claimed his role block target.

[Me=Weird]

Bit busy, so just a quick post right now.
mal's question about tog maybe dying by role block is idiotic as he wasn't targeted by it before and the flavor says he was carrying a bucket. Possibly an attempt to say that scum didn't kill, to divert attention to whoever CK blocked? Depending of course on whether ck actually is scum.
llama: If I get the rb, nobody needs to jackhammer me as there's only one rb left so I wouldn't be in danger.
I say we lynch mal as he's the only one we could all possibly agree on.
Chuji, please claim your target. No reason not to.
Suggested action plan(subject to change):
llama-Jackhammer
mal-Limo
me-Concrete Mixer
CK-Pier
SD-Bomb

I think whoever we lynch should pick limo as SD's getting bomb. Limo could be too dangerous in scum hands and the only one everyone thinks is town is SD.

[Chuji Kunisada]

I blocked Mal. I said I would block llama (and mew was to block me) to try and get mal to submit the kill. Instead he probably tried to unblock llama and llama submitted the kill.

I say we give mal the bomb. I'll hammer him. If mal is town, we already lost at the lynch, so this is based on mal being scum. We lynch mal, and I'll hammer. If I'm scum (I'm not) town should win. If I'm town (and I am), scum is llama and we win then (by having the roleblocker block him). Now if the bomb isn't going to kill the hammerer, no harm. Just to be safe, I say SD shouldn't be on the bomb wagon (in case it is more vengeful than bomb-y).

So roles could be:
llama- Pier
mal- bomb
Mew- limo
CK- Jackhammer
SD- concrete mixer

One of the roles I'm concerned with is jackhammer. Poro-slot had it, but didnt' say what it was. Only mal-llama has had it since then. The reason I'm concerned is that it could be a passive ability (person can't be blocked) or if there is only 1 scum, scum can kill AND use an ability (unblock self, kill). I gave it to myself, above, because I'm not sure if you guys would want me to have jackhammer or limo (obviously not concrete). If I die by hammering, jackhammer is out of play (which is main reason I want it over limo to be destroyed, as jackhammer is more important to scum)

[Shadow Dancer]

Whom was TOG gonna block then? llama? Chuji? mal, too?
I would be surprised if bomb would actually work today already if one picks it now... But I have no objections to eliminating that obnoxious thing anyway... However, I think the best solution would still be that I pick the bomb or else that I pick the limo.

[malpascp]

My idea is:

SD: bomb
M=W:roleblock

M=W roleblocks someone from {me, CK, Llama} (one of these is lynched)

I don't know what role should be given to whoever gets lynched.

I didn't like CK's multiple role-assumptions.

[LlamaFluff]

I could go along with what CK said here.

[Shadow Dancer]

Just thinking... Wouldn't it be safer to give limo to me and the concrete to m=w?
Alternatively I take the bomb (if it is a bomb it's passive and cannot be blocked... if it's not a bomb - dare and try?), M=W the limo (least likely scum in public opinion, also takes priority over every other action) and jackhammer and concrete and jackhammer go to llama and chuji... Pier is eleiminted, assuming we lynch mal, if we lynch some one else using the role block against him still looks like a decent idea to me.

[Chuji Kunisada]

Jackhammer should be eliminated, not pier. If scum can use an ability and kill when the team is down to 1, roleblock is useless/harmful (harmful in the sense it takes away a town power if the roleblock is used on town).

I don't like your alternative plan, as it will be concrete or jackhammer going to scum (thus scum get free kill).

Since llama agrees with my plan, and one of us is most likely scum, would you two (shadow and mew) agree to it?


Alternatively, we could lynch llama as mal is willing, I'm willing, and it's up to shadow on that one.




So to rephrase questions:

Shadow, Mew- Would you agree with the plan I put forward where I hammer the bomb?

Shadow- Would you be willing to lynch llama over mal today?