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(I'm sleep deprived and will go to sleep after this post. Cya!)

bye gifffff

That was a serious request.

In post 1453, Sound of Silence wrote:That was a serious request.

I know! Unfortunately, it is the type of request that takes time so let me troll around a bit while waiting for PMs and yell at me to do protown things in the morning.

Cabd

Lets say you have a vig shot

Who do you shoot now and why

In post 1455, notscience wrote:Cabd

Lets say you have a vig shot

Who do you shoot now and why

Dude stop revealing my role to everyone. We all know I have to wait till night to shoot rach and clear all the shit up.

I'd shoot nacho but mollie/ffery etc can handle him. Although if we flip andyscum today I'll be shooting for the cheesy goodness that is nacho.

In post 1428, Malakittens wrote:

In post 1426, thezmon221 wrote:

In post 1425, RachMarie wrote:I admit I had not really read much of the past 20 pages since page 36 I was busy trying to get a preliminary reads list out, got tired of peeps calling me useless

You can fix that by actually reading the posts and creating reads that don't look like you slapped them together in about 2 minutes. There is literally no depth of your reads here, and I see absolutely no effort from you.

for the love of everything.

SHE DOES THIS AS EITHER ALIGNMENT.

Everyone is calling her scum and pushing her for being useless, but her reads really don't develop until later.

Have you done a meta check on her?

>.>

In post 1431, Malakittens wrote:^ Yeah you are just PL'ing her for being useless.

Honestly. He writes up a long case, well longer than needed for Rach's play at this point, and the only thing you get is "Useless"? Tell me about how Rach ISN'T your scumbuddy. Let's see if we got a correlation here. Rach first, you second? "This" is a very general statment. Has shallow reads on either alignment? Last game, I felt she was actively trying to troll the town. So there are obviously differences when I've simply ignored her because she's such a nonfactor.



Thezmon is town, by far. You 'grilling' him was so useless, even that was defense of a scumbuddy. So after we flip Rach, her scum flip incriminates you, and your scum flip verifies FTL as town. 2 scum and a second verified town.

Skimmed the last few pages, more later but

@Rach,

Could you compile your current reads into 3 categories (town, null, scum)? You can add null-town or null-scum as categories if you want.

I ask this because it's very hard to actually tell what your reads are and Andrius was the only one I saw you actually call scum (and that was just a "leaning" read because something apparently felt "off"). Did I miss something?

As for my games, it's been a long time since I've played a game, so I'm not exactly sure how useful meta research on me is going to be. Do you honestly have no opinion of my play? Would you even know what to look for to judge me based on "meta"?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... &sr=topics

It's probably difficult to find games I didn't replace into (since I preferred doing that over joining games from the beginning) and I have never drawn scum in a Large game (normal or theme) before. Go ahead and tell me what you find.

Also how much of this game have you actually read?

OK, no looks like I missed the scum read on Desperado, too.

This is what I gather from compiling my own list

Aj weak town
Andrius leaning scum
BnB town
BRO weak town
Desperado weak scum
FTL nullish - scummy MS (?) and town Var
Ghostlin feeling town?
Mac leaning town
mastin2 ???
nacho leaning town
thezmon probably town
malakittens null?
nick leaning town
skullduggery nullish
SoS most likely town
TD ???
TrustFund weak town
Venmar leaning town
Muffin ???

So...

Town: BnB, SoS?, thezmon
Leaning town: Ghostlin?, Mac, nacho, nick, Venmar
Weak town: Aj, BRO, TrustFund
Null: FTL, skullduggery, malakittens?
Weak scum: Desperado
Leaning scum: Andrius
???: mastin, TD, muffin

varsoon still has not posted his list

he must be busy

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Andy

I can see where people are coming from wrt to the differences between Andy here and xeno and I think we need to hear more from him in that aspect.

and also nacho why aren't you doing anything substantial?

In post 1370, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote: is the v broken on your computer cos I don't see a vote

Lol

In post 1377, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:this makes me so hot and bothered...

In post 1377, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:...for an andy lynch

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Updating my reads list.

In post 1370, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote: is the v broken on your computer cos I don't see a vote

Lol

In post 1377, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:this makes me so hot and bothered...

In post 1377, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:...for an andy lynch

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Updating my reads list.

{FTL, nickthename, Mastin, Andi, AJ}
{Ghost, Mac, NS, SOS, TD, TF, Venmar, Thez, Nacho, Muffin, Desp, Mala, Rach}
{BRO, Skull}

Question for anyone calling RM town: Why?

If it's based on shitty "meta" reasons, then describe at least one (preferably more than one) difference between her scum and town play, and why you think this is her town play rather than her scum play.

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In post 1402, Desperado wrote:

In post 1401, RachMarie wrote:Look again I have Andy as leaning scum

Seriously Des what will you do

if

I flip town? Who will you look at then?

I admitted my reads suck, but it is early. A lot of the pages here really are more noise than signal which means it takes a while to sort out the wheat from the chaff duh.

I rely a lot on Meta especially if I have not played a bunch of games with someone, which is why I was asking for links so I can skim through and see if I can get a better handle on some of the other players.

You have him as leaning scum but then you ask for him to provide meta (that's already been provided)

So were you just not going to read those games or what? I took that to mean your interpretation was still open.

@bolded slipslipslipslip

But seriously if you flip town I'll do the same thing I did every other time I mislynched town--forget about it and keep looking for scum.

Going to tell you something honestly, Desp, and this is only because I want to get this deeply embedded in this site's meta: Scumslips are At least 90% of the time they end up lynching a target that town doesn't intend because it's like driving a fucking automatic once one is 'found', everyone, including the scum, rides the slip.

I think Rach probably is scum, because she crapped up the thread Day 1 on the first Xenosaga, and she's crapping it up harder now, but this...isn't the reason why, and the fact you used scumslip is part of your reasoning is superfuckingbadhorrible and you should feel superfuckingbad horrible.

[4] mastin2 (Venmar, BROseidon, nickthename, Skullduggery): I just want to note this here for later. It's relevance I promise you will pay dividends to this town.

TF, my biggest problem with you eariler is you let Skull jump on the mastin lynch, and praised them for being probably the laziest scum hunting/trying to look town by asking 'questions' in 2013. God, I want to jump on a Skull lynch right now. Since I'm slightly iffy on Mala right now:



God, that's like smoking a cigarette.



...sadly I would support either of these lynches for the above reasons right the hell now.

Shooting NS is stupid. I think I read something discussing this in this thread. You don't waste bullets on Townies and the vig shot is not the new PL to avoid someone undesirable in LYLO. I've also read we should give credence to everything NS says because he's conf-Town. He's conf-Town, kids, not Jesus, and I think you've got the two confused slightly. In fact, that crap logic is like inception level scummy, and I might have to check who the fuck said that.

...Oh, it's Mala. [/notsurprised]

Desp, you said you had AtE of horrific levels instance in C&H re: Varshoon? Mind linking me to that?

Reading Venmar's ISO gives me a woobbly sort of the feeling, like the kind where something's wrong. It might be the lazy mode, tho'.

I could get behind that vote, too, but I imagine it will be even harder to push through than the RM lynch.

I would personally like to see RM expand more on her reads, but that's probably a big ask, so I at least want to see her expand more on the people below...

Andrius: "but his play just does not feel right here leaning scum" <- EXPAND on this
Desperado: "Confirmation Bias much there Des? Seriously dude have you even read any of my town games, weak scum read here." <- Why is Desperado scum for this? I've probably been pushing for you harder than Desperado, and for longer too, and for much the same reasons. Besides, confirmation bias is something have - I assume you mean his tunneling is scummy? If so, why? What about his points (or mine) aren't legitimate?
FTL: "nullish due to I see scummy MS and towny Var" <- Please explain the scummy MS part at least.
thezmon: "However his tunneling looks more town tunneling than scum tunneling." <- what is the difference here that makes Desperado scum and thezmon town?
zMuffinMan: How do you have no read on me based on my content and how do you expect to discern my town and scum game if you don't already have an opinion of my play?

The biggest issue I have with #1381 (outside of the fact that the reasons for almost all of these reads are weak at best, and the scum reads are especially odd in this regard) is that it looks like her reads were manufactured so as not to go against the grain at all. This is why I want to know how much of the thread RM has actually read and what she's currently basing her reads on.

I'm not exactly sure what I expected from RM-town in terms of reads, but the reads and explanations she ended up giving are in line with what I did expet from RM-scum.


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RM wrote:I rely a lot on Meta especially if I have not played a bunch of games with someone, which is why I was asking for links so I can skim through and see if I can get a better handle on some of the other players.

Other than the fact that I think meta arguments are ridiculously stupid because 99% of players who look at "meta" generally have no clue what to look for, I'm not sure how exactly you think you'll be able to discern scum play from town play just from skimming through a bunch of games.

mala wrote:Everyone is calling her scum and pushing her for being useless, but her reads really don't develop until later.

No. This isn't why anyone thinks she's scum (at least not as far as I can tell). It literally has nothing to do with how "useful" she's been. You're grossly understating the reasons people think she's scum.

ghost wrote:the fact you used scumslip is part of your reasoning is superfuckingbadhorrible and you should feel superfuckingbad horrible.

To be fair, it isn't part of the reason Desperado is pushing for the RM lynch, and I also read it as a weird thing for RM-town to say when I first read it. But I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt here and assume she meant "if I get lynched" rather than that being a slip.

But I mostly agree with your opinion on slips, and it's why I think the mastin "5 scum" stuff was borderline retarded. There are some times when I think you can legitimately argue that a person was not thinking with a town mindset, but they are few and far between.

ghost wrote:...sadly I would support either of these lynches for the above reasons right the hell now.

So, like I said in #1468, I can get behind the skullduggery vote, but I don't really see what you're hoping to accomplish with this vote. You apparently think RM is scum, and you said you'd be willing to vote either Andy (another leading wagon) or nacho (who many others apparently think is scum). Why skullduggery?

In post 1396, thezmon221 wrote:

In post 1392, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 1391, notscience wrote:What about Thez is pinging your scumdar? How he shifted from "vigpls" to "he isn't THAT bad" towards me?

I honestly don't remember that switch if so, thez gets triple points.

the timing. and his reluctance to vote andy but he was gung ho about sheeping us onto a nicky lynch.

Mollie, I made that switch a while ago. Post 712 is when I had a change of heart and didn’t want him vigged (though did not announce it). Post 939 is when I publicly displayed that I am alright with him being alive.

Furthermore, you are misrepping me hard. I changed my vote to nick because you guys did too, but that was after a realization that a FTL wagon was stalling, and FTL was starting, a bit, to show that he might be town to (FTR, I think he’s probs town). I did not, in any way, sheep your read, only the vote because it was a smoother transition. I had my own read on him, and felt he was scum all throughout the process. I put my vote on him due to the stall, and that is why I have changed it again. Notice this:

In post 766, thezmon221 wrote:Speaking of that, let it be heard that I'm completely okay with lynching either RachMarie or nickthename if either wagon progresses a decent amount.

I changed my vote for exactly as I publicly stated in this quote – because the nick wagon was progressing.

okay, I apologising for misrepping you, I know I hate it when it is done to me. I guess when I said "read" I meant vote. I don't see much of a difference but I understand that some people are more particular about word choice (and for good reason especially if you feel you are being painted in a bad light).

and then the posts in xenogears grinded to a halt on D1


and the world stopped.


in other news varsoon wake up!!!! i am so excited

Now about that readlist...

Ghostlin wrote:Shooting NS is stupid. I think I read something discussing this in this thread. You don't waste bullets on Townies and the vig shot is not the new PL to avoid someone undesirable in LYLO. I've also read we should give credence to everything NS says because he's conf-Town. He's conf-Town, kids, not Jesus, and I think you've got the two confused slightly. In fact, that crap logic is like inception level scummy, and I might have to check who the fuck said that.

Wait ppl are still discussing if NS should be vigged?

and the world started moving again...


notice that varsoon has not posted ever since i last posted

obviously he doesnt have the reads list ready yet

i havent even seen it