Midsummer Night's Revelry - [Game Over]

[Firebringer]

Maybe she just isn't into you my dude

[Priscila]

Considering the change of heart comes right after 1354 I can surmise that you dislike my choice to leave key out, and that's solely why you've changed your mind here. Do you think there are better reasons to have wanted to leave someone else out? If so, who should I have considered and why? Did you find my analysis in 1354 flawed, incorrect, or duplicitous? If so, how so?

No, although the way you treated Key slot was sketchy. I think that your posts are empty and you are just playing the tune people want to hear. I didn't realize until 1354 and then your proposal to Hebichan was just incredibly scummy.

[Priscila]

When is deadline?

[Priscila]

We still have 2 days, no?

[Cabd]

Since the post opening the game: 5 days 13 hours 14 minutes 13 seconds ago



(expired on 2017-07-30 08:58:49)
Remaining; and I adjusted that slightly so when it expires there's a few minutes left. That's a live timer.

[Priscila]

I feel completely unable to articulate myself right now, but essentially what I see in ActionDan is empty reasoning. He talks about me and Penguin in 608 but the there is nothing underneath the surface of his townreads on us - they are thin and propped up by what amounts to theory talk and poetry. The behavior he is reading into is pretty null but he's making it a townread. He is not talking through his reads, he is not looking into the players - he is just reciting pre-formed ideas about why they could be a certain alignment and making his read fit to that. Like in 957 he talks about dunn/mariar and it is just empty words that he does nothing with. Then he talks about Key and it is like, he is just forcing Key's behavior in a certain way and not even trying to make a read or understand Key, he doesn't even scumread them he just wants them to be left out. His proposal to Hebichan was scummy because it was like he always knew he was going to make it but he made a show of being unsure and trying to think through the benefits and disadvantages and his preference and such.

Idk I am not in the mental state for mafia these days.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

If Vecna proposes to Hebi and she accepts I'm accepting Keyen ftr

i'm on a mental upswing rn and i dont want to be cut out of this game early if priscila is just going to suicide bomb me

if she's willing to let me do shit this game though without cutting me short though i can accept her

Out of the remaining gentleman, I want to leave Key out. I don't find him explicitly scummy per se, but between posts 977 and 1350 the thoughts expressed are all tripping over each other. Examples abound: in 977 Key is convinced Dunn and MariaR slots are town but still casts doubt by both quoting a post of Dunn's to question its intent and also abdicating some responsibility for the read by wanting them to sort it out in the Pt; The read on Cabd meanders throughout both posts from scummy to maybe town to scummy again with the only new input being a scum read on A2 and an associative tell based on that which is not a sound one in any case; the scum read on A2 itself supposedly comes from the fact Key hadn't developed a town read on the slot but it's quite clear that it's pushback from A2 not town reading Key first and deciding that he should be the one to go.

to me this strikes me as his thoughts flowing naturally - like he's calling things out as he reads them and obviously he's not going to have a consistent narrative if his thoughts are formed from an uninformed standpoint

i dont see how pushback from A2 directly translates to a scumread? like obviously both exist but im not seeing the causal link between the two here

GBT, with regard to your observation in post 610 it's quite reasonable to raise eyebrows at. I did too. I think it was the only thing, or at least, the only somewhat important thing, I disagreed with in P_A's posts. I didn't make the jump to considering that scummy though and in the context of my overall holistic read I've compartmentalized it as a minor blot on her posting record.

it at least made me want to reconsider how i viewed the rest of her analysis though - like reading someone isn't just a linear (oh, this post is townie but this is scummy. overall it's a 5 on the town scale when you add them up) sort of thing. have you, yourself, looked at her posts through a scum lens?

i understand people scumhunt differently but in a game about finding suspicions and acting on them i dont understand the thought process of finding one thing weird and letting the rest of it pass

also 0 clue why people gave this post towncred

pedit: pris yeah thats the impression im getting with dan so far but i dont see the tactical purpose of pairing with the IC as scum which is whats making sorting him difficult for me

[Priscila]

i'm on a mental upswing rn and i dont want to be cut out of this game early if priscila is just going to suicide bomb me

if she's willing to let me do shit this game though without cutting me short though i can accept her

I already said I had no intention of doing that.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

GBT is also probably scum ftr, their scumhunting shows no signs of struggling to actually read alignment.

struggling as in? i already have a set narrative in mind (like i ask questions with the intention of "i will find something to townread/scumread from this!") or that im not putting enough effort in? or something else??

like i legitimately do not understand like any of the scumreads on me but i also dont like the townreads of me (cabd and pa come to mind) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

i'm on a mental upswing rn and i dont want to be cut out of this game early if priscila is just going to suicide bomb me

if she's willing to let me do shit this game though without cutting me short though i can accept her

I already said I had no intention of doing that.

missed it then, i skimmed really fast because i hate being behind

[Priscila]

pedit: pris yeah thats the impression im getting with dan so far but i dont see the tactical purpose of pairing with the IC as scum which is whats making sorting him difficult for me

Obviously scum want to pair with confirmed town, they get a free ride all game.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

pedit: pris yeah thats the impression im getting with dan so far but i dont see the tactical purpose of pairing with the IC as scum which is whats making sorting him difficult for me

Obviously scum want to pair with confirmed town, they get a free ride all game.

then they dont get nightkilled and everyone gets paranoid of the pair and then town lynches a confirmed townie

it's a 1-for-1 trade and that always benefits town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like dan i was townreading pa earlier on but after thinking about that one read it completely changed the way i read her iso and it just looked a lot more flat to me

[Priscila]

There is only 1 nightkill and there is no 100% reason why it should be confirmed town if the pair is not strong. Confirmed town is the kill in most circumstnaces but just being confirmed town does not make it optimal for whatever gamestate scum want.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i dont think scum has ever not killed the conftown pair (and i think the ic has always paired with town) and i would expect it to make getting a lynch that much more difficult by getting rid of 2 potential scumreads

like the paranoia you can generate from not killing a t/t pairing with conftown in it isnt the same as what you can get from a t/s pairing staying alive since you can be more flexible in what narrative you pull together

\_O_/

i just dont really see the point. it's giving town more info in the long run too

[Priscila]

I do not even know what you are trying to argue sorry.

[Priscila]

Hebichan<->Vecna, Priscila<->GBT, Key/ActionDan<->Mint

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I do not even know what you are trying to argue sorry.

thats fine im not good at articulating myself sometimes

im sure someone more clearheaded than me can clarify

[gigabyteTroubadour]

mint are you ok pairing with keyen?

i'm absolutely positive he's flipping town here and if you need to talk to me about that read i'm all ears

[gigabyteTroubadour]

struggling as in? i already have a set narrative in mind (like i ask questions with the intention of "i will find something to townread/scumread from this!") or that im not putting enough effort in? or something else??

pris can you clarify your scumread of me though

[Priscila]

like the paranoia you can generate from not killing a t/t pairing with conftown in it isnt the same as what you can get from a t/s pairing staying alive since you can be more flexible in what narrative you pull together

\_O_/

i just dont really see the point. it's giving town more info in the long run too

Only scum know if the pair is v/v or v/w, how would it generate less or more paranoia? If the scum is townread it doesn't matter. What more info does it give town?

[Priscila]

pris can you clarify your scumread of me though

I don't know how beyond what I already said. You feel fake. I need more time with you.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

scum is giving town more flips to work with

shooting unconfirmed v/v gives town two flips it doesn't know already, while v/cv gives only one flip town doesn't know

even widely townread town are suspects in LYLO, and the less puzzle pieces scum gives town the better in most cases.

the more i think about this though the more i realize my argument is coming from a purely theoretical standpoint when context generally matters more so i'd rather let this wait for lylo/when the nk actually happens

pris can you clarify your scumread of me though

I don't know how beyond what I already said. You feel fake. I need more time with you.

ok - fair enough then.

[Priscila]

That makes sense.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

actually how would you feel about you/key hebi?

this would be in a world we leave out dan but i think this removes a lot of concerns thatve been held about him (too easily pocketed off the top of my head, i'm also concerned about him being lynched if we let him past pre-dance anyway even though i think he's shitting town sparkles???)

[Firebringer]

Leave Giga at the dance