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In post 1448, Alisae wrote:Wait.
Math is

globally townread

that's not right.

Hi Alisae you're town

And yeah...It's right because I am doing MU thingies...where I get townread as town and name like a billion scums in a row...It's fun! But if you like wanna make me not globally townread so I like live another day I would love that.

In post 1446, Alisae wrote:Like
Most cases are basicly pbpa analyzing a person's ISO.
Because of this, it takes completely out of context what that person is doing,
which makes sense because well, its an ISO. You can't grab context from an ISO.

Also cases make out things which aren't scummy at all, as scummy.
In fact, they try to make it seem like everything the target does, is in fact scummy.

I see this a lot with cases that cover a person's RVS posts on D5 and saying those are alignment indicative.
Like ffs, those posts were made in the RVS phase of the game. If people thought they were AI then it would have been pushed.
Like for example "Oh, this guy's post 5 is a naked vote and that's scummy"
The attempt to suddenly spin those posts around as scummy is disingenuous.

I don't want wall cases. I just want Mark to explain his opinions on slots without referencing other slots.

~Titus

In post 1450, OnTheMark wrote:

In post 1448, Alisae wrote:Wait.
Math is

globally townread

that's not right.

Hi Alisae you're town

And yeah...It's right because I am doing MU thingies...where I get townread as town and name like a billion scums in a row...It's fun! But if you like wanna make me not globally townread so I like live another day I would love that.

Its not that its just I respect your ability to wolf so having read none of your ISO at all I am kinda concerned because considering your MS rep I expect a lot more resistence and people to be pulling their hair out when trying to work with you?
Again, I haven't actually played with town you in awhile though so this impression might have changed.

In post 1451, Bronya Zaychik wrote:

In post 1446, Alisae wrote:Like
Most cases are basicly pbpa analyzing a person's ISO.
Because of this, it takes completely out of context what that person is doing,
which makes sense because well, its an ISO. You can't grab context from an ISO.

Also cases make out things which aren't scummy at all, as scummy.
In fact, they try to make it seem like everything the target does, is in fact scummy.

I see this a lot with cases that cover a person's RVS posts on D5 and saying those are alignment indicative.
Like ffs, those posts were made in the RVS phase of the game. If people thought they were AI then it would have been pushed.
Like for example "Oh, this guy's post 5 is a naked vote and that's scummy"
The attempt to suddenly spin those posts around as scummy is disingenuous.

I don't want wall cases. I just want Mark to explain his opinions on slots without referencing other slots.

~Titus

But it's like mafia? How do I reference things without context? *looks at Titus with a puzzled look and raised eyebrow*


Pedit: It's why I went on MU to try some new stuffs.

A good chunk of the thread doesn't TR Mark.

~B

Far as I know it's only Sky who doesn't and Sky is just omgusing and scum flail soooo.....Pretty sure I am universally townread lolz

In post 1302, OnTheMark wrote:

In post 1301, Alisae wrote:If anyone wants to be a dear tho and give me a brief summary of important things I should know then that would be nice :3

I will be a dude for ya late tonight!

MAAAAAAAAAAAATH

In post 1456, Alisae wrote:

In post 1302, OnTheMark wrote:

In post 1301, Alisae wrote:If anyone wants to be a dear tho and give me a brief summary of important things I should know then that would be nice :3

I will be a dude for ya late tonight!

MAAAAAAAAAAAATH

Yes it's late tonight I'm doing the case promised first then your summary

We are pulling our hair out trying to work with OTM.

They haven't done things that make me, for example, suspect them, but they're definitely not playing in a fashion that makes it likely they'll wield any influence anytime soon.

Titus wants thoughts sans associatives, I want a succinct case on Skybird so I can try to understand what OTM sees.

-Cerb

- Who did you think OTM was before they came out as MathBlade?

In post 1457, OnTheMark wrote:

In post 1456, Alisae wrote:

In post 1302, OnTheMark wrote:

In post 1301, Alisae wrote:If anyone wants to be a dear tho and give me a brief summary of important things I should know then that would be nice :3

I will be a dude for ya late tonight!

MAAAAAAAAAAAATH

Yes it's late tonight I'm doing the case promised first then your summary

ty <3

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In post 1458, Reasonably Rational wrote:We are pulling our hair out trying to work with OTM.

They haven't done things that make me, for example, suspect them, but they're definitely not playing in a fashion that makes it likely they'll wield any influence anytime soon.

Titus wants thoughts sans associatives, I want a succinct case on Skybird so I can try to understand what OTM sees.

-Cerb

Classic.

It is true though that you might be the common thread among all those who have posted explicit town reads.

-Cerb

In post 1458, Reasonably Rational wrote:We are pulling our hair out trying to work with OTM.

They haven't done things that make me, for example, suspect them, but they're definitely not playing in a fashion that makes it likely they'll wield any influence anytime soon.

Titus wants thoughts sans associatives, I want a succinct case on Skybird so I can try to understand what OTM sees.

-Cerb

And what do ya know? It's the second time that you and Titus have poked me despite me saying I'm working on it. It feels like you're eager to just chomp it at the bit rather than patiently waiting for me to be done. It feels like you want to get it over with.

Umm.

That post wasn't directed at you OTM. It was clarifying the situaton for Alisae.

-Cerb

So, please don't feel any pressure. I'll be happy reading up on what you have to say tomorrow as much as tonight.

-Cerb

In post 1438, Reasonably Rational wrote:Any significant conclusions you've reached so far?

-Cerb

I moved Chara, Mark, Venmar, you out of my lynch pool pretty early.

MC throws me off because beeboy seems way off playstyle/personality, and I’m not sure if it’s me only seeing him in discussion not actual games.

Alisae looks more town than Taly but I’m weary of the entrance because Town read close friend, sheep their scum read and turn away interaction is a pretty convienent entrance.

I’ve got a huge pile of people to sort still and it starts with catching up on stuff I skimmed.

Notice how here in 243 Skybird doesn't actually follow up. She asks a question then doesn't ask another question to sort the slot or do anything with it. It's more like just noise. This 'inactivity'/'inopinion'/'no stances' will be a common theme.

In post 260 Skybird again asks another inactive question, seemingly trying to encourage people to get into the issues that beeboy and I were having earlier without actually investing anything in there. She feels like one of us is scum but doesn't actually follow it up in any sort of way. It looks like it's more designed to try egg people into the Beeboy/me discussion.
In 323 Skybird sarcastically comments that she has the worst post in the game, but then doesn't do a damn thing to hunt or otherwise. The closest thing towards a read from Skybird is a guess, but she has shown no interest in exploring it or anything. Between this and the inactivity, I wanted to see Skybird develop the read.

In 364 they finally justify a read and it's for updating a signature line upon request. About the most null of things as one can get. Now while I understand one CAN townread someone for very little (e.g. what I mentioned before) I'd want something else to complement that person's ISO. In other words, the townread of Dunnstral is accompanied with a lot of other things to read the slot. In this case Skybird has nothing.

381 has very little in terms of hunting. Again, Skybird comes out votes blazing. This time Skybird attacks Venmar for wanting powers. However she attack On the Maid for the same thing, despite the prior scumread of Maid. If anything this wouldn't cause them to change votes to Venmar but would strengthen their case on Maid. The switch here reads as very inauthentic.


471 Steps back the ONE authentic read saying it's not really AI but it's gut. In other words, you caught me fabricating a reason for my read so I'm going to say gut.

513 is an attack on Venmar that again she doesn't follow up on.

669 backs out of her read of one of me and Maid being scum saying that we both might be.

689 Then goes back to "Oh yeah there was something bad in that argument" simply based on being asked what her position is on me. Her position on me or any other slot shouldn't end with a vote on Maid Cafe. If she was genuinely pushing Maid she'd be like putting effort in. Right now Skybird is pretty empty.

780 Reasons Reasons Reasons

1059 What's really bad about the post that Skybird cited is that it potentially outs a vig if we have one. This is barely the semblance of a case, then again I know where she stands on literallly NO one else.

1230 Pleads for me to push MC if she's town. If she's town I'd consider it but it's surely not on anything Sky has done.

Find me an opinion on anyone other than MC in her entire ISO that she hasn't backed away from and she still has even backed away from that. IMHO her ISO is worse than Dunnstral's and Dunnstral only has two letters. Now let's contrast this to a town game....

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=24218

There's a short towngame of Skybird's. 8 posts. Notice how many questions she asks of people. And one of them is a GG post. There's genuine investigation there.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=24218

Scum game of Skybird's. Noticably devoid of questions. She does do a bit more in reads than she does here, but it's still more just declaratives. I kinda have a rule for Skybird. If the questions aren't flying out of her mouth enough to make her fly she's probably scum.

I was with you until you used an 8 post game to represent sky birds town meta. That just can’t be a good place to pull from right?

In post 1469, Micc wrote:I was with you until you used an 8 post game to represent sky birds town meta. That just can’t be a good place to pull from right?

It's one of the shorter ones. It's why I pulled it. I can go get a different one. I just figured 8 posts was easier to read And would get more buy in.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=24218

There's a longer one for your tastes Micc. Thing mafia

Alisae here's your summary gorgeous

Mastina mentioned some weird vote thing, Chara claims miller, Beeboy poked at me for what I don't get, more people claimed things, people tried sorting that, People suggest using Taly on Chara, Chara rescinds miller, beeboy complains and begs for mana some more and gets it. Despite my objections that this is a bad idea. and then you replace in and stuff happens happens.

There's all sorts of posts in between that cause me to scumread a lot of people but mainly I have a list of people who I would vote and a list of those I wouldn't.

My 10 seconds per post skim didn’t pick up a difference between how often she was interacting by asking questions. But I see the stuff from this game and it makes sense to me.

are you explicitly scum reading beeboy? I don’t really like his approach either but I’m having a hard time putting scum motivation to it. And I guess do you have meta thoughts on him. I don’t know why I’m so thrown off by his playstyle here but I’ve never played with him so maybe I just have the wrong expectation.

I am not explicitly scumreading beeboy/Maki hydra.

They have done things that ping me as scummy but at the same time scummy doesn’t always equal scum and the interactions don’t really support beeboy scum. I wish beeboy was scum that would make things easier because then some of the early weirdness is explained.

However they aren’t anywhere near lock town either. They are on my worry later pile.