Mini Normal 2118: Boon Gets Pretentious - [Day 4]

Hectic · Post Post #1450 (ISO) » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:05 am

Remind me again why you scumread,Aaron? If you've given a case before, could you link it please? Also, could you give an ordered reads list like I did earlier?

Hectic · Post Post #1451 (ISO) » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:06 am

In post 1446, clidd wrote:
In post 1443, Hectic wrote:He replaced out 3 times in his last 4 games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=82026
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81277
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81747

he was scum in 1, town in 2.
Hum, so my emotional argument has no absolute validity.

Yup, I've been saying this for a while

Karnage · Post Post #1452 (ISO) » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:07 am

In post 1429, Hectic wrote:Karnage, give me some thoughts please. You've had no reaction to your top scumread flipping town. Like, what's changed for you?

You said this earlier: Ame > Dsjstr > AaronFrost > Hectic = clidd

Is this still the case with Ame cut out, and then why Doro next?

I think dsjstr=scum is the most likely solve right now. its more like a coin toss between aaron and clidd now

Hectic · Post Post #1453 (ISO) » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:09 am

In post 1378, Ame wrote:
In post 1325, AaronFrost wrote:- insomnia pressured myself and Ame early on. I think in a setup with no daychat, it's possible that scum would fake pressure on their partner if they disapproved of their posting. This is something that should be discussed imo.
- He later turned the reads on both of us into townreads. Read into this how you will, but I'm trying to figure scum!somni's motivation for turning his reads around like that. I think he was trying to pocket me, but could his turn around on Ame indicate partnership?
This is real bad. Dang I misread both Somni and Aaron this game and fought Luca over it xD? Thank god Luca was so persistent.

Why on earth do you think you and insomnia being potential buddies is "something that should be talked about"
And then you think somnis motivation for his switch could be indicative of his partner when you know it's not the case with yourself?

In post 1392, Ame wrote:That doesn't hold up. From a town Aaron point of view, there is no value in everyone discussing the idea that the way Insomnia treated you could indicate you're buddies.

Exactly, you know your alignment, but you're speculating that Insomnia's actions could point to scumYou.

I think you're trying to play the part of the objective townie who isn't afraid to be talked about, but if you were town what you're saying wouldn't make any sense.

In post 1395, Ame wrote:Again, as a preemptive defense. I think you were self aware of it and wanted get ahead of it by being objective to induce the thought "Aaron is being open about this, therefore it must not be the case."

You know your alignment and I'm your strongest town read, but somehow you thought people should look into the possibility that Somni's interaction with us was partner indicative. This simply doesn't hold up as a townAaron PoV.

In post 1396, Ame wrote:You know your alignment so you should know the theory that Somni-making-a-push-then-reversing-his-read = partner is wrong.

As scum, however, you know that it isn't wrong and therefore felt you should get ahead of it.

Oh, I forgot about this lul. AaronFF, can you address 1395 and 1396? I agree with Ame that I don't get why you bring something up which has no use to you if you're town, but only helps others consider you as scum. Feels like you're being too open and looking like you're trying to consider all scenarios.

Hectic · Post Post #1454 (ISO) » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:13 am

In post 1452, Karnage wrote:
In post 1429, Hectic wrote:Karnage, give me some thoughts please. You've had no reaction to your top scumread flipping town. Like, what's changed for you?

You said this earlier: Ame > Dsjstr > AaronFrost > Hectic = clidd

Is this still the case with Ame cut out, and then why Doro next?
I think dsjstr=scum is the most likely solve right now. its more like a coin toss between aaron and clidd now

Can you point to where you think Doro's confusion about the neighbours not being all town is fake? I'm struggling to see why he takes that approach as scum

clidd · Post Post #1455 (ISO) » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:14 am

In post 1082, clidd wrote:Im thinking.

In post 1083, clidd wrote:What if Aaron was not framed by insomnia ?

In post 1084, clidd wrote:I'm overthinking too much about how voracious Insomnia defended him. But, definitely, he would seem extremely suspicious with the argument against Luca, so even if Luca was lynched, Insomnia would be linked to Aaron the next day, so it would be quicker to conclude that the two were partners. This scenario would not make sense, considering the motivation of the deathtunnel was to distort possible reads about Aaron from then on.

In post 1137, clidd wrote:It may be strange, but I would say that the latest
scum
, considering all my current impressions, would no longer point to
Dsj
, but to
AaronFrost
.

In post 1241, clidd wrote:My intuition says that Aaron is scum, considering that the 4 of us engaged here today and he just disappeared 5 or 6 pages ago.

In post 1278, clidd wrote:Still .. Ame being
scum
still doesn't get into my head. Aaron being AFK in this game in the last pages would agree with my theory of him being
scum
.

What I feel for Aaron is a departure from this second stage of the game, so I intuitively put him as a scum, if Dsj is town.

dsjstr · Post Post #1456 (ISO) » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:27 am

In post 1422, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 1376, dsjstr wrote:Looking at the neighbor PT it really looked like Ame was trying to pocket me.
I want dsj to explain this further because him and Ame only had the pregame, and then Night 1 to talk to each other because there's no daytalk. So unless he's an encrypter, I'm not sure I buy this.

It was twilight and Ame would have said if I was wrong.

I am regular neighbor and how do we know there is not a mafia cop?

dsjstr · Post Post #1457 (ISO) » Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:36 am

Since everyone claimed VT we have 4 VT's and a neighbor?

Pretentious · Post Post #1458 (ISO) » Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:16 pm

Vote Count 3.02

Lord of the Rings > Game of Thrones

AaronFrost

(1): Clidd

Not Voting

(4): Dsjstr, AaronFrost, Hectic, Karnage

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-03-06 14:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Don’t be outta pocket.

dsjstr · Post Post #1459 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:19 am

I think it is aaron or karnage

dsjstr · Post Post #1460 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:19 am

I would be very surprised if it is Hectic

Karnage · Post Post #1461 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:47 am

In post 1456, dsjstr wrote: I am regular neighbor and
how do we know there is not a mafia cop?

where does this come from?

dsjstr · Post Post #1462 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:32 am

In post 1418, AaronFrost wrote:Like how likely is it that we have two town masons and two town neighbors? Scum would have to have like a PT cop or a traffic analyst to counter that.

dsj are you just a town neighbor or are you something else on top of that?

AaronFrost · Post Post #1463 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:22 am

In post 1427, Hectic wrote:I think most games I've played with neighbourhoods have scum in them. I just believe Doro's townslip though. I mean, do you actually think that scum!Doro goes for the route where he pretends to think his neighbourhood was equivalent to a masonry? Maybe if insomnia coaches him to, but since they don't have daychat that's impossible.

Where was this "townslip"?

AaronFrost · Post Post #1464 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:24 am

In post 1443, Hectic wrote:He replaced out 3 times in his last 4 games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=82026
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81277
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81747

he was scum in 1, town in 2.

Since the other game is over I can mention this, he subbed out of a game I was modding about the same time he subbed out of this game, seems like he's siteflaked. It's NAI.

AaronFrost · Post Post #1465 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:26 am

In post 1449, clidd wrote:This whole chaotic scenario, to me, makes sense if we were all towns arguing while Aaron sits watching the "fight", to see what direction it will take.

Can we stop pretending that activity is an indicator of alignment? I've been busy and real life comes before mafia. I've also been plenty active, especially Day 1.

Like by this logic, why would I be actively participating in the discussion with Luca/insomnia/Ame on the first day?

AaronFrost · Post Post #1466 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:29 am

In post 1453, Hectic wrote:Oh, I forgot about this lul. AaronFF, can you address 1395 and 1396? I agree with Ame that I don't get why you bring something up which has no use to you if you're town, but only helps others consider you as scum. Feels like you're being too open and looking like you're trying to consider all scenarios.

Yeah you just kinda answered your own question HecticMFHectic. I was trying to consider every angle and find out what the most likely scenario is. I even mentioned that is wasn't likely and was upset when Ame got lynched while I was catching up.

AaronFrost · Post Post #1467 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:31 am

In post 1456, dsjstr wrote:It was twilight and Ame would have said if I was wrong.

I am regular neighbor and how do we know there is not a mafia cop?

No, she wouldn't have been able to, because you don't have daytalk.

We don't know there's a mafia cop, mafia could have a PT cop or a traffic analyst if you're town.

AaronFrost · Post Post #1468 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:31 am

Hey HecticMFHectic, talk to me about this.

In post 1418, AaronFrost wrote:Like how likely is it that we have two town masons and two town neighbors? Scum would have to have like a PT cop or a traffic analyst to counter that.

dsj are you just a town neighbor or are you something else on top of that?

clidd · Post Post #1469 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:41 am

In post 1465, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 1449, clidd wrote:This whole chaotic scenario, to me, makes sense if we were all towns arguing while Aaron sits watching the "fight", to see what direction it will take.
Can we stop pretending that activity is an indicator of alignment? I've been busy and real life comes before mafia. I've also been plenty active, especially Day 1.

Like by this logic, why would I be actively participating in the discussion with Luca/insomnia/Ame on the first day?

VOTE: AaronFrost

AaronFrost · Post Post #1470 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:43 am

Good answer

clidd · Post Post #1471 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:47 am

Can you admit it at once ? the timelines of today and yesterday are totally different.

dsjstr · Post Post #1472 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:48 am

In post 1456, dsjstr wrote:
In post 1422, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 1376, dsjstr wrote:Looking at the neighbor PT it really looked like Ame was trying to pocket me.
I want dsj to explain this further because him and Ame only had the pregame, and then Night 1 to talk to each other because there's no daytalk. So unless he's an encrypter, I'm not sure I buy this.
It was twilight and Ame would have said if I was wrong.

I am regular neighbor and how do we know there is not a mafia cop?

In post 1467, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 1456, dsjstr wrote:It was twilight and Ame would have said if I was wrong.

I am regular neighbor and how do we know there is not a mafia cop?
No, she wouldn't have been able to, because you don't have daytalk.

We don't know there's a mafia cop, mafia could have a PT cop or a traffic analyst if you're town.

We could not talk during pre game we only had N1.

But during twilight she could have denied that it looked like she was trying to pocket me but she did not, as town wouldn't she want to say something in order to help the town?

dsjstr · Post Post #1473 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:48 am

It just looked like she was trying to pocket me so she did not disagree.

AaronFrost · Post Post #1474 (ISO) » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:49 am

In post 1471, clidd wrote:Can you admit it at once ? the timelines of today and yesterday are totally different.

Not sure what you want me to admit?