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In post 1447, clidd wrote:Jesus, I have the hammer.

Please do not hammer I am in the middle of writing a long post and would like to allow people to think it over regardless of how you vote during the night phase.


Also false Kirari, My vote on 3b I beleive came before you reached l-1 and is just wrongly placed. I voted him yesterday i believe.

Cli2d Ill respond about the meta later. TLDR: I was merely remarking about the differences in how we view his meta which is more of a remark about my general feelings of meta which is that it is subjective and not as set in stone as some make it out to see.

Back to work

In post 1450, HoldenGolden wrote:

In post 1447, clidd wrote:Jesus, I have the hammer.

Please do not hammer I am in the middle of writing a long post and would like to allow people to think it over regardless of how you vote during the night phase.


Also false Kirari, My vote on 3b I beleive came before you reached l-1 and is just wrongly placed. I voted him yesterday i believe.

Cli2d Ill respond about the meta later. TLDR: I was merely remarking about the differences in how we view his meta which is more of a remark about my general feelings of meta which is that it is subjective and not as set in stone as some make it out to see.

Back to work

Ok.

In post 1451, Kirari Momobami wrote:UNVOTE:

This was obviously not necessary.

In post 1436, clidd wrote:I would appreciate a flash-lynch on 3bounty for the way he interpreted his read on Holden. I still don't understand how from a town perspective he doesn't notice Holden's effort on D2.

However, Luciano is deadly serious about this lynch. He claimed to increase the strength of what he wanted to suggest. Jesus.

I mean there are strong reasons to believe that certain part of Kirari's play come from scum motive. Her FPS day 1 included fake claiming both cop and mason. I know that we're in 2A. Mafia knew we were in A. Both cop and mason are in A. It makes sense to bait reactions within A. Day 2 she made that post saying she thought the jailkeeper hit the friendly neighbor. This is a problematic post for two reasons, (1) mafia knows at that point we're in 2A. Tracker knows there's no friendly neighbor. If the tracker heavily denies Kirari's theory, which is baseless to begin with, they've outed themselves. Consistently throughout the game Kirari was baiting reactions from TPR. (2) InWho's statement that Kirari hammering would be bad pretty much confirms InWho targeted Kirari N1. Kirari knows that. When Kirari makes the post claiming that JK hit FN, they are either softing TPR, or making that statement in utter bad faith. Either way, if Kirari flips green, I don't feel any responsibility for a loss after that series of plays. She's either scum, or she tried her hardest to cosplay scum.

No but I did think it was kinda funny

If Kirari is red, we lynch between Holden and Clidd and I think we win with that. If Kirari is green, lol, but we lynch Monkey.

In post 1449, LuckyLuciano wrote:

In post 1403, humaneatingmonkey wrote:

In post 1400, clidd wrote:I feel that I am in the middle of the crossfire, not knowing for sure who is an ally and who is an enemy. All I hear is the sound of gunfire echoing in the eerie smoke that enveloped the battlefield. Without visual guidance, I need to deduce which way I am going, using only the sound interpretation of the shooting pattern to distinguish which side is correct.

it's a question on whether or not you're willing to lock kirari as town right now instead of later. if day 3 we have thoughts that kirari can be town

kirari makes sense as town because of the gamestate that surrounded her. my only concern is that there could be a scum!kirari explanation that the day progressed at it did. LL has provided explanation, which I haven't really started thinking about. i'll start there later.

In post 1404, humaneatingmonkey wrote:EBWOP: if day 3 we have thoughts that kirari can be scum, it's gonna be dangerous then.

Was that a slip?

It's hard to say, he's making assumptions based on the impressions around the wagon. Perhaps he regards my concern about the possibility of her being town.

No, I meant a presence of mind slip. I'm leaning towards no, it's not a slip, mostly because the statement in the first post is incomplete anyway, and could express the same thought with different words if completed.

In post 1456, LuckyLuciano wrote:If Kirari is red, we lynch between Holden and Clidd and I think we win with that. If Kirari is green, lol, but we lynch Monkey.

If Kirari is scum, you guys lynch me D3 and I'm deciding the lynch D4, if she got hammered today.

I am confident that I can correctly guess who is the last scum in this scenario. ^

In post 1454, LuckyLuciano wrote:Her FPS day 1 included fake claiming both cop and mason. I know that we're in 2A. Mafia knew we were in A. Both cop and mason are in A. It makes sense to bait reactions within A. Day 2 she made that post saying she thought the jailkeeper hit the friendly neighbor. This is a problematic post for two reasons, (1) mafia knows at that point we're in 2A. Tracker knows there's no friendly neighbor. If the tracker heavily denies Kirari's theory, which is baseless to begin with, they've outed themselves. Consistently throughout the game Kirari was baiting reactions from TPR. (2) InWho's statement that Kirari hammering would be bad pretty much confirms InWho targeted Kirari N1. Kirari knows that. When Kirari makes the post claiming that JK hit FN, they are either softing TPR, or making that statement in utter bad faith. Either way, if Kirari flips green, I don't feel any responsibility for a loss after that series of plays. She's either scum, or she tried her hardest to cosplay scum.

Fakeclaims and joke claims are different
No one else "knows" we're in 2A while you are alive
Cop and mason are typical joke-claims and it makes no sense to joke-claim anything else
I didn't actually say I "thought" that happened, I said that would be typical with this game being as stupidly difficult as possible which you thankfully ponied up to follow through on
The friendly neighbor post was pure cynicism that reflected my thought that clidd was doing nothing and he had softed being the PR which meant the PR had nothing and no one was hard claiming clidd as town or softing receiving anything useful, so either clidd was tracker with no result or a FN who had vended to the dead
InWho is not guaranteed to have targeted me and I would not know that if I was scum
I don't know who InWho targeted but I am a fine target given I'm just a VT
Being cynical is not the same thing as making a point in "bad faith"
You're playing gross and you repeating the same points after they've been refuted multiple times about my play strongly suggests you are either scumsiding or scum

I mean if you listen to the things Lucky is saying this game, they are just frankly so wildly bad-faith and so many galaxies away from the truth that he really should just be scum. I don't really think a newbie approaches their first scum game on site in this manner but like, I have played with Lucky as town and he is capable of thought processes and critical thinking that he has not exhibited this game at all

We really actually could just be in C. When someone is doing stuff that is anti-town, that claims for *no reason*, that hyper-tunnels and insults people about their play and starts talking about post-game *they are sometimes just scum*

I kinda don't believe it but the more he keeps this up the easier it becomes to believe. *Town continues thinking about this game* and Lucky's brain is switched to off right now.

In post 1455, Kirari Momobami wrote:No but I did think it was kinda funny

I took it as an insult.

why would that be a slip?

i also want the opportunity to make a long post so i can make up for my absence. no hammers please.

I mean, once the flip happens we can re-evaluate more confidently, since you guys didn't want to all-in today on the player who spent the entirety of D1 and beginning of D2 trying their hardest to find and out TPRs.

I think I can convince myself that Lucky is just scum this game to prevent myself from having to insult him even more, even though I blacklist him regardless of his alignment after this game.

In post 1462, clidd wrote:

In post 1455, Kirari Momobami wrote:No but I did think it was kinda funny

I took it as an insult.

why?

That's what people should do when people ask for time

In post 1464, LuckyLuciano wrote:I mean, once the flip happens we can re-evaluate more confidently, since you guys didn't want to all-in today on the player who spent the entirety of D1 and beginning of D2 trying their hardest to find and out TPRs.

I believe the person who has successfully outed the most TPRs is YOU.

You outed 100% of the living TPRs on day 2.

Stop blaming me for YOU THROWING THE GAME

@Monkey, I was thinking along the lines of how when fabricating a story sometimes as scum players make true statements instead of what their story would propose, because the truth is more present at mind. I don't think it applies to your post though.

In post 1466, Kirari Momobami wrote:

In post 1462, clidd wrote:

In post 1455, Kirari Momobami wrote:No but I did think it was kinda funny

I took it as an insult.

why?

That's what people should do when people ask for time

I'm kidding, I did think it was kinda funny your unvote.

In post 1444, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:

Votecount 2.09

Kirari Momobami (3)

- Yooh, 3bounty, LuckyLuciano

3bounty (3)

- humaneatingmonkey, Kirari Momobami, HoldenGolden

Not Voting (1)

- Clidd,

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-26 09:10:00)

Im thinking about the previous scenario. I had hammer, so both scums were voting. Where are they ?

No one was saying you were tpr Lucky. Not a single person.

InWho was a UTR that was shading me at End of Day. His kill almost certainly had *nothing to do* with people thinking he was a TPR, and the only people saying that have a decent chance of actually being scum explaining why they killed him.

*This dayphase was Yooh hardclaiming for no reason and you hardclaiming for no reason to PUSH A LYNCH

ON THE LEAST LIKELY SLOT

TO BE SCUM

IN THE WHOLE GAME

FROM EVERY SINGLE METRIC:

-Play
-Activity
-Polarity
-Effort
-Meta
-Mech
-VCA
-Associatives

NONE of those metrics point to be as scum unless you are *INCAPABLE* of understanding jokes -- the ONLY reason you are pushing me is because of a post where I claimed masons with SEVEN PEOPLE and you call that a "fakeclaim" you HAVE GOT to be kidding me

I really wish you are scum this game because this is totally unacceptable as town. Completely, totally off-the-wall not ok.

Can someone come in and tell me that Lucky might actually be scum this game

I really want to just lynch him

I am willing to believe we are in a world of C. I have played with Lucky and I refuse to believe the Lucky from Hungarian is this same Lucky, it's like night and day

He's real, I know how he plays. He doesn't have balls to fakeclaim like that as scum, lol.

He never even answered my question about his crumb

WHY is no one asking about his crumb? It is a terrible crumb that has nothing to do with tracking