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In post 1447, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ok.

now I'm pretty sure you are like a good mechanical player.

Why does it make any sense to target a informed townie who knows of your innocence with a loverizer ability? If he's town, you are just decreasing town EV and giving the scum an extra cycle since we went into night on evens.

If he's actually informed of your innocence - then it makes no sense to target him since the benefit of a successful link (you becoming IC) is um, kind of pointless? He's already informed of your innocence, wouldn't it be easier to just ask him to claim ?

I wasn't going to out it or anything.

I don't want to target someone who's claimed it. That would have put a direct target on our back.

I also don't make the best mechanical choices because I simply don't care about PR's. I focus on day play.

In post 1449, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Like you understand I have a lot of respect for you as a player right? You are mechanically very strong and I think you understand how to think through each role.

The reason I am really doubting you here is because I think you made this up and didn't think it through. If this is your actual role I expect you to be weighing the benefits of actually linking and deciding mechanically it would be quite stupid to actually link because like there is almost nothing to gain and a lot of downside.

I disagree. I said he was informed I was town, that doesn't necessarily make him town. Scum him could have been informed I was an IC.

In the scenario where Uncrowned is an Informed Townie that knows of your innocence.

The best thing for the town is for him to claim that and you to not link with him.

It is by far better than you getting linked and becoming an IC.

So that's why I don't understand why you would target him with your ability at night instead of just straight up asking him : "dude are you informed that I am town?"

In post 1449, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:weighing the benefits

you saw my posts in Pooky vs FL, right? I planned out stuff that happened on Day 3 pre game. Most of the issues were the team just didn't wanna discredit where it was necessary early.

In post 1452, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In the scenario where Uncrowned is an Informed Townie that knows of your innocence.

The best thing for the town is for him to claim that and you to not link with him.

It is by far better than you getting linked and becoming an IC.

So that's why I don't understand why you would target him with your ability at night instead of just straight up asking him : "dude are you informed that I am town?"

I didn't say Informed townie.

In post 1451, Ahsoka wrote:I disagree. I said he was informed I was town, that doesn't necessarily make him town. Scum him could have been informed I was an IC.

but um you are not an IC.

and scum are by default informed who the townsfolk are lol.

In post 1455, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 1451, Ahsoka wrote:I disagree. I said he was informed I was town, that doesn't necessarily make him town. Scum him could have been informed I was an IC.

but um you are not an IC.

and scum are by default informed who the townsfolk are lol.

I have an IC ability. I am an IC, not having the ability to do so doesn't change my role.

And that's literally what I said, Pooky. I thought he was informed that I was town. Him being scum is him being informed I was town.

I didn't think he was town for it Day 1.

You are misrepping me.

In post 1456, Ahsoka wrote:I didn't think he was town for it Day 1.

I did think he was slightly lean town, but I actively think scum are in my town reads in Day 1.

Ilicit Substances, my town block had 2 scum in them. I caught one Day 2, the other Day 3.

I've stated my reasoning for:

A) I don't believe your role makes sense in this setup.
B) I don't believe you would play your role this way if you had this role.

I'm not sure what you think I am mis-repping?

I think you think I put more effort into the mechanical side of things than I do.

I'm actually the type that sees crazy mechanics in games, then click away.

That's a major reason I don't play many Open games. I'm like almost strictly Large Theme games that are relatively normal Mafia. My games I mod show this. I can do large setups and wacky roles, and balance them.

I'm good with setup specs, and late game I can solve using mechanical stuff, but generally, I only think about that type of stuff when I'm scum.

In post 1459, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I've stated my reasoning for:

A) I don't believe your role makes sense in this setup.
B) I don't believe you would play your role this way if you had this role.

I'm not sure what you think I am mis-repping?

you were acting like I was calling Uncrowned town because I said he was informed I was town. Scum him is informed.

Well, you're wrong. I don't know what to say. You're wrong. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it's not happening, but go ahead and misfade me again.

You also came here and essentially tagged in for Clidd.

So like, yes, I think you two are actively trying to work me up.

In post 1459, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:B) I don't believe you would play your role this way if you had this role.

This is literally the same thing Clidd pushed me for, but with the reasoning for pushing them as scum, which I wasn't even 100% pushing them or anything at the time.

Like sorry, you guys don't know how I play. You've seen me play for less than 6 months.

Alisae's only now getting to understand how I work, and I've literally met them in person, and we've been on site together for years.

For what it's worth, your case is better than Clidd's.

I'm just getting worked up from no 2 1v1's.

I took a second, and I don't think you both are scum.

In post 1449, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:The reason I am really doubting you here is because I think you made this up

and didn't think it through

.

Like when does this ever happen if I was scum.

yeah, this is decently true for town me, but like, I'm telling the truth here.

I'm not fake claiming as town. I haven't done that in a while.

But honestly, it's about time it comes back. People have been really bad at reading me lately, and I got misfaded more in 2020 than I have like in any other year.

I went years without getting misfaded, but that doesn't happen anymore because my scum game is so known now. Kinda sucks. Flavor Fever is real. I know it sucks to hear that, but like, it is.

Used to be only a few people had it. RC, RB, a lot of playstyle clash players. Mastina has it still.

Players who've only seen me the past 6 months have it hard.

Like I'm actually really annoyed with some of those misfades because I went on a large scum roll spree again. Happens like twice a year.

Pooky, you saw me fail a mech solve recently with you as scum, and I vig shot obv town the 2nd vig shot.

In post 1461, Ahsoka wrote:you were acting like I was calling Uncrowned town because I said he was informed I was town. Scum him is informed.

Well, you're wrong. I don't know what to say. You're wrong. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it's not happening, but go ahead and misfade me again.

No that's not what I am saying about Uncrowned.


I'm saying that your thought process for targeting Uncrowned does not make a lot of sense to me.. that has nothing to do with whether Uncrowned is a townie or is a scum.

Specifically this exchange:

1433 why did you even target uncrowned in the first place?
1435 I thought they might be aware of me, and was possibly signaling me.
1436 which post indicated signalling to you?
1437 they've had me at lock town all game. I felt like maybe they were informed that I was town.


The reason I ask this series of questions is because I am looking for if you actually had this role in the beginning of the game and it's not just something you made up just now. The way I am trying to verify is to see if you were looking for breadcrumbs or signalling from your Night 1 target.

I am disappointed with your responses because instead of producing a post which sends a clear signal or is something that would make sense, you hypothesize that his role is one that is informed of both your identity and your role - this is something that does not make sense to me for two reasons:

1) It is pointless for an IC-loverizer to link with an Informed Townie - you increase the negative EV for the town while not gaining anything really since the player was already informed to be a protown player.

2) It's not clear to me you were actually looking for a lover crumb to begin with since you did not produce one that makes sense from Uncrowned.

the reason (2) is especially an issue for me is because I made this post as my first post:




Now I don't know how you could possibly have your role, read that post, and not target me at night if you actually wanted to link.

Like if I had your role, I would be actively looking for lover crumbs and my first post isn't so much as a crumb as a giant shining spotlight.

So for you to like read that, and not think hey Pooky is the target, just doesn't make sense to me. Hence I don't think you actually have your role.

In post 1468, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm saying that your thought process for targeting Uncrowned does not make a lot of sense to me.. that has nothing to do with whether Uncrowned is a townie or is a scum.

that's because I fluffed it up because you needed an answer. I just didn't think about it more than that base, the rest was kind of subconscious.

I basically went "Meh, ill target uncrowned" and left it.

In post 1468, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Informed Townie

Stop.

Like stop.

I never said informed townie.

In post 1468, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ow I don't know how you could possibly have your role, read that post, and not target me at night if you actually wanted to link.

I don't read the game as town.

I overread the game as scum.

Which do you think this is.

I think you think I care way more than I do right now.

In post 1468, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:It's not clear to me you were actually looking for a lover crumb to begin with since you did not produce one that makes sense from Uncrowned.

I never said I was looking for lover crumbs.

I said I targeted them because of that.

You are putting words in my mouth that aren't there.

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